Offensive Muslim cartoon!

[Ashala]

People have been arguing and fighting over / about religion for the past 5000 years, and will continue doing so for another 5000 years.

Mankind is an interesting word. There's not a lot of kindness in man...

We kill each other with impunity, we have no respect for life, our communities are filled with drug pushers, child molesters, and football hooligans. We destroy our natural environment, we kill animals to extinction, and we are as ignorant and intollerant as we are arrogant. Welcome to London !

would you belive it, war is actually the fastest way to evolve, naturally also the most unstable

 

[Job]

How amusing the 'offended' young Muslim who dressed as a suicide bomber in the London march, turns out to be a convicted cocaine and heroin dealer out on probation.

Well hardy-fookin-hardy-har, who has the moral high ground now?

Has he not 'offended' his own religion by dealing drugs to, no doubt, other Muslims, must be something in the Qoran to cover that one (guess he could claim he only supplied infidels , so was helping kill non-believers)

 

[Bunnytwo]

I didn't say it was the sole reason for the Crusades, i said it was the main reason for the crusades. How can you deny that the trigger for the Crusades was to regain Asia Minor

Yeh you did actually say it was the sole reason:

"It was nothing to do with religion, religion was an excuse used to gather support in the West, and then later in the east."

Don't think I denied was the trigger, think I pointed out that if had simply been the emperor calling for help with no other cause he wouldn't have got it, the Turks closing off the region to pilgrims was the rallying cry that raise the Crusade, not "Lets help the emperor who we excommunicated".

Back to the topic in hand of the cartoons. If they can't take it they shouldn't be so willing to dish it out. Don't see Jews around the world setting fire to arab embassies and yet the amount of anti-semitic tripe dished out in their media is scary. No reason why Islam should receive any special treatment:

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/rosenberg200402250838.asp

and before anyone goes on about biased websites just do a google search on "Al-Shatat" and its covered in a number of sources what this Syrian state funded series comes out with. If its not offensive to the Jewish faith then those cartoons about Mohammed shouldn't have been. Plain hypocrisy, sort out your own house before torching someone elses :touch:

Arab newspapers carry anti-semitic cartoons all the time with the Star of David being prominent in most of them. You could argue "Ah but the Islam expressly forbids images of Mohammed, whereas the Torah doesn't the star etc", yeh well the Hindu religion forbids the eating of beef, but its not going to stop me eating a burger and you don't see them torching the local McDonalds.

P.S That prat dressing up as a suicide bomber while out on parole and getting banged right up again .. classic

 

[Chronictank]

Back to the topic in hand of the cartoons. If they can't take it they shouldn't be so willing to dish it out. Don't see Jews around the world setting fire to arab embassies and yet the amount of anti-semitic tripe dished out in their media is scary. No reason why Islam should receive any special treatment:

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/rosenberg200402250838.asp

and before anyone goes on about biased websites just do a google search on "Al-Shatat" and its covered in a number of sources what this Syrian state funded series comes out with. If its not offensive to the Jewish faith then those cartoons about Mohammed shouldn't have been. Plain hypocrisy, sort out your own house before torching someone elses :touch:

Arab newspapers carry anti-semitic cartoons all the time with the Star of David being prominent in most of them. You could argue "Ah but the Islam expressly forbids images of Mohammed, whereas the Torah doesn't the star etc", yeh well the Hindu religion forbids the eating of beef, but its not going to stop me eating a burger and you don't see them torching the local McDonalds.

P.S That prat dressing up as a suicide bomber while out on parole and getting banged right up again .. classic

The war happened because of the loss of alot of Asia Minor, not because of religion. which i have said before, if they didnt lose Asia Minor they wouldn't have gone to war. But thats the last im going to say on the matter so we will have to agree to disagree

You do realise that cartoon is banned in most countries?, including Pakistan (which is a muslim state) and quite rightly so.

and the guy dressing as a bomber got all he deserved, about time they banged up that guy with one aye and a hook too.
Should arest/deport all these tards trying to rally anti-semetic support regardless of the faith

 

[Raven]

about time they banged up that guy with one aye and a hook too.

he got given 7 years yesterday

 

[~Latency~]

he got given 7 years yesterday

p00ned

 

[Lamp]

If they put him in general population he won't last 7 minutes

 

[tris-]

i havent read the whole story, but did we imprison him?

if so, i dont see how spending our tax money on him in prison for 7 years will stop him being a terrorist. he will still follow islam, and be extreme, when he is released.

just imo ofc.

