Offensive Muslim cartoon!

[Silverblast]

Its funny how skewed a view alot of people have about muslims, like one said, the press picks out the extremists and puts em all over the news to make it look like all muslims do that. I dont see a burned down danish embassy in the UAE ?

Alot of you fail to understand that theres a right to freedom of speech but there is also some boundaries which includes respect towards other people. You cant go to some stranger on the sidewalk and say : "Hey fuck you. Freedom of speech ya know." thats grounds for getting your ass kicked.

The people who drew these caricatures did not realise the importance of religion to the muslims, its a way of life and not to be taken lightly. What fired muslims up worldwide and not the extremists is when they refused to apologise, and rumour that danish people would protest and burn the Quran, yet another insult to islam.

Boycotting Danish goods is the least violent way of making them understand the importance of religion and an apology would have sufficed, then the french newspaper proceeded to publish the drawings again in SUPPORT of the Danish newspaper and NOT to show the world wtf is going on, unlike the other newspapers. And threats to burn the Quran rise, what do you expect of the muslim community, sit back and watch people mock them ?

Also discussing Syria in general along with any of their actions is useless, they are known to do crazy shit and this happened in a wrong time, so you can say SYRIANS instead of MUSLIMS .

 

[Steffan-]

Boycotting Danish goods is the least violent way of making them understand the importance of religion and an apology would have sufficed.

Don't you get that the boycot don't even involve the people who are guilty of pressing these cartoons?

 

[Silverblast]

Don't you get that the boycot don't even involve the people who are guilty of pressing these cartoons?

Oh I agree, but it indirectly affects the newspaper and all that was asked for was a simple apology. Or would you rather have the cartoonists jailed/killed ?

 

[Steffan-]

And that apology was given, maybe not as soon as the wanted to, but none the less, it was given.

And how does it affect the newspaper? Goodwill or ?

 

[Cozak]

Boycotting Danish goods is the least violent way of making them understand the importance of religion and an apology would have sufficed, then the french newspaper proceeded to publish the drawings again in SUPPORT of the Danish newspaper and NOT to show the world wtf is going on, unlike the other newspapers. And threats to burn the Quran rise, what do you expect of the muslim community, sit back and watch people mock them ?

Sure boycotts, yeah. Burning Embassies solves everything though, im sure if "western" religions really cared enough they could find all sorts of shit written about them in arab papers and on arab television etc.

 

[Silverblast]

Actually no, disrespect to any religion is strictly forbidden and the arab country will and must deal with the problem.

 

[Silverblast]

And that apology was given, maybe not as soon as the wanted to, but none the less, it was given.

And how does it affect the newspaper? Goodwill or ?

It was given after the french newpaper decided to publish the pictures and after Danish people threatened to burn the Quran.

The newspaper is held responsible for the loss of revenue.

 

[Steffan-]

you do know, that there was no public announcement about "lets burn the Koran!" in any danish newspaper og national TV?

 

[Darksword]

Darksword: Dukat obviously meant that the people burning flags and embassies expressed their anger in an uncivilised manner. This has no relevance to a muslim empire which, 6 centuries ago, was relatively sophisticated for it's age, nor is it relevant to muslim art, hospitality, etc.

I don't think the religion itself is to blame, but rather the fundamentalist interpretation of the religion. The islam* should adapt to the current climate. A lot of what Mohammed wrote, he wrote due to the context he lived in. People should realise that and just take the things which still have relevance in our current situation, instead of taking every word literally.

The crusade argument is silly. It happened centuries ago, current christians have nothing to do with the crusades. Yes, in it's history chrisianity has shown that it can be a bloodlusty religion as well. Luckily christianity has evolved and things like that don't happen any more.

*(fundamentalistic interpretation of the islam, not referring to all muslims)

unfortunatly he said ARABS IN GENERAL, which negates any way of covering this up, he made a retarded statement, based on nothing but bias media coverage, generalisations and lack of understanding.

yes the crusades thing is a bit tenuious, but people are forgetting that this all did happen, take more recent views, White men in africa, apartheid, America, brown vs board of education, the southern states, KKK, all recent history - im sorry but people are all far too quick to forget the bad parts and look down at other religions for actions which they themselves have carried out. heck, the crusades was advocated by the church for fucks sake, something that Islam isn't doing in this situation.

double standards and hypocrasy is what is causing all this in the first place, if the west stopped looking at islam as a inferior religion, and claiming there monopoly of the truth, the world would be a much safer place.

