Off-topic Mafia #8 Game Thread

[Olgaline]

Ok lets look at constructivity here shall we ?

what have I offed through the pages of theories & suggestions and things that might benifit the town shall we ?

I started off by saying that i thought a no-lynch would be the best policy due to number of players
"I still stand by this"
altho now I have changed my mind due to resent events that sway me to suspec toht due to his very agressive persute of me after I gave my honest opinion. of wich he either A: found offensive and thus wants to see me hung or B: Thought to use as a tool/reason to advocate why i should be lynched "with a look he must be guilty!:

my suspecion was strengthend that toht might be mafia after english's vote "sneaky vote" wich seemed a little bit to well timed after levin had placed his vote:

anyway lets continue shall we:
now at the beggining i did state that a cop claim might be the best option yet i actually at risk changed my opinion on this and gave very good reasons why a cop should not go off proclaiming who he is but instead lead other in the right direction. and again for soem reason toht would have you belive that changing your mind is somehow automatic evidence of guilt "look he flip floped guilty!" yet I'd challenge that and say changing you mind can very well be the right thing to do, hell even the smart thing as a townie.

moving on:

I tried to tell him I had someone els under suspecion, but he wasnt having any off it!
infact he's tied my hands now into a situation where i could not argue that case as that would have had me well lynched by now "altho that person now seems a little or alot less guilty due to his actions since"

moving on:

after the apparent majority werent accepting my suggestion of a no lynch I asked then who and why..and the reply came

Oh i dunno. Anyone is as good as anyone. Straws?

to wich i provided some at least basic reasoning "at the time"
going through us one by one.

I stated I would not reveal my role, and i still wont explain this till later as the reason behind it can be used against the town. but if you take a sec to think about it you can figure it out and well should really help you see/guess that i'm a townie and even maybe wich type.

moving on:

as I've mentioned loads of times but toht will have you forget this little tidbit is:
I could esily have jumped on golena back then and later on english yet I havent done so.
instead i gave an honest opinion wich sparked all of this: from a mob perspective does that make any sence ? what so ever ? no!

moving on:
he says I'm constantly *saying mafia would* well duh!!
thats what theorizing is! what am I gona say ? the clowns are comming ? come on!'
a weak attempt at poitning blame at best!

I've questioned his accussations time and time again. yet all i get each time is you didnt answer the question, then a pause and then some new twist to my reply "double back through the pages and you'll see this clear as day!"

exapmle: He said I'm pushing the I'm not mafia, I asked when that as a reason ahs ever resulted in a positive mob lynch?

heres the answer "notice how a simple striat up question is turned around to an acccusational suspecion"

1: What? I said you keep pushing that "i'm not mafia" thing too much. Simple as that. It was an additional reason.
2: Adds to point 1.

ah well i could go on..
but the simple fact is that from page 3 all tohts been doing is fishing and trying to turn what I'm saying into something that will make me seem guilty
so the question is who do you belive him or me or maybe a third take if so do share

 

[Olgaline]

Well hell...*puts down tactical nuke*...that actually makes sense

oi! I've already paid for the anti balistics here!

 

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unvote olgaline

need to have a good read

 

[Olgaline]

But ok,
it seems i got through to golena and yes levin I did mean you!
but your quick removal of your vote for me after calo's vote has me confused
as it would very much have been a freebie for the you as the mafia to have me lynched and point the finger at toht on day two:

and thats what I've ment by having my hands tied as with toht and calo on my back and if you actually are mafia and your accomplis hasnt voted eyt well then it's an easy ticket isnt it ?

so atm I'm just not sure

 

[old.Tohtori]

Olgaline there's too many inconcistencies(example: i never spoke of your cop thing at all) and such on that post that i'm not gonna answer it point by point, people can read the stuff on their own.

You can't deny i have fair points on you being mafia on that list.

Also, could you PLEASE post two things:

Reasons for me being mafia.
Things i haven't answered as you claim.

And yes, i still think it's f*cked up you'd see me hang innocent or not.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And all i've been doing since page 3 is two things: Try to get you answer some accusations and try to figure out why would you act so stupid as to use "innocent or not, his hanging would be good" as any reason.

