Request for help from our fellow Albion Guilds

[Robin the Brave]

Agreed, you are. Now kindly go backstab your realm on a different server, kthxbye.

 

[kirennia]

pot-kettle-black.

I beleive that everyone on this cluster and everything that is done in game is upto them and of no particular baring on what I should 'force' them to do. If to you this makes me elitist then I fear elitism needs a new term. Trying to enjoy a game makes someone elitist and trying obscure methods to try and heal wounds of an age old server does the same, then I fear that everyone here is an elitist.

I still hold the same view that back 5 years ago when I first joined this server I did, that being the enjoyment of the masses being what this game is all about. I've had many a triumph in the game, I've had many a low point; even when I left daoc, I still felt that I kept true to what my original goal was.... to have fun. This isn't a game about just your personal enjoyment, just as real life isn't about screwing over other people for your own means.

I am still very active on the server and most probably will be until the time the server dies. I can still honestly put myself in other peoples shoes and say that I have done nothing which would go against the bigger picture, that being the life-blood of the server.

I backstab no-one. I murdered no-one. I have not commited treason. I have not murdered any small child. Your view is extremely distorted if you beleive I and the rest of TT have.

You seem to be the only person (to have posted here) who has yet to realise the intentions of what I and TT personally did. You don't have to agree with us to stop such negative comments, just a little common decency would be enough.

We didn't wake up one day and all decide 'Fuck it, we seem to be doing okay at the moment, lets try and make ourselves the most hated guild on the server'. We stood up for that which we beleived in and did it in a manner which would make those who apposed us listen.

Many of those which argued with us over the past month or so have come to realise why we did what we did, including a few old in game friends who had a different point of view. Bracken, muylaetrix, kinetix, hellsvip and many more did not by any means think that what we did would help in any way. I respect their views and have commented with the similar respect which they deserve, despite their disagreement with our actions.

You however seem hell bent on blinding yourself to why we may have done what we have done. The inability to see anothers point of view, beleiveing that yours is the only way forward and resulting to petty insults, THAT is what makes you an elitist. Pray tell, what exactly has made me one? And no, playing less then 6 hours a week in a relatively competitive FG doesn't not make an elitist.

should've let TT do it, after a warning its perma isnt it?

I wasn't given any ban, nor were 6 other members of TT. Nor were the several guild GMs which pm'ed us saying they would have done the same thing if given the oppertunity.


edit: My apologies for bringing this up again, it however was not originally fuelled by me, an active character in the realm who still thinks the server has a relatively active population. Merry christmas all Even you kagato

 

[kivik]

TT can!

late :worthy:

aaand


kirennia > kato

 

[knighthood]

Lolz , poor Hurb

Enjoy the bonus loss

Now if only hibs can take renaris (which im hoping they have while i was posting this)

 

[elbeek]

Agreed, you are. Now kindly go backstab your realm on a different server, kthxbye.

Jesus Christ Kagato take a reality check ffs.

 

[Muppet]

funny how this thread is being completely derailed from 2nd post and all the "attention" folk (this doesnt apply to all, but those that feel offended by this will know who I mean) come out to join in and add more rubbish to the albion section of FH.

 

[Raven]

Agreed, you are. Now kindly go backstab your realm on a different server, kthxbye.

get out more

 

[Kagato]

yadda yadda yadda

To me an elitist is a minority of people who disrespect people that do not follow their beliefs or standards and tries to force people to toe their line.

Its no coincidence that after your failed betrayel all the 8 v 8 lot went to another server. You back stabbed the whole of your realm because your minority did not like their 8 v 8 being unbalanced, that is elitism. But at least they had the decency to leave afterwards.

I believe people should play how they want to play so long as it does not spoil the enjoyment of others There is nothing elitist about that, what you did breached this.

 

[kivik]

Get fucking real kato.

 

[kirennia]

To me an elitist is a minority of people who disrespect people that do not follow their beliefs or standards and tries to force people to toe their line.

A minority of people like AC raiders? Or do you really think 16 people raiding one night is a majority?

Its no coincidence that after your failed betrayel all the 8 v 8 lot went to another server. You back stabbed the whole of your realm because your minority did not like their 8 v 8 being unbalanced, that is elitism. But at least they had the decency to leave afterwards.

Our minority? 8 vs 8? Back stabbed? Are you for real?
A drop of over 400 people each night within the past month is far from a minority. We've also said many a time that we don't just 8vs8 and we have stabbed no-one.

At least they had the decency to leave afterwards? So you think everyone who agreed with us should leave too?

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=210962

284 agreed with us, 88 didn't from that poll. I'm sorry, who's the minority again? You want over 3/4 of those who voted to leave the server? You're a bloody nut job if you don't see the irony of your statements. You say we're wishing the server dead because we stood up for what we beleived in, trying to help people yet you're telling 284+ people to leave the server.

