Piss poor.

[Golly]

This thread should never have been started!
It is sad and stupid.

/agree

 

[Dukat]

This thread should never have been started!
It is sad and stupid.

Someone thinks that what happened in the RR last night was not right and that the people on a ML raid should have defended, this thread has a valid reason behind it and so isnt necessarily 'sad and stupid'. While I disagree with the points being raised in this thread, your post is a hell of a lot more sad and stupid than this thread, and so your post is the thing that should should never have been posted, not this thread.

Why? Yet again Albs get bum spanked because of some pve event.

I stopped scroll farming and went to see what I could do with my scout last night, even though I've been avoiding RvR and have pretty much retired untill my new template is ready, I still went out to see what could be done.

That said, I don't agree that the ML3 raid was directly responsible for the relics being taken. Had the people on the ML3 raid all dropped what they were doing and ran to defend the frontiers, I think we would just see this happening again either tomorow, the next day or whenever else there is a ML raid happening.

People should have the right to go on a ML raid without worrying about catching the blame when the relics go missing while the raid is in progress.

 

[Vodkafairy]

Obviously the people in the ML3 disagree. ML3 does not come around that often, so why should people leave just because of a RR?

Ultimately who is the most selfish? Those that wanted ML3 or those that wanted the Relic so they could get more RPs?

When you pay everyones subs then you can make that comment, until then I suggest you let people do what pleases them.

none are selfish. if you want to do ml3, you go do ml3, but you will lose a relic because of it. OF-rr's were so much more fun, because there weren't any threats unless there was something real going on. and the moment that became clear, everyone knew they have to defend or they would lose the relic.

in nf, even taking a tower with a fg can mean an attempt to take the relic. it can just span over a very long period of time to take one.

 

[jimmythepost]

heehe swings and roundabouts

at least the relics change hands more now


your m8 and mine jimmythepost gm guards of avalon

 

[Gorse]

Dukat -it is both sad and stupid to moan and whine over the way some poeple choose to play this game.
A game with such a heterogenerous gameplay can be played in several ways. Nobody holds patent on how to play this game the "right" way.
Games are about doing what you want.
Further more threads like this never brings any good only hostility-which makes it sad and stupid.

 

[elbeek]

A game with such a heterogenerous gameplay can be played in several ways.

OMFG someone ate the theasaurus didn't they?

 

[Dukat]

Dukat -it is both sad and stupid to moan and whine over the way some poeple choose to play this game.

Possibly, but where do you draw the line between discussion and 'moan and whine' ? If I was to moan and whine it would sound something like the start of this thread admittedly, but beeks has a different way of putting a point and so I'd say that more is implied rather than just 'moan and whine'.

A game with such a heterogenerous gameplay can be played in several ways. Nobody holds patent on how to play this game the "right" way.

Games are about doing what you want.

I agree, and I thought that was reflected in my post, in that I was one of the people who dropped what I was doing to defend, but I still dont think that people who didn't drop what they were doing to defend are in the wrong.

eg: I was playing the game one way, but I dont think that the people who played it differently were in the wrong.

Further more threads like this never brings any good only hostility-which makes it sad and stupid.

I disagree, arguement can produce constructive results, as long as it is kept within certain bounds. How can something that can potentially produce constructive results - for example a generally accepted way of doing things better next time - be stupid?

 

[eggy]

You snooze, you lose.

 

[Golly]

OMFG someone ate the theasaurus didn't they?

hes gone into what i call essay mode, when you really wanna make a point

its a good thing relics are changing hands imo, even if we'r on the losing side for once

RRs tend to get a lot of ppl out to rvr that dont usually rvr, as they just get pharmed

but with RRs its just a mass zerg, you do as well on an earth wizz with crap armour as you do on a toa'd merc, or something like that but you get the point

gets stagnant with no relics changing hands, nice to have it "epic" every now n then

 

[Rhori]

You snooze, you lose.

