Offensive Muslim cartoon!

[remi]

bit sick of ze reliogouis extremes by now

 

[orlyyarly]

Basically we have as much right to riot as they have, they are attempting to remove our rights of free-speech. I don't see any of us going around burning Mosques etc.

Please if there are any Muslim people playing DAOC voice your opinions. Do you think the burning of the Danish Embassy is just and how all those who have shown it must die?

Not to mention pictures of Mohammed or who-ever(sorry not too good on muslim names) have been drawn throughout history even by Muslims....

 

[Thadius]

I like what the trial of The British National Party leader, Nick Griffin, said

I do not stir up racial hatred. I dont need to, it already exists.

Yet people jump on his back and say nhes racist but muslims can basically get away with murder and the government thinks thats ok

Im sick of all this minority bollocks, if they dont like this country and its way of life, they can fuck off back to the land of thier forefathers.

But no, they wont, too busy lining up at the dole hole for thier weekly handout

 

[Rellik]

The "extreme" Muslims should wake up and see what age they live in its not the middle ages anymore.

How ever its not only the "extreme" Muslims that are going mental over these very harmless cartoons, its 80-90% of them.

Saw a huge mass off people demonstrating and burning Danish / Norwegian / Swedish flags. And judging by the numbers its not just a few "extremists" its the lot of them.

I really hope the Scandinavian people see these "extremists" as a problem before its to late..

 

[Haggus]

Rellik get on MSN x<

 

[Ironfalcon]

The "extreme" Muslims should wake up and see what age they live in its not the middle ages anymore.

How ever its not only the "extreme" Muslims that are going mental over these very harmless cartoons, its 80-90% of them.

Saw a huge mass off people demonstrating and burning Danish / Norwegian / Swedish flags. And judging by the numbers its not just a few "extremists" its the lot of them.

I really hope the Scandinavian people see these "extremists" as a problem before its to late..

yes I also saw this same demonstration.. burning pictures of our prime minister Anders Fogh, our flags, (aswell as norweigan, and swedish flag) screaming death over Denmark, Death over USA.. and now im wondering.. actually USA stood away from these cartoons (wonder why since denmark, has been the only true allie, apart from Britain, in the iraq war) these people will find any excuse to call a jihad...

but also I can see if the Jylland posten (danish newpaper who printet the cartoons) said fuck muslim, fuck mohammed, fuck islam.. etc etc etc..

this all started as a article about drawers who where afraid to post pictures for a new book, about mohammed.. as i've said earlier.. but most of these people ( 80-90%) are misinformed, the last 10-20% just look for any excuse to riot..

 

[Tasslehoff]

This Muslim-way of trying to bend the freedom of speech in our countries, should result in an all-europe boycot of the countries that are boycutting Denmark. I totally think it was okay to post the pictures Jyllands Posten posted, they got a point across and it seems this was just the catalyst for something that has been under the surface for a long time.

I'm really sad for all the people affected by this, but as a half-israelian I'm also kind of glad, as the western community get to see what kind of shit they're dealing with down there. Maybe it'll stop some of the pro-palestinian people, you can't try to stop a war with people that burn buildings for a fucking painting.
You can't stop a war, with people that put in a terrorist-group as leaders.

Well, back to the point. I think it's sad to see, how many people show up saying "sorry", there's nothing to be sorry about. It was a fucking drawing, I wouldn't give a rat's arse if they showed Jesus having sex with some other guy or whatever, I'd probably just laugh. The Korran(sp?) says you can't draw Muhammed, doesen't say shit about any other people than the actual followers of it. Doesen't say "go to holy war against painters of Muhammed" or anything like that.

 

[orlyyarly]

is someone gonna come burn down my house now?

 

[Ironfalcon]

is someone gonna come burn down my house now?

see.. I just laughed for a bit, because its so damn stupid.. so are the drawings posted in jyllands posten.. i'd been wanting to say, that I think those drawings are funny.. but I know im gonna be misunderstood.. but let me try to explain why I think they are funny..

The reason they where made, was because of the fear, from doing so... and drawers made these, with an ironic sense of humor.. im not saying they are funny, because they are making fun of Mohammed, but they are fun, because of the situation.. if that makes any sense?



Here is the pictures so you can see what im talking about..

 

[~Latency~]

is someone gonna come burn down my house now?

Yes! :<

 

[Ironfalcon]

Yes! :<

Have a chuck Norris fact..

