Our poor frontier

[Ceryseth]

Well after an evening of only 2fg of us defending our frontiers only our keep(The Brethren) and ASQ keep standing
I asked lots of ppl but no one gives a **** about our frontier and thats sad guys

 

[Ceryseth]

Well only our keep left lol
We seem to be only true albions

 

[Theodoric]

.... we attacked Renaris earlier today gotta say lots of albs came fairly fast and seemed quiet co-ordinated .Was a nice defence from them

 

[Ceryseth]

Yeah end of night plenty of albs have turned up

 

[Kagato]

Yup cause theres soooo much in our frontier worth defending. If you enjoy keep sieges, best of luck to you, I hope you have a blast, but don't try making other people feel bad because they don't enjoy keep sieges if theres no relics theres no responsibility apart from what you want.

 

[Crimson LoneWolf]

I dont agree tbh. I can see several reasons why its worth defending and controlling our own keeps.

- to piss off hibs/mids that want to have control of DF.
- to have control of DF as an extra place to do odd RvR, PvE'ing, or just as an extra spice among the available places to chose from.
- to have the extra practise for new people on how to defend properly in case we one day will have a relic to defend
- to get to know our own frontier
- to send a message to mids/hibs about who owns our own frontier
- for morale

i can think of a few other reasons as well, although quite a few of those mentioned above will change with NF. but NF aint here yet, and probably not for another few months.

 

[Silmarwen]

There's little to no reward on taking our keeps atm, don't even try to compare NF with now... in nf we get rp and exp bonus everywhere just for olding a keep, now you get exp bonus at a really small range around your keep, and most keeps don't even have decent mob camps nearby

 

[Moona]

I dont agree tbh. I can see several reasons why its worth defending and controlling our own keeps.

- to piss off hibs/mids that want to have control of DF.
- to have control of DF as an extra place to do odd RvR, PvE'ing, or just as an extra spice among the available places to chose from.
- to have the extra practise for new people on how to defend properly in case we one day will have a relic to defend
- to get to know our own frontier
- to send a message to mids/hibs about who owns our own frontier
- for morale

i can think of a few other reasons as well, although quite a few of those mentioned above will change with NF. but NF aint here yet, and probably not for another few months.

AMEN!

 

[Javai]

We were part of the force that defended Renaris from the Mids...at that time there were also 10 Hibs hitting on Beno we went up and wiped them, 10 minutes later 45 (yes 45) Hibs came to take Beno.

The small force we had < 2fgs had no hope of defending a keep against 45 with shrooms so we left, rather than simply allow a force of superior numbers to farm us when there is actually nothing for them to gain other than DF.

 

[Daws]

An idea.

There's little to no reward on taking our keeps atm, don't even try to compare NF with now... in nf we get rp and exp bonus everywhere just for olding a keep, now you get exp bonus at a really small range around your keep, and most keeps don't even have decent mob camps nearby

It all boils down to what people want and where they think they can get it.

Here's what people want:
- 8v8 battles or 2fg whatever versus other realms.
- Realm points.
- Fun.

These seem to be the main three things people want. Where do they think they can find all three and nothing else? Emain of course.

Here's what people get if they defend our frontier:
- Most people saying "nah, cba, going emain" etc
- 8v8 battles outside keeps where it's totally unfair because whoever is holding the keep is going to win 9/10 times.
- Zerg battles once the opposing fg DF wanters are dispersed more will come and still more if you kill them. Eventually, as few albs wish to defend our frontier, you will be outnumbered.
- Realm points.
- Providing keep defence successful: DF.
- Fun [all relative].

Well that's my take on things - and the reasons to defend our frontier just really aren't enough for most people which is sad really, so I have a solution that might solve some of the problems:

We make a rota system. We have lots of alliances, so if we group these into three separate blocks of as equal size as possible then we assign a realm to each of the three blocks say each week. This would then mean that it is solely the responsibility of the alliances grouped together to defend the keeps that albion owns in their assigned realms. This doesn't mean that the alliance is purely confined to roaming in their assigned realm, though that maybe an idea as well, but when there is no enemy presence in a particular realm it obviously gets very boring indeed roaming around. Thus, it would also be the responsibilty of whoever's guild has claimed a keep that is under attack to contact the alliances involved in defending the keeps in that realm that their time for duty is here. This doesn't stop anyone else moving to assist them should they not be needed elsewhere.

I just thought that this way, maybe if the rota is changed once a week or something like that then maybe people will think, "Ahh, it's our turn to defend our frontier this week, let's prove to people that we can do it and do it right." And then the week after anyone who doesn't like defending our frontier can think, "Ahh, it's not our responsibility this week, we don't have to do anything if we don't want to."

Just an idea.

 

[Kagato]

I dont agree tbh. I can see several reasons why its worth defending and controlling our own keeps.

- to piss off hibs/mids that want to have control of DF.
- to have control of DF as an extra place to do odd RvR, PvE'ing, or just as an extra spice among the available places to chose from.
- to have the extra practise for new people on how to defend properly in case we one day will have a relic to defend
- to get to know our own frontier
- to send a message to mids/hibs about who owns our own frontier
- for morale

i can think of a few other reasons as well, although quite a few of those mentioned above will change with NF. but NF aint here yet, and probably not for another few months.