 

[Olgaline]

I have already given reasons as to why i could see you as being mafia and even who your accomplis could/might be, so cba to repeat that, if you wish go read back it's stated clearly many times.

now for something more important:
Ok maybe that comment was abit over the line, and if you took offence then I geniuenlly really am sorry, it was mostly from a purelly tactical pov, I mean look at us we'r on page 11 and none the wiser really. and yes for better or worse you do often confuse me more than clerify things. so from that perspective it would make it easier.
Is that due/down to a difference of styles pov and language ? most proberly yes. so aye maybe it was abit to blunt and honest, and for that i do appoligize. or maybe we'r jsut more alike than either of us would ever want to admit.

anyway thats it basicly

 

[Golena]

I guess it's time to ask ourselves the question.

Do we want to dump from the game the person who we least want in the next round, or the person who is most likely to be a member of the mafia at the moment?

Olgaline is starting to look more and more suspicious to me, but my vote stays on Levin since I think there's the greatest chance so far he's mafia.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I have already given reasons as to why i could see you as being mafia and even who your accomplis could/might be, so cba to repeat that, if you wish go read back it's stated clearly many times.

now for something more important:
Ok maybe that comment was abit over the line, and if you took offence then I geniuenlly really am sorry, it was mostly from a purelly tactical pov, I mean look at us we'r on page 11 and none the wiser really. and yes for better or worse you do often confuse me more than clerify things. so from that perspective it would make it easier.
Is that due/down to a difference of styles pov and language ? most proberly yes. so aye maybe it was abit to blunt and honest, and for that i do appoligize. or maybe we'r jsut more alike than either of us would ever want to admit.

anyway thats it basicly

Didn't took offence, just thought you were being a dick about it.

Taking this game into metagaming levels for tactical reasons is BAD sportsmanship. That, all.

About you not posting clearly to my questions, well...go figure...typing must be really hard and to return a favor i've done many times would maybe be uncharasteristic. You've only said i'm mafia because i think you're not innocent. That it.

 

[Olgaline]

Didn't took offence, just thought you were being a dick about it.

Taking this game into metagaming levels for tactical reasons is BAD sportsmanship. That, all.

About you not posting clearly to my questions, well...go figure...typing must be really hard and to return a favor i've done many times would maybe be uncharasteristic. You've only said i'm mafia because i think you're not innocent. That it.

oh for crying out loud!
if this is the level of pettyness your gona stop to
never mind!

we'r in a game thread and you just cant let it go ?
I gave an honest and maybe abit blunt opinion of wich I've even appoligized for and retracted and thats you responce ???

 

[Olgaline]

And no you would be very much incorrect in stating that thats the only reason I vote for you.

yes it started as a simple a logical retaliation, but taken whats happend since all i can say is that your either dead set on seeing my hung reguardless or mafia

and tbh I'm starting to think that maybe a mod kill on the both of us would be the best option about now.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Your "apology" was half hearted at best, saying "it was just tactical" not to mention "if you took offence" which i didn't.

I said what your comment was, pure and simple. Nothing petty or "stooping" about it. Just an "honest opinion".

But nice way to avoid the issue again. Asking me to post my reasonings many times, and when i do, not noting them at all, yet when i ask for you to once write down your reasonings, it's "go read up".

Or is it because you simply can't A: Come up with a reason and B: Can't answer the accusations because they are infact, facts.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And no you would be very much incorrect in stating that thats the only reason I vote for you.

yes it started as a simple a logical retaliation, but taken whats happend since all i can say is that your either dead set on seeing my hung reguardless or mafia

and tbh I'm starting to think that maybe a mod kill on the both of us would be the best option about now.

Hah, that's rich. If you want out of the game, go ahead. I'm playing the game and so far, doing a pretty damn good job of showing you as an avoiding weasel.

I've never claimed you as mafia, i've claimed i have my suspicions of you and asked if you could leviate them. No.

 

[Golena]

Well since I don't believe both of you are mafia, or it's been very well played, so voting for either of you would be statistically unwise, although it might end this nonsense and be worth it.

 

[Olgaline]

yet you keep at it:
LETS HANG OLGA!!!

lets not look at aaaanyone els exept olga, lets forget the fact there is Nothing to suggest any stratagy by olga lets forget theres no obviouse accomplis infact none at all thats even slightly tried to help me even from the get go I've been in full oposition even as far backa s the no-lynch talks

i could have gone for golena I havent, I could have gone for english I havent i could have gone for Levin I havent!

I brought up wich for me at least is a solid peice of stratagy from a cops perspective wich can only ever be to the towns advantage yet again this is ignored?

How long must i keep defending my self from these relentles attacks by toht due to one single comment ?