Chuck Norris dont go hunting, because thats a possible failure, Chuck Norris goes killing

 

[FallycSymbol]

It's so retarded how this whole situation exploded all of a sudden, those pictures were shown quite a while ago so the timing is kind of random. I guess the fact that we actually have freedom of speech and our prime minister can't control what is printed in the newspapers is a paradigm to them, I'm just hoping that this whole situation doesn't escalate any more.

 

[Ormorof]

saw a picture of a guy dressed up as a suicide bomber outside the danish embassy in london.... HELLO?!?! a dude got shot for wearing a big coat on a summers day and these guys think its a good idea to dress up as suicide bombers???

also find it kinda hypocritical that they are protesting against being portrayed as suicide bombers and "barbarians" by issuing bomb and death threats

 

[Blackjack]

I kept out of this discussion until now. I don't usually take an extreme aproach to these things. But the hole cartoon thing is just so hyped out of proportion it is ridiculous. The muslims was just looking for an excuse to go nuts. Today it was said that this goes way beyond the drawings and that islamic extremists want a direct confrontation with the "christian world" and tbh if that was they want.. they will choke our rivers with their dead. We will open an unimaginable can'o'whoopass. My advice is sit down, relax and shut the fuck up. We know you dont like the drawings, but burning down embassies.. please get a grip.

 

[Tasslehoff]

My advice is sit down, relax and shut the fuck up. We know you dont like the drawings

Rofl

Can't give you more rep!

 

[Steffan-]

they should remove that "you gotta spread some more reputation around" thing fyi Blackjack

 

[Shatari]

1) The drawings and the demonstrations

The drawings of the muslim prophet Mohammad was posted in JP (Jyllands Posten) and was done so because a book writter couldn't get his book finanically supported because of it's content. Read http://www.jp.dk/meninger/ncartikel:aid=3527566
This article does however only tell a little part of it. Sorry, I can't be arsed to dig down to find all articles concerning this subject.

An imamer decided to get back to his country, and tell about this.
This is ok, we got freedom of speech, so no problem. What there's so ridicolous about this, is that he didn't inform them about how things actually are controlled here. The newspapers has NOTHING to do with the government, but yet in Syrien I believe (?), they've announced in a newspaper that it was a government controlled commercial to boycut the muslims.

2) The boycut of Arla

Arla is a producent of milk, and along with a few other scandinavian products, has been boycutted because of the whole story of the drawings of the prophet Mohammad.
It resulted in that the Swedish and Norwegian supported us by publishing the drawings in their newspapers in a protest in what the muslim countries did.
There has been drawings of the prophet Mohammad in the french (or was it the english?) press, but was taken back with an apologise, and the one that has been in charge of publishing it, was fired.

3) Burning down the embassys

What happenend later was that some danes decided to send around sms messages, which contained words about a demonstration where people should burn the Koran because the muslims burned down our flag.
These messages mainly came from people which has roots in DanskFront (Danish Front) or other with this "political" way of thinking (nationalists and national-socialists). DanishFront is national-socialistic, which should tell it all... they count a VERY little percentage of the danish people. Actually their number is less than 0,<something>
www.danskfront.dk if you want to read about it. It's in danish though.

This resulted in the muslims sended messages to their countries, and is what the danish News channels says MAY have been the reason, why they burned down our embassys.

According to B.T (Berlingske Tidende) there is over 15.000 demonstrants taking part in demonstration in Libanon. Read http://www.bt.dk/nyheder/artikel:aid=418772:fid=100300456/

 

[Chronictank]

This Muslim-way of trying to bend the freedom of speech in our countries, should result in an all-europe boycot of the countries that are boycutting Denmark. I totally think it was okay to post the pictures Jyllands Posten posted, they got a point across and it seems this was just the catalyst for something that has been under the surface for a long time.

I'm really sad for all the people affected by this, but as a half-israelian I'm also kind of glad, as the western community get to see what kind of shit they're dealing with down there. Maybe it'll stop some of the pro-palestinian people, you can't try to stop a war with people that burn buildings for a fucking painting.
You can't stop a war, with people that put in a terrorist-group as leaders.

if the East was to boycot the "West" then the economy in the majority of the world leaders will be destroyed, so in reality denmark and its allies cant boycot them.
Don't believe me? there was a small decrease in oil exports due to the Iraq war and oil prices shot up, now what do you think will happen if all the Asian world (the majority contributer to the global oil supply) would stop all oil exports.
You could probably count the years on one hand before a certain country decides to follow the "western way" and invade Asia, worked in Iraq didnt it? And thats the beginning of the end, push someone into a corner and they will use extreme methods, i.e a nuclear holocaust

But yes they went OTT, none the less its nothing to do with free-speech. This is inciting religious hatred, which is also why parties like the BNP, KKK and that tard of a cleric with one eye and a hook cant preach their shit in public.