 

[Silverblast]

Yes Steffan but this : http://www.danskfront.dk/artikler.asp?artikelid=129 represents a decent portion of danish thought ?

 

[Steffan-]

Wouldn't say a decent... It's got about 40.000 hits, and that aint a large amount considering how many people that live in DK

 

[Shatari]

Oh I agree, but it indirectly affects the newspaper and all that was asked for was a simple apology. Or would you rather have the cartoonists jailed/killed ?

In my opinion it affects the newspaper little.
Also an apologise isn't so simple as you may think. When they asked for an apologise this subject had already been taken to a higher level, which included a request that there should be a ban/law preventing public newspapers publishing the prophet Muhammed.

JP (Jyllands Posten) is one of Denmarks larger newspapers, but there's still newspaper like Berlingske Tidende, Politiken and others that has more readers. Also note that there's even people who doesn't read newspapers, but stick to News channels.
This subject about the drawings of Muhammed, did take origin in JP. As said before the newspapers are NOT government controlled, but are companies just like any others. It saddens me that there has been given so much misguiding information, that people down there thinks what was published in JP, has anything to do with the government.
Also there's a blasphemy paragraph in Denmark which they could have refered to, and have gone to the court instead of starting what I personally would call their own private war.

Concerning the embassys in Syria, the demonstrations can't take place without the governments permission, which makes it even more idiotic. This has also been broadcasted on the TV2 news channel.
Read http://www.jp.dk/indland/artikel:aid=3538830:fid=11326/
(Article is in danish and is in JP)

I have fully understanding for that it hurts them, that some danes decided to spread rumours that they would burn the Quran in response for the muslims burning Danebrog (the name of the danish flag). It was a bad move from the nationalists and national-socialists to spread such rumours, as they only count less than 0,<something> overall. The main groups there was talk about here was DanskFront (national-socialists) and SIAD (an organisation that are against of Islam). None of these 2 groups has direct relation to the governement, if not at all. Also at that demonstration there was only counted around 70 people, but they didn't burn the Quran as this was prevented by the police.
The majority of danish people that had decided to demonstrate, didn't do it against islam or the Quran, but did instead pledge for respect for both religion aswell as for our right for freedom-of-speech.

 

[Silverblast]

Thats true, Im not trying to give an excuse here, but what probably happens in the west all the time, portraying of extremists in newspapers happened in arab newspapers.

 

[Tasslehoff]

Yes Steffan but this : http://www.danskfront.dk/artikler.asp?artikelid=129 represents a decent portion of danish thought ?

You say we shouldn't generalise muslims, what the fuck is this sentence doing then, if not generalising?

Besides, this was not an attack saying: Fuck all muslims, this was an article brought to show that freedom of speech shouldn't be bend because of few individuals' threats, following the Von Gogh-thing.

We don't want any censorship like they have in Italy, and we don't want no one to force any on us.

 

[Silverblast]

You say we shouldn't generalise muslims, what the fuck is this sentence doing then, if not generalising?

*points at the question mark*

 

[Tasslehoff]

*points at the question mark*

Then I can answer your question: no.

 

[Silverblast]

Thats true, Im not trying to give an excuse here, but what probably happens in the west all the time, portraying of extremists in newspapers happened in arab newspapers.

 

[Tasslehoff]

I hope we both agree that the pictures shows a mob destroying a danish embassy right?

If so, it is not just a "few" blownup extremists.

 

[Silverblast]

YOUR extremists, if a muslim reads a headline that a danish group threatens to burn the Quran it shouldnt be surprising that hed be quite enraged ?

 

[Tasslehoff]

YOUR extremists, if a muslim reads a headline that a danish group threatens to burn the Quran it shouldnt be surprising that hed be quite enraged ?

First off, the extremists have nothing to do with me in any way(neither any other of the danish public,) but use "your" as freely as you want to.

Then again, we read that extremists are decapitating europeans, kidnapping europeans and such. We read that they destroy our embassies. We might be enraged, but we still don't go out ravaging any muslim we see. They're generalising by having a go at any nation that has had a picture of Muhammed in their (free) press.