 

[Klonk]

It's been brought to my attention that the "ban" in the muslim holy book (dunno wtf it's called in English, the Koran?) is not so definite. I heard that in some muslim societies, they actually depict Muhammed very often. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[tris-]

yes, i can confirm they have done it for 100s of years.

 

[Dandare]

i havent read the whole story, but did we imprison him?

if so, i dont see how spending our tax money on him in prison for 7 years will stop him being a terrorist. he will still follow islam, and be extreme, when he is released.

just imo ofc.

I agree and as mentioned above he won't be mixing with the normal prison population so will need extra treatment from officers and will then become an icon with any muslims in prison.
After 3.5-4 years he will be realesed and we are back to square one.
Immediate deportation would have been a better option imo.

 

[tris-]

7 yrs should mean 7 yrs, and prison should mean prison.

but not in the UK, hell no! 7 yrs means 3 yrs, prison means a full furnished room, ensuite toilet and meals brought to you all the time.

pile of shit it is.

 

[Chronictank]

It's been brought to my attention that the "ban" in the muslim holy book (dunno wtf it's called in English, the Koran?) is not so definite. I heard that in some muslim societies, they actually depict Muhammed very often. Can anyone confirm this?

you can draw him but not show his face

 

[tris-]

you can draw him but not show his face

i dont think thats correct. what i read is mohammed cannot be depicted at all.

it also wouldnt make sense to only be not allowed to show his face.

drawing him is creating an idol of him. regardless if you see his face or not.

 

[Benedictine]

i dont think thats correct. what i read is mohammed cannot be depicted at all.

it also wouldnt make sense to only be not allowed to show his face.

drawing him is creating an idol of him. regardless if you see his face or not.

Depends how hardline they are - the issue with the face thing is that some hardliners are not allowed to pictorally represent anything with a 'soul' so no piccys of families, dogs, pets, footballers

However, anyone employed by GOA is ok

 

[tris-]

im unsure where the GOA thing comes into this?

afaik in islam, no idols pictures etc can be created of any of their gods or muhammed.

drawing the body of someone is depicting them regardless of their face being shown.

people of islamic faith have drawn pictures of mohammed for 100s of years therfore depicted him and idolised him.

i have never read anything in history that showed islamic people killing each other for creating pictures of mohammed. so why they want to do it now is really beyond me.

 

[Melachi]

Im late joining this conversation so not replying to anyones post in paticular.

Fortunately this incident has helped many in Europe to discover their backbone - over the past few years it seemed to be missing. Hopefully the movers and shakers within the affected European countries will not sacrifice the hard won freedoms of free press/expression to placate people who increasingly it seems are impossible to please anyway.

Alot of Danish products will be on my weeks shoping list


Hmmm, I just realised the local supermarket here is infact owned by a Muslim company, I wonder if there will be any Danish items, if not ill be going elsewhere. Im not sure though, it could be a Hindu owned company.

 

[Cozak]

Im late joining this conversation so not replying to anyones post in paticular.

Fortunately this incident has helped many in Europe to discover their backbone - over the past few years it seemed to be missing. Hopefully the movers and shakers within the affected European countries will not sacrifice the hard won freedoms of free press/expression to placate people who increasingly it seems are impossible to please anyway.

Alot of Danish products will be on my weeks shoping list


Hmmm, I just realised the local supermarket here is infact owned by a Muslim company, I wonder if there will be any Danish items, if not ill be going elsewhere. Im not sure though, it could be a Hindu owned company.

Here here, nice avatar

 

[tris-]

cool site. well i have visited and got an avatar.

although im unsure how this will directly help. i suppose it does show i am in support of what they did though. if that helps, i dont know if it does.

lol, o well.

oh ye - i will make all my friends buy carlsberg by the lorry full aswell.