 

[Gajinn]

firstly there is only a small minority of >>extremists<< who exist in every faith and culture spewing rubbish again which the media decides to pick on as it sells papers.
The vast majority of muslims have no intention of strapping bombs to their chests and running through the streets shouting jihad.

As for the cartoon it is racist and never should have been aired especially in todays political climate, its only purpose was to provoke a responce from the muslim community to get attention

do you honestly believe nazi comics released in germany would be allowed to shown on national tv today?
or maybe a few KKK videos just for the fun of it?

<stumbles off to feed the infidel western journalist hidden in my basement>

Small extremist group? Or a rampant mob pillaging other countries embassies?

Racist? Do you even know the meaning of the word?

The fact is that this is an attack on the freedom of speech, stop comparing it to things that are nothing like it.

 

[Darksword]

Muslims - arabs in general - going over the top again.

They should learn to grow up and learn to express they're displeasure in a civilised manner, they are acting like fucking barbarians from the stone age.

the only thing that makes western societys answer to displeasure look "sophisticated" or "just" is the fact that they have billions of dollars backing there wars, and they have a 'unified' body taking them to war.

1) Barbarian definition is

Definitions of barbarian on the Web:

savage: a member of an uncivilized people
peasant: a crude uncouth ill-bred person lacking culture or refinement
without civilizing influences; "barbarian invaders"; "barbaric practices"; "a savage people"; "fighting is crude and uncivilized especially if the weapons are efficient"-Margaret Meade; "wild tribes"

the Eastern world is highly civilised, they're history goes way back, having many of the first empires and most succesful, they have fine arts and many that meet the people actually praise them for the kindness and hospitality. The persians go back thousands of years, and all over the world they are praised for there art work, rugs, cuisine, and history, one of the firsts if not the first if i remember correctly, to have prisoners of war, and to give them certain rights. But im sure they are barbaric. Also, "ill-bred person lacking culture or refinement" would more suit you, for one thing you dont even seem to realise that muslims are actually spread out across the world, not to mention not all are arabic, AND! the largest Islamic state in the world, Iran, arent even arabs, they are persians.

Now consider that Iraq, is a very new country, set up by britain etc, its not a unified counry in any way. All the problems of Iraq can be traced back to the western world, Sadam, the seperation of kurds, the two branchs of islam, and now civil unrest. but sure go ahead and blame them.

who is they exactly? a handful of the muslim population who have taken to the streets, i personally have spoken to muslims about this, and although many are appauled by the treatment they are receiving in the western, and from the western world, they dont want a war, Muslims are peaceful, as is defined, outlined and practiced by there religion. But im sure you have a far greater grasp of islam, christianity and religion as a whole than someone that actually understands and takes interest in it. Infact i challenge you to find one credible religious scholar that would define islam as barbaric.

i accept that a few muslims are causing a problem for the religion, but the same can be said about christianity, such as the new right in America? only difference is the media doesnt depict them so negatively, the reason? Fox news and G.W.Bush. Question your sources, beliefs and ideas, learn and grow before u criticise something as important in the world as a religion.

The cartoon is very negative, but, muslims have to accept that they have been taken to war by america, and theres nothing they can do about it, the world is going to see them in a negative light, there flaws highlighted for the benefit of america, and there triumphs played down, indeed possibly for the next century. It will be a bad time for Islam, one that history wont forget, but the best they can do is get on and just ignore the western world. The outcry from muslims is a bad thing, reflects on the religion badly, and was/is a bad move. Equally the western world is far more to blame, the prophet muhammed with a bomb strapped to his head (what ive heard, nto seen it personally, only on the news briefly) is absolutly disgraceful. Why not Moses whipping the slaves? Jesus tieing Caeser to a crucifix or going to africa and setting people on fire? The pope raping nuns, budha hitting someone. True religious figures were and all are against all actions of hate, thats undeniable, Qhomainie, Qhotamie, they arent real religious figures, they are leaders of a religious state, just like sadam.

Theres huge amounts i could write about this, books even, which ahve been written plenty of times. Meh

 

[Gajinn]

=Chronictank

But yes they went OTT, none the less its nothing to do with free-speech. This is inciting religious hatred, which is also why parties like the BNP, KKK and that tard of a cleric with one eye and a hook cant preach their shit in public.