I believe people should play how they want to play so long as it does not spoil the enjoyment of others There is nothing elitist about that, what you did breached this.

Spoil the enjoyment of others like some have by AC raiding? It obviously does spoil the enjoyment of others as otherwise all these people wouldn't have left the server.

Dress this up all you want but the more you post, the more your complete blind ignorance is becoming apparent.

I'm truly interested as to how you cannot see the irony of your statements, nor any of the reasons we did what we did, beyond wanting to bring about the end of humankind as we know it!!!

funny how this thread is being completely derailed from 2nd post and all the "attention" folk (this doesnt apply to all, but those that feel offended by this will know who I mean) come out to join in and add more rubbish to the albion section of FH.

I'm sorry it went in this direction, I wish it could have happened in a different thread but I'm not someone who can simply walk past issues such as this raised without curiosity getting the better of me. I'm not offended by your post as it doesn't apply to me

 

[Kagato]

And since when did a FH poll cover all the player base?

Since when did this only effect the AC raiders? the ENTIRE REALM benefits from that keep, that keep effects everyone in albion both as a keep and from having a relic in it.

Your actions did not just backstab the AC raiders if you want to call them that, it backstabs all the albions that play as wether they took part in the raid or not that keep benefits them as does whatever relic it holds, and believe it not, not all of those albs get involved in FH polls, heck alot of my friends refuse to even look at these forums, for which I do not blame them.

Yet you want to dictate to them wether they can have a relic or not just because you disagree with how some people took it. You want to punish a majority for the actions of a few and try to justify it with a poll only a fraction of the player base will see, let alone answer and which covers 3 realms, which is naturally going to go 2 - 1 by pure maths of those who benefit and those who don't.

And no, I never said all that answer that poll should leave, I said you who was directly involved should of had the decency to leave with the other traitors.

 

[kirennia]

And since when did a FH poll cover all the player base?

Since when did this only effect the AC raiders? the ENTIRE REALM benefits from that keep, that keep effects everyone in albion both as a keep and from having a relic in it.

Your actions did not just backstab the AC raiders if you want to call them that, it backstabs all the albions that play as wether they took part in the raid or not that keep benefits them as does whatever relic it holds, and believe it not, not all of those albs get involved in FH polls, heck alot of my friends refuse to even look at these forums, for which I do not blame them.

Yet you want to dictate to them wether they can have a relic or not just because you disagree with how some people took it. You want to punish a majority for the actions of a few and try to justify it with a poll only a fraction of the player base will see, let alone answer and which covers 3 realms, which is naturally going to go 2 - 1 by pure maths of those who benefit and those who don't.

And no, I never said all that answer that poll should leave, I said you who was directly involved should of had the decency to leave with the other traitors.

Gonna highlight some key points from my post again...please don't just read and respond, try and comprehend what'd being said this time...


A drop of over 400 people each night within the past month is far from a minority.

So you think everyone who agreed with us should leave too?

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=210962

284 agreed with us, 88 didn't from that poll. I'm sorry, who's the minority again? You want over 3/4 of those who votedto leave the server? You're a bloody nut job if you don't see the irony of your statements. You say we're wishing the server dead because we stood up for what we beleived in, trying to help people yet you're telling 284+ people to leave the server.



Spoil the enjoyment of others like some have by AC raiding? It obviously does spoil the enjoyment of others as otherwise all these people wouldn't have left the server.


Nowhere did I say that a FH poll covers 'all of the playerbase'. It's still over 3/4 of those who posted who voted that we did the right thing but you still don't get that. I also know plenty of people who refuse to post here so that is a moot point.

As for the leaving the server point, you've already said in another thread, ooh look they're all leaving anyway, what a suprise! and yet now you're saying we should leave anyway. It's only a way of making yourself seem right, whatever is done.



You say the ENTIRE realm benefits from that keep though, but that doesn't mean they want it. I'm pretty sure midgard on the whole didn't want warlocks as a class because it further thinned out their playerbase between more OP (but not group viable) classes.

We didn't backstab the entire realm. This isn't a REAL war just so you know, it's a game and I don't care what people say, I have as much respect for hibs/mids as I do albs. Just because nearly all of my friends came from albion, it doesn't mean that people I don't know are instantly people I should disregard.

 

[Kagato]

Gonna highlight some key points from my post again...please don't just read and respond, try and comprehend what'd being said this time...


A drop of over 400 people each night within the past month is far from a minority.

So you think everyone who agreed with us should leave too?

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=210962

284 agreed with us, 88 didn't from that poll. I'm sorry, who's the minority again? You want over 3/4 of those who votedto leave the server? You're a bloody nut job if you don't see the irony of your statements. You say we're wishing the server dead because we stood up for what we beleived in, trying to help people yet you're telling 284+ people to leave the server.