 

[Job]

Well I eat loads of Danish Bacon, pretty well regarded in the UK.

Can't think of much else, maybe you could send some of those blondes over, we could give them a nice home.

Basically I think we can safely say if anyone thinks of fookin with Denmark, they'll have the rest of us to answer to.

 

[Ezteq]

really cba to go in to a big discussion (mainly cos im typing 1 fingered and it'd take about 7 years) i'll just say:

HELLOOO YOUR THREATENING TO KILL PEOPLE OVER A CARTOON???

i mean blimey if people can see that as being ok then i'll just turn off my life support now i think.

i wish they'd just grow up and shut up, im just too damn sick and tired of them now and any sympathy i may have had is just gone because if they arnt the biggest pain in the arse i dont know what is, tbh i hate bullies and all these "extreamists" are is bullies, trying to hold folk to ransome and get their own way by yelling and threatening people, bollocks thats not the sort of behaviour i hold with no matter who's doing it.

so heres hoping they all work themselves in to such a religious fever they all spontaneously combust and piss off to their 99 virgins or whatever it is they go to and leave us all the hell alone.


Go Denmark!

 

[tris-]

ezteq, why did you slap me and then continue to damn me?

 

[Chronictank]

lol what a useless website....
you do realise the only ones you will be "hurting", will be the innocent Muslims who have nothing to do with the whole thing, i seriously doubt whoever owns that business will be hanging off a lampost yelling "down with denmark"

 

[Chronictank]

i wont post in this thread anymore as i said what i wanted to and likewise for other people.

At the end of the day you either believe in what you think is right, regardless whether it is or not

Or you are one of those unfortunate people who change their beliefs to what they are told to

 

[DocWolfe]

theres a big difference between bombing something and drawing a cartoon...

 

[Ormorof]

im unsure where the GOA thing comes into this?

hehe, i think he was suggestion that GOA employees have no souls?



i dont think people are going to change their minds quickly about the drawings, everyones invested too much time and effort to switch without feeling foolish (which most people dont like much )

 

[LordjOX]

I don't care if this is a thing about freedom of speach, u don't print or say anything that offends a group of people just to watch reactions.
This is a result of christian fundamentalists pissing off the muslim fundamentalists which then goes bananas. The whole situation is fucking ridiculous

 

[Tasslehoff]

This is a result of christian fundamentalists pissing off the muslim fundamentalists which then goes bananas. The whole situation is fucking ridiculous

Yes, JP are christian fundamentalists!

 

[Lethul]

tbh religion should be banned from mankind

such a nice and peaceful world, only thing bad about it would be that unemployment would go up as we wouldnt need an army/wpn factories etc

<-- atheist and proud of it!

 

[Hawkwind]

Muslims - arabs in general - going over the top again.

Arabs make up only a small percentage of the worlds muslims.

As someone who lives in the Middle East and has Arab friends here's my take on it. The cartoons were insensitive, the cartoonist/editor are stupid if they thought the reactions would be any different than we are seeing now. This 'prank' has given more ammunition to small minority of anti west hardline fundamentalist factions. Everytime something like this occurs it swells their ranks with more misguided brainwashed idiots. They hide behind the banner of Free Speech but incite religeous hatred. They are costing the Danish economy upwards of 1 million dollars a day in goods that are now bared in many countries. I hope they are proud of themselves and can hold their heads up high when confronted with the soon to be out of work families that may result.

However, cartoons have been put into Iranian newpapers depicting Jesus in a similar light so alot of these protests just smack of hipocracy to me and others that have seen them. Some muslims can be very short sighted when it comes to events like this. I showed the Iranian cartoons to a Arab friend and he was quite shocked. Jesus is actually the second most important prophet in the muslim faith so the Iranian papers that published them were breaking their own laws.

In the UAE it has been very peacefull, there are no protests or bans on Danish goods. Just shows you they are not all bad. In some resepcts I am glad they beginning to undestand that economic based protests do far more than a nutter with a bomb.