Nothing to do with free speech? Last time someone was judged by some sort of blasphemy law here in Norway was some 70 years ago I think, Im not for turning the clock backwards thank you very much.

And as for inciting religious hatred, have you seen the front page of France Soir which got the editor fired? I think it summed it up nicely. It had god, Jesus, Muhammed and Moses on a cloud, where god said to Muhammed "its okay lad, we've all been made fun of before". Sheesh.

 

[Gajinn]

Oh, and when we're on the subject, I really didnt see the outrage when Bibles were burned in the Paris suburbs by Muslim school kids some time ago. Where was all the condemning then?

 

[Darksword]

stupid thing is about this hole thing is that they are going off their tits not because of the fact they take the piss out of the religeon but the fact they show mohammed in pictures which is agains their rules, ohh yea but over the last hundres and hundreds of years their has been thousands of paintings and drawings that have never had a word said about them, even drawn by the muslims themselfs ... so why the fuck kick off now?

what?! the depiction of Mohamed is a major part of the religion, the worship of man is seen as offending the worship of Allah. Not one muslim has drawn a picture of mohamed, if they have they know nothing about the religion and his teachings, and most likely, arent a muslim.

 

[ilaya]

anyone see the demonstrations outside the danish embassy in london?

1 guy had a placard with: Europe is a cancer, Islam is the answer

really? fuck off then

they are extremist nutjobs.. nothing else. their views are not those of the muslim community in general. sure they were offended but the nutjobs have gone waaaaay OTT.

i mean.. u dont see christian extremists burning down the Viz offices do you?

think they need to get pissed at the pub myself, have a laugh... ooops

 

[Steffan-]

You could probably count the years on one hand before a certain country decides to follow the "western way" and invade Asia, worked in Iraq didnt it?

AFAIK, the countries in question aint part of Asia, but part of the Middle East...

 

[Darksword]

i mean.. u dont see christian extremists burning down the Viz offices do you?

no, u just see them setting fire to africans God loves the crusades

 

[Jarahl]

i mean.. u dont see christian extremists burning down the Viz offices do you?

Not that Im siding with the muslims, but the Crusades did happen, where christians marched on the middle east because they were pegans and we had every "right" to convert them

Now for my side of this story.

Myself is danish, and been stationed in Iraq for nearly 6 months now. However for the first time down here im actually afraid for my life. Things has gotten completely out of control! Even a guy who I worked together with for 6 months now has started being less and less helpfull. Not that he was my friend or anything, but all these stupid actions has made all our work down here creeping down the drain. Now we are even more hated than the americans.

I just hope for the sake of my life and other soldiers that this thing is dealt with sooner than later, hopefully before anyone gets killed.

 

[noblok]

Darksword: Dukat obviously meant that the people burning flags and embassies expressed their anger in an uncivilised manner. This has no relevance to a muslim empire which, 6 centuries ago, was relatively sophisticated for it's age, nor is it relevant to muslim art, hospitality, etc.

I don't think the religion itself is to blame, but rather the fundamentalist interpretation of the religion. The islam* should adapt to the current climate. A lot of what Mohammed wrote, he wrote due to the context he lived in. People should realise that and just take the things which still have relevance in our current situation, instead of taking every word literally.

The crusade argument is silly. It happened centuries ago, current christians have nothing to do with the crusades. Yes, in it's history chrisianity has shown that it can be a bloodlusty religion as well. Luckily christianity has evolved and things like that don't happen any more.

*(fundamentalistic interpretation of the islam, not referring to all muslims)

 

[Steffan-]

The crusade argument is silly. It happened centuries ago, current christians have nothing to do with the crusades. Yes, in it's history chrisianity has shown that it can be a bloodlusty religion as well. Luckily christianity has evolved and things like that don't happen any more.

True, so just because the crusades did happend, that justifies the deaths of thousand of people if that was the case?

 

[Cozak]

what?! the depiction of Mohamed is a major part of the religion, the worship of man is seen as offending the worship of Allah. Not one muslim has drawn a picture of mohamed, if they have they know nothing about the religion and his teachings, and most likely, arent a muslim.

http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

Yeah and all the extremists going around saying that the Kuran tells them to kill anyone who doesnt agree with them totally understand their religion, and interpret it correctly.

True, so just because the crusades did happend, that justifies the deaths of thousand of people if that was the case?

Times change, we are supposed to live in a much more civilised world now, but not according to muslims I guess.