Spoil the enjoyment of others like some have by AC raiding? It obviously does spoil the enjoyment of others as otherwise all these people wouldn't have left the server.


Nowhere did I say that a FH poll covers 'all of the playerbase'. It's still over 3/4 of those who posted who voted that we did the right thing but you still don't get that. I also know plenty of people who refuse to post here so that is a moot point.

As for the leaving the server point, you've already said in another thread, ooh look they're all leaving anyway, what a suprise! and yet now you're saying we should leave anyway. It's only a way of making yourself seem right, whatever is done.



You say the ENTIRE realm benefits from that keep though, but that doesn't mean they want it. I'm pretty sure midgard on the whole didn't want warlocks as a class because it further thinned out their playerbase between more OP (but not group viable) classes.

We didn't backstab the entire realm. This isn't a REAL war just so you know, it's a game and I don't care what people say, I have as much respect for hibs/mids as I do albs. Just because nearly all of my friends came from albion, it doesn't mean that people I don't know are instantly people I should disregard.

You missed the point of as much of my posts as you claim I did as yours.

And just because I wholeheartedly disagree with you, does not mean I did not comprehend your point, I simply do not think your point is valid or is biased.

And I also have the upmost respect for many many mids and hibs, heck more so then a great deal of albs.

But the people I do NOT respect in the slightest are people like you and the others who deliberatly backstab their own realm mates. I'd condemn those actions and have done before from any realm, hib mid or alb, even if those actions benefitted me.

People like that I would rather not play with at all, and certainly don't want as a so called ally, and it disgusts me even more coming from people like you i'd of thought incapable of such dispicable actions.

 

[kirennia]

You missed the point of as much of my posts as you claim I did as yours.

And just because I wholeheartedly disagree with you, does not mean I did not comprehend your point, I simply do not think your point is valid or is biased.

And I also have the upmost respect for many many mids and hibs, heck more so then a great deal of albs.

But the people I do NOT respect in the slightest are people like you and the others who deliberatly backstab their own realm mates. I'd condemn those actions and have done before from any realm, hib mid or alb, even if those actions benefitted me.

People like that I would rather not play with at all, and certainly don't want as a so called ally, and it disgusts me even more coming from people like you i'd of thought incapable of such dispicable actions.

Okay, I'll just ask you this for now then (it's getting late):

Do you think we sat down and thought 'We're doing quite well at the moment, lets go and try to annoy people as much as possible!' ? Ignore the effects of our actions, ignore what you think of these actions, that's the only question I'm wondering at the moment because from your posts, that's the basic trend I'm starting to see...

 

[Kagato]

Okay, I'll just ask you this for now then (it's getting late):

Do you think we sat down and thought 'We're doing quite well at the moment, lets go and try to annoy people as much as possible!' ? Ignore the effects of our actions, ignore what you think of these actions, that's the only question I'm wondering at the moment because from your posts, that's the basic trend I'm starting to see...

I don't think the sole motive of every single person involved was just to piss of the realm no, but I don't doubt for a minute that some people, especially certain ones I wont name here, did do it partially because they wanted to get a kick out of the reaction it would cause.


Either way this is one issue we will simply have to agree to disagree on and this is getting grossly off topic so feel free to continue this in pm's if you want or in-game.

 

[Asha]

Kir, honestly, it's a brick wall.
Circular arguments, contradictions, flat out bs... doesn't matter what you say so don't waste anymore of your time.

 

[judas]

Kir 1 - Kagato 0.
as usual.

ps. Making the game more equal for everyone aint backstabbing.

 

[Kinetix]

I don't think the sole motive of every single person involved was just to piss of the realm no, but I don't doubt for a minute that some people, especially certain ones I wont name here, did do it partially because they wanted to get a kick out of the reaction it would cause.


Either way this is one issue we will simply have to agree to disagree on and this is getting grossly off topic so feel free to continue this in pm's if you want or in-game.

You dont need to say names kagato ppl just have to take a look at TT,s homepage and look up on theyr forums

 

[Rushie]

I wouldnt waste ur time with well constructed and thought out posts on Kagato, kir.

Hes nothing but a narrowminded zerging bellend and should be treated as such. everything he says is law and whatever we say is a spin of the truth to hide our elite intentions.

seriously get a fucking life (or just end it and do us all a favour) mate.... and grow up.

 

[Kagato]

Kir 1 - Kagato 0.
as usual.

ps. Making the game more equal for everyone aint backstabbing.

Someone called judas lecturing us on backstabbing?

 

[Blow]

What guild claimed it at the end untill we lost the relic?