Afraid that doesn't wash,
- trust me, zerging emain pisses em off twice as much, just check the rvr forum whines
- DF is old hat, few bother farming diamonds still and AC exp is better, don't get me wrong, as a soloer I love DF but its not near as important as it used to be.
- Practise is irrelivent and most people still playing the game have been for years, as well all now all that happens in a siege or raid is that everyone listens to the guy in charge who is the one spamming orders that make the most sense, usually one of the 'known' names.
-We have easy access to ingame maps now with custom UI's, everyone should have one if they can't navigate properly.
-Theres nothing moral boosting about getting instantly killed by a field of mushrooms you can't do fuck all about. Which is what happens with most sieges against hibs.


If you enjoy keep sieges, I have no problem with that, I hope you enjoy yourself, I just think its stupid to expect other people to share your enthuisiasm for them and jump in to help when they'd rather be doing the kind of RvR they enjoy, specially when the vast majority of people quite clearly don't like sieges and who can blame them when the enemy realms have the most advantages as always for siege fights, (shrooms, best pbaoe, bugged pets, instant CC, best FF tanks, the list is endless).

 

[Jaden]

I dont agree tbh. I can see several reasons why its worth defending and controlling our own keeps.

- to piss off hibs/mids that want to have control of DF.
- to have control of DF as an extra place to do odd RvR, PvE'ing, or just as an extra spice among the available places to chose from.
- to have the extra practise for new people on how to defend properly in case we one day will have a relic to defend
- to get to know our own frontier
- to send a message to mids/hibs about who owns our own frontier
- for morale

i can think of a few other reasons as well, although quite a few of those mentioned above will change with NF. but NF aint here yet, and probably not for another few months.

-To get in routine of takeing keep back straight a way for NF as well

 

[Dafft]

There's little to no reward on taking our keeps atm, don't even try to compare NF with now... in nf we get rp and exp bonus everywhere just for olding a keep, now you get exp bonus at a really small range around your keep, and most keeps don't even have decent mob camps nearby

LIES!!!!! Wrong!!! You are the weakest link!!!!!!!!

Berks got the best mob camps, Reno got one, Eras got one....in fact all keeps got mob camps that range from lvl 40 ~60 mobs, it's just a matter of knowing where to go.

Ive spent a few bit of time in the frontiers & some area's are better than others.

And the reward for holding a keep is RP's, the more keeps your alliance has the more bonus RP's you get, same as with your guild earning RP's & BP's & XP. Try it some time, claim a keep, & lvl some toons near. Loot drops are good too

my 2 cents

 

[Belomar]

Right, one of these threads routinely pop up about once every month by some self-righteous Alb who temporarily woke up from the normal RP farming, and spent the evening before doing keep warfare. First of all, I am out of touch of the Excalibur RvR situation, but you are really only entitled to complain if you've been reliably defending the Albion frontier yourself for the last few months, defending and retaking keeps--most of the old-timers around here have been there, done that, and are now tired of ungrateful people whining on the CS pad about not having DF, or indeed piling up outside the DF entrance waiting for it to open. And secondly, as others have already remarked upon, there is currently no real reason for Albion to care about its frontier. (Having DF, contrary to common belief, is actually detrimental to the realm since it will only serve to add money to the market and inflate prices--witness Mid/Excal.)

So, yes, well done on successful keep defense, and good on you for enjoying that kind of thing, but there is no sense in trying to "shame" other Albs into defending the frontier when there quite literally is nothing to defend.

 

[Lethul]

(Having DF, contrary to common belief, is actually detrimental to the realm since it will only serve to add money to the market and inflate prices--witness Mid/Excal.)

what do you mean? aint 30p a usuall price for Star of destiny?

 

[Daws]

Anyone comment on my idea? I think it may be more viable for NF than now but still worth considering.

 

[Crystalair]

I think its important to realise that there are a lot of players out there that dont like RVR. However, there are some that love it.

If albs dont go big on keep takes I hope that NF will change that.

The hibs and mids already know that we are not that big in RVR, well most of the time anyway. So it would be fun to suddenly appear from nowhere when NFs comes out and kick their asses.

I agree with most comments though that they other realms are severly overpowered.

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Crystalair - 50 cleric
GM Sauvage Knights
(formerly Knights of the Round Table)
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"Our Keeps are Important Too"

 

[trycorn]

tbh i was to tired cos of that stupid bug and going LD every 5 mins, so went to xp arti's, when they fixed that bug i might come out and rox some keep's

 

[Arindra]

I dont agree tbh. I can see several reasons why its worth defending and controlling our own keeps.

- to piss off hibs/mids that want to have control of DF.
- to have control of DF as an extra place to do odd RvR, PvE'ing, or just as an extra spice among the available places to chose from.
- to have the extra practise for new people on how to defend properly in case we one day will have a relic to defend
- to get to know our own frontier
- to send a message to mids/hibs about who owns our own frontier
- for morale

i can think of a few other reasons as well, although quite a few of those mentioned above will change with NF. but NF aint here yet, and probably not for another few months.

All the above apply better to defending a hibgard keep.

Plus we get damage and rp bonuses from hibgard keeps.

If you want to defend a keep, everyone is better off picking a hibgard one.