/respect for capatin obvious shrinks

 

[knighthood]

heehe swings and roundabouts

at least the relics change hands more now


your m8 and mine jimmythepost gm guards of avalon

Holy Shit peeps, Jimmythepost posting on FH !!!!

Lol jim m8 i think i seen about 5 posts by u ever man, u shuld join the flame/troll wagon more often. Btw /hug and can i have 3p 670g to respec again

 

[Tilda]

tbh I agree with beeks.
Its common sense and curtesey as a raid leader, to ask the raid to suicide and defend the relics if they're under attack.
Blindly rushing on with ML3 when the realm is under attack is just dumb.
Relic raids need countering when they occur, as its impossible just to re-schedule in a new relic raid, they take far more planning, coordiation and efford than any ML raid.
ML's can be done anytime by an ever decreasing number.
People refusing to leave a raid to defend their realm make me ashamed to be an alb.

 

[Aadia]

Not ashamed to admit I was on ML3, finally gave into the ToA yawndom after fighting it off since release and tryna run without MLs on my arms.

But its funny how the ML folk get blamed, surely the logic is get MLs for RvR? What about the 100 and odd PvEr's not doing MLs who were probably simply cash farming/artifact lvling/crafting i.e. stuff that could wait an hour while relics got defended? How come they never get stick for this stuff?

The whole point about it that struck me was we were DEFENDING relics. And those also give bonuses to people who do ml's or pve or whatever. So don't you think relics actually got a bit more then ml's when ml's can easily be run afterwards? All in all, how many ml raids have been run over the last god knows how many months?

In the end i could not just but laugh as when the relic was lost all of a sudden the ml people started to join. Talk about lost causes!

 

[elbeek]

tbh I agree with beeks.
Its common sense and curtesey as a raid leader, to ask the raid to suicide and defend the relics if they're under attack.
Blindly rushing on with ML3 when the realm is under attack is just dumb.
Relic raids need countering when they occur, as its impossible just to re-schedule in a new relic raid, they take far more planning, coordiation and efford than any ML raid.
ML's can be done anytime by an ever decreasing number.
People refusing to leave a raid to defend their realm make me ashamed to be an alb.

Well put Tilda. What pisses me off is the fact relics are now so hard to obtain ( yes I know all about the AC raids but those aside ) and take a lot more planning than any ml raid. Also for those who are more pve inclined, the plus bonuses help no end when pveing, so it's not just the rvr side that benefits.

 

[Pirkel]

Why? Yet again Albs get bum spanked because of some pve event.

And that reply just made it, and you, about 70 times sadder.

People pay their own subs ... they can decide what to do with the time they play.

Suggestion people should drop an ml raid, drop what they've planned, to protect a couple of pixels that give you more damage is ...

 

[Drav]

The whole point about it that struck me was we were DEFENDING relics. And those also give bonuses to people who do ml's or pve or whatever. So don't you think relics actually got a bit more then ml's when ml's can easily be run afterwards? All in all, how many ml raids have been run over the last god knows how many months?

You seriously think if we all left the ML raid and pushed back the raiders, the next time the ML raid came around i.e. the replanned time, mids/hibs wouldnt simply just do the same and RR us again?

Please. At any point theres something on the FH Alb forums screaming "ALBS GONNA BE OFF DOING SOMETHING ELSE" Mids and Hibs will try to take advantage....and thats just common sense, same goes for Albs and alarm clocks, common sense that its easier to get relics in those situations.....Lame raids both of them but thats life.

 

[Soulja_IA_]

tbh I agree with beeks.
Its common sense and curtesey as a raid leader, to ask the raid to suicide and defend the relics if they're under attack.
Blindly rushing on with ML3 when the realm is under attack is just dumb.
Relic raids need countering when they occur, as its impossible just to re-schedule in a new relic raid, they take far more planning, coordiation and efford than any ML raid.
ML's can be done anytime by an ever decreasing number.
People refusing to leave a raid to defend their realm make me ashamed to be an alb.