 

[Kinetix]

Someone called judas lecturing us on backstabbing?

ahahahh.....ahahahah.....omg that so funny and ironic

 

[judas]

Someone called judas lecturing us on backstabbing?

bah! touche.

 

[swords]

http://www.tediousten.34sp.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=138

The amusement and mirth are meerly a side-effect realy. Should another guild have done the same and generated the same sorts of comments then my response would have been precisely the same. Had these moronic comments been missing then the reaction would have been entirely different.
Still, you have to be true to yourself and admit when you find some things about this very funny indeed.

 

[Maddam Mim]

zzzzzz this is getting so boring and so old news.

TT moved avalon, lots still here at cluster enjoying themselves, lets leave it that shall we?

You moved on, we moved on - lets get this behind us ok....

and for goodness sake - its only pixels chillaxor!

PS: thx to all mids and hibs giving us some great fights these days, good fun out there hehe

 

[kirennia]

What guild claimed it at the end untill we lost the relic?

No idea bud but the point still remains, what exactly is considered against the spirit of the realm? I know that the keep fell whilst it was level 8. Surely, keeping in the spirit of what was posted about TT, that guild should have firsty given it to a guild which could maintain it at level 10?

Does that make them 'treason' doers as some suggested before?

 

[Eeben]

Someone called judas lecturing us on backstabbing?

did anybody call you? i dont think so , so how about you just fuck off..

http://www.tediousten.34sp.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=138

The amusement and mirth are meerly a side-effect realy. Should another guild have done the same and generated the same sorts of comments then my response would have been precisely the same. Had these moronic comments been missing then the reaction would have been entirely different.
Still, you have to be true to yourself and admit when you find some things about this very funny indeed.

Its not something to make fun about!!! they need the relic so they can get the holy rps on their underpowert chars!!!

 

[Kagato]

did anybody call you? i dont think so , so how about you just fuck off..

Seeing as he was refering to things I had said in his post and named me then YES they called me to respond, so you sir, can kindly fuck off yourself, thankyou.

 

[Eeben]

Seeing as he was refering to things I had said in his post and named me then YES they called me to respond, so you sir, can kindly fuck off yourself, thankyou.

if you said in a post that everybody from TT are treason artists who murder small children and destroy the "spirit of the realm" on purpose because they loweret the keep so you cant get your rps on your hardmode armsman you should really get out more tbh

 

[kirennia]

if you said in a post that everybody from TT are treason artists who murder small children and destroy the "spirit of the realm" on purpose because they loweret the keep so you cant get your rps on your hardmode armsman you should really get out more tbh

He didn't say that My post was merely a reflection of what was said in the past by numerous members...some comments (Most not made by Kagato personally) included:

Traitious twats
Twats who deserve to be burned alive for what they've done
Backstabbers
Treasoners
Murderers
Destroyers of 'fair play'
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Spirit of the realm xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

and many more...

If told that I'm wrong then I'll dig them all out although I'm pretty darn sure they wont be argued against.

I don't think the sole motive of every single person involved was just to piss of the realm no, but I don't doubt for a minute that some people, especially certain ones I wont name here, did do it partially because they wanted to get a kick out of the reaction it would cause.


Either way this is one issue we will simply have to agree to disagree on and this is getting grossly off topic so feel free to continue this in pm's if you want or in-game.

Comments such as this though, are grounds for reasonable debate. I have already agreed to disagree with many members of this forum, in game and otherwise, but I still maintain the fact that everyone should understand at the very least why we may have done a thing such as lowering the keep to level 1; sacrificing a good repuation and potentially stopping our OWN fun on the server to prove such a large point to certain people.

Kagato : You say, you don't beleive the SOLE motive of all players was to disrupt the server; does this mean that you don't beleive all were trying to disrupt the server or that all were trying to disrupt the server but others had alterior motives? May have to re-read this a couple of times, I'm not being 100% clear maybe as I'm a lil drunk

Please do not lock this thread mods. If neccesary, delete flamebaits and clean it up but this is an honest discussion I wish to pursue with not only Kagato but anyonelse who wholeheartedly agrees with him.

I agree, HAVING to understand people is a weakness of my character but I'm afraid it isn't something which will change soon. Maybe I should have taken up psychiatry instead of programming but it doesn't change the way I feel.

I am 100% certain my actions were sincere yet you disagree with how I personally felt by the sounds of things. Is this true? I'm also pretty darn sure people didn't think 'fuck it, I want to leave, wahhh wahhh, lets annoy the poeple who annoyed us.

YES we felt it funny how people called TREASON when we did this and YES we found it funny when people said we should be burned alive for what we did but if the roles were reversed and someone had of said you deserved death for some which turned out to be so trivial, would you not have found it amusing when the same answer was presented?