I don't condemn muslims or anything, I just strongly disagree with what's happening down there and I also feel our press should be allowed to write what they want to write, without having a forced censorship from some belief (in this case Islam.)

 

[Silverblast]

Nobody cares about forced censorship, respect towards other religions is what we want.

Have you read anything ? Its the series of these events that caused this commotion, if at first an apology was given none of this would have happened, and I said YOUR meaning Danish extremists, not extremists that you own -_-.

 

[Tasslehoff]

Nobody cares about forced censorship, respect towards other religions is what we want.

Have you read anything ? Its the series of these events that caused this commotion, if at first an apology was given none of this would have happened, and I said YOUR meaning Danish extremists, not extremists that you own -_-.

No, I haven't read a thing, merely scrolled and posted ...... (yes, this is sarcasm)

What you're (meaning the muslims) are trying to do is exactly forcing censorship. Don't you get that? Your dictating what our papers are allowed to write, and obviously I DO care about censorship.

The concept of freedom of speech is such, that it cannot be bend. That's what have gotten us as far as we are now. I'm not saying we should run about insulting everybody just for the sake of insulting, but the cartoons were meant as a protest against violence. It's obvious they didn't succeed...

 

[~Latency~]

Britain should be able to show whatever it wants... I would like to read these things in the papers or on the tv news... why should we bend or be afraid to do so... it is not an insult from english people to muslims.. we're just being informed of what's happening around the world.. and just for doing so, violent Muslims are threating with death and violence.. it is ridiculous!

A lot of Islamic states are WAY behind the western world... hilarious to see various Muslim groups calling for the "correct punishment" .. the guy who did the comics grave will read "beheaded because of a cartoon" :d

 

[Silverblast]

And our protests are against disrespect towards religion, thats not very hard to absorb ?

 

[Tasslehoff]

A lot of Islamic states are WAY behind the western world... hilarious to see various Muslim groups calling for the "correct punishment" .. the guy who did the comics grave will read "beheaded because of a cartoon" :d

Yes, of course. Bastard, walking around painting and all!

 

[Tasslehoff]

And our protests are against disrespect towards religion, thats not very hard to absorb ?

Burning buildings generated respect back in the first centuries, luckily the world has changed.

 

[Silverblast]

Britain should be able to show whatever it wants... I would like to read these things in the papers or on the tv news... why should we bend or be afraid to do so... it is not an insult from english people to muslims.. we're just being informed of what's happening around the world.. and just for doing so, violent Muslims are threating with death and violence.. it is ridiculous!

A lot of Islamic states are WAY behind the western world... hilarious to see various Muslim groups calling for the "correct punishment" .. the guy who did the comics grave will read "beheaded because of a cartoon" :d

As many other newspapers did, publishing to show people what muslims are annoying about and to inform with clear intentions its alright. However publishing in support of the mockery of islam is quite fucked up..

 

[~Latency~]

And our protests are against disrespect towards religion, thats not very hard to absorb ?

Well this is England.. i'm sure if this awesome modern country is too much for people to handle, and our way of life/the law is not what Muslims like.. you know where the door is, so to speak! Bit harsh but you could do a WHOLE LOT WORSE by going to Islamic states for life.. I don't travel somewhere then complain about how it works... because I am a "guest" there, it's not my place to be a whiney moron

EDIT : protesting is fine... when it gets to anything more than that, threats or violence.. then you should leave i m o

 

[Silverblast]

Burning buildings generated respect back in the first centuries, luckily the world has changed.

Stubborn..

 

[Shatari]

YOUR extremists, if a muslim reads a headline that a danish group threatens to burn the Quran it shouldnt be surprising that hed be quite enraged ?

True, however the muslims did in first place burn the flag. The danish rumours around burning the Quran happened afterwards, but was (as said before) prevented during the demonstration by the police.
The muslim extremists did REALLY piss off the nationalists and national-socialist extremists there. For me the danish flag is just a flag, but if we should go back in/to history, then I can tell the danish flag is one of the oldest and is said actually to be THE oldest, along with that the history says that it was a heavenly gift sent down from heaven during war and lead us to victories against our foes.

You can of course say JP was responsible for this starting, and that they are the true troublemakers. Whetever people disagree or agree with this is a matter of opinion.