Have to disagree with you there Tilda OK I can respect the realm to go and Defend but as for ML Raids for most people who are not hard core gamers it is hard for them to get a ML.I Work Shifts and some ML I Would love to have I miss because of my Work pattern so some respect must be made to these people who are not 24/7 gamers.

It took me nearly a year for me to get 1 of my toons ml10 where others in my realm could get them all done within a month.

Soulja

 

[Aadia]

You seriously think if we all left the ML raid and pushed back the raiders, the next time the ML raid came around i.e. the replanned time, mids/hibs wouldnt simply just do the same and RR us again?

Please. At any point theres something on the FH Alb forums screaming "ALBS GONNA BE OFF DOING SOMETHING ELSE" Mids and Hibs will try to take advantage....and thats just common sense, same goes for Albs and alarm clocks, common sense that its easier to get relics in those situations.....Lame raids both of them but thats life.

Let me give you another example about albs attitude...

Tonight we managed to break wall and inner door with our alliance. I pm'd the other battlegroup leader that was around in alb fronteer saying to get all his people to beno as doors were open but needed help getting into lords room.
His response after a while? The albs of his bg couldn't be bothered.

Makes me wonder why on earth i'm an alb.

 

[Thorwyn]

Tonight we managed to break wall and inner door with our alliance. I pm'd the other battlegroup leader that was around in alb fronteer saying to get all his people to beno as doors were open but needed help getting into lords room.

nono.. this thread is about people doing a ML raid, not about people who´re in RvR and just cba to work together. It´s a completely different thing, don´t throw them into the same bucket please.

 

[Flimgoblin]

You seriously think if we all left the ML raid and pushed back the raiders, the next time the ML raid came around i.e. the replanned time, mids/hibs wouldnt simply just do the same and RR us again?

If you could count on 100 people all facing the same direction appearing at the same time in sauvage every time you rred during an ML raid then you might well think "maybe not" next time

At the very least you wouldn't pick your times based on the other realm's ML raids.

Think about it - at the moment people don't leave the ML raids, that means ML raid = easy target. If ML raids as a rule tended to go defend when relics were under attack this wouldn't be the case so people wouldn't arrange RRs around ML raids.

That said, Aran says he was unaware of the alb ML raid going on, and I don't think he's the sort to arrange RRs around another realm's pve raid schedule so it wouldn't really have made much odds in this case to postpone.

 

[BlackrazoR]

Pointless post IMO. Perhaps "debate" is good but frankly whining that some people wanted a ML over a relic is pointless - its their choice and we still have both the Mid relics so less QQ.

That said it would've been nice to see the hibs posting all over FH saying we "Alb-zerged" them even when they had their entire realm out for a relic raid.

 

[Drav]

If you could count on 100 people all facing the same direction appearing at the same time in sauvage every time you rred during an ML raid then you might well think "maybe not" next time

At the very least you wouldn't pick your times based on the other realm's ML raids.

Think about it - at the moment people don't leave the ML raids, that means ML raid = easy target. If ML raids as a rule tended to go defend when relics were under attack this wouldn't be the case so people wouldn't arrange RRs around ML raids.

Gotta say I disagree Flim, i still think there'd be attempts, even if the thought behind the attempts would be 'Well least we'll screw up Albs ML raid', and you only have to read over the boards to realise theres folk lame and sad enough to go for that kind've raid regardless of realm.

All in all if your gonna blame folk for the relic loss theres not just the ML3 folk who werent in RvR that day, if I remember numbers correctly there were more ppl in just bog standard PvE. Guess the difference is generally the folk on the MLs care about the relics, therefore its easy to think 'Well if it wasnt for that bloody ML', but the dedicated fulltime PvErs would just tell folk to get lost.

 

[Drav]

Let me give you another example about albs attitude...

Tonight we managed to break wall and inner door with our alliance. I pm'd the other battlegroup leader that was around in alb fronteer saying to get all his people to beno as doors were open but needed help getting into lords room.
His response after a while? The albs of his bg couldn't be bothered.

Makes me wonder why on earth i'm an alb.

I agree with ya m8 in that instance that just plains sucks....but sadly that is way the alb has always seemed....too many cooks etc

 

[Waspic]

Geez guys...If no1 ever took eachother's relics, there would never be any phun!
If u want forever peace and happy, go watch Teletubbies imo

 

[Adari]

...its impossible just to re-schedule in a new relic raid, they take far more planning, coordiation and efford than any ML raid.

Not really.

Basically you just check FH for ML raids and then send the zerg out conveniently timed!

 

[Flimgoblin]

Gotta say I disagree Flim, i still think there'd be attempts, even if the thought behind the attempts would be 'Well least we'll screw up Albs ML raid', and you only have to read over the boards to realise theres folk lame and sad enough to go for that kind've raid regardless of realm.

All in all if your gonna blame folk for the relic loss theres not just the ML3 folk who werent in RvR that day, if I remember numbers correctly there were more ppl in just bog standard PvE. Guess the difference is generally the folk on the MLs care about the relics, therefore its easy to think 'Well if it wasnt for that bloody ML', but the dedicated fulltime PvErs would just tell folk to get lost.

I'm not blaming anyone. PvE if you want - just would be nice if the realm stuck together a bit more to defend what it's got... It's harder these days too - when do you scream "FS GET TO EXCAL!" on the /as like you used to? There is no cutoff point when people should get suiciding on trees etc. like there used to be. It's all very much a "hrm some mids in HW might be a raid" these days so you can't tell when a big push is really needed till it's way too late.

On the other point, the people that are lame enough and sad enough to arrange a relic raid _just to spoil an ML raid_ are not the sort of people that other people listen to. Can't just snap your fingers and get a relic raid - it takes planning and organisation and people listening to you.

That said I don't think many raids are arranged around our ML timetable despite what we might like to think, it's just that any time that's good for a primetime RR is also good for an ML raid, hence there tends to be one.

 

[eggy]

Raid leaders...what a bunch of self-obsessed wankers!!!











































(...there's a joke in there somewhere bfore you flame me!)

 

[Danamyr]

Actually, I can understand why Elbeek is upset. I can recall Rod decided to abandon his ML9 last week because of what appeared to be a similar attempt being founded on the relics then.

I don't know what to say really. I can see both sides of the argument...guess I'll just sit on the fence, unhelpful though that may be

 

[eggy]

Well, here’s a good analogy:

You’re getting ready to go out with the lads for a night on the razzle. Your wallet is stocked full of cash, you’ve fed the cat and done three tequilas at home. All that awaits is beer, scantily clad women and rock & roll. Just as you get into town, the girlfriend calls because she’s failed her university degree and faces another year being a starving scrounging student. She asks for comfort…you feel it’s your duty to go to her…what do you do?!

Well, I know what I’d choose!

After all, you can shag your girlfriend any night of the week.

 

[Danamyr]

Well, here’s a good analogy:

You’re getting ready to go out with the lads for a night on the razzle. Your wallet is stocked full of cash, you’ve fed the cat and done three tequilas at home. All that awaits is beer, scantily clad women and rock & roll. Just as you get into town, the girlfriend calls because she’s failed her university degree and faces another year being a starving scrounging student. She asks for comfort…you feel it’s your duty to go to her…what do you do?!

Well, I know what I’d choose!

After all, you can shag your girlfriend any night of the week.

Hmmm...you've got a lot to learn about women young man!

You've obviously yet to face the 'Oh, I am not in the mood tonight' response, or the 'Oh, you've upset me so you're getting no sex until I feel you've been suitably punished and are very, very sorry!' response