 

[old.Tohtori]

yet you keep at it:
LETS HANG OLGA!!!

No i don't. I didn't. Never.

Only thing i'm keeping is my vote, as are you.

I've never said "come people, he's mafia, hang him!!"

I've simply asked you to asnwer to accusations, not just say "you're twisting!"

Only thing here, is me, my vote, and you'd get it off your back very simply by acutally doing something else then avoid and counterclaim everything with lies.

How long must i keep defending my self from these relentles attacks by toht due to one single comment ?

Wasn't due to one comment either, i was suspicious before, as i said on that "one comment". Then you added more to the fire(jumping on the Levin is a crook claim asa Levin voted for you).

Simple hmm?

And for gods sake don't answer this, very calmly, very simply put answer with "He's doing it again!"

 

[Olgaline]

Hah, that's rich. If you want out of the game, go ahead. I'm playing the game and so far, doing a pretty damn good job of showing you as an avoiding weasel.

oh your not offended at all!
I can see that,
so now we'r down to name calling ?
very mature indeed

I've never claimed you as mafia, i've claimed i have my suspicions of you and asked if you could leviate them. No.

no? really? I'd argue otherwise infact I'll even proove it

Yeah, i think we're done here, if this doesn't prove to people you'r not all "pure and daisies", nothing will.

and other than that you've insinuated it repeatedly so thats really a preatty silly comment now isnt it ?

 

[old.Tohtori]

oh your not offended at all!
I can see that,
so now we'r down to name calling ?
very mature indeed

no? really? I'd argue otherwise infact I'll even proove it

and other than that you've insinuated it repeatedly so thats really a preatty silly comment now isnt it ?

I'm not offended. Weasel=mobster=same deal and that comment about "not pure and daisies" is eamnt towards you not even trying to be reasonable and you having a lot of "secrets" around you.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And if i've insuniated that you're mafia, i've done it in a minimal factor compared to you and i've not called on people to vote for you or "look at him doing this" in the extent as you.

Like i said, you're naming me for your actions all the time.

 

[Olgaline]

and yet again I'd offer up that we cool down and see what the rest have to say and move on,

but I'm guessing you'll be having none of it?

fact is we'r at the edge of ruining a perfectly good game due to neither backing down and this is getting imo more and more personal so why not stop it here ?

this is the third time and final time i offer this:
but i will still always defend my self:

 

[Olgaline]

And if i've insuniated that you're mafia, i've done it in a minimal factor compared to you and i've not called on people to vote for you or "look at him doing this" in the extent as you.

Like i said, you're naming me for your actions all the time.

why do you consistantly refuse to acknowlage what I've written to proove that I'm a townie ?

you just throw in another attack ?
you've only vaugely insinuated? oh come'on now!!


each and every post by you has been a vague insinuation then

 

[old.Tohtori]

Heh, ain't that nice.

I've offered it too! Many times, yet, you have to answer with some "and yes, you're mafia looking still" comment. How about you back the f*ck off?

Not ruining anything, i'm not taking it personal and i AM cool.

Even in your "generous" offer to let things go you put a little "but i bet YOU won't" in there.

I don't back down because you haven't answered anything, this is about me, wanting answers from you, and fidning out for myself. You want this to end? Easy, answer.

 

[old.Tohtori]

why do you consistantly refuse to acknowlage what I've written to proove that I'm a townie ?

Because oyu haven't done one of them.

 

[Olgaline]

well then by all means lets keep dancing this silly dance then.

how many more times should we repeat the same words and meseges in a new form ?

 

[Olgaline]

Because oyu haven't done one of them.

ok boss?
now go back and read up!
and try again.


that comment is getting old and silly fast!

 

[Golena]

Toht,

If you want an answer now can you please write it in a nice bullet point style form in your next post.
I can't be bothered to read through another 5 pages of personal insults that don't tell us anything other than you 2 don't like each other.

At this point I don't even know what you asked him anymore, probably because my brain oodled out my ears 3 pages ago.

I don't even know why i'm bothering to post however since i'm not insulting one of you it's probably going to get ignored again.

 

[Olgaline]

you say I havent I say I have

I say your looking to have me hung, you say your not,
i say you've been relentless i think only you would disagree with that
I say that if we'r going to compare you and I then ther sure is more proof to suggest your mafia than to suggest that I am.

all you've come up with are vague suspecions about me.
I've actually pen on pair theorized that it could be a setup from you and english and even gave an example of that.


and the BIG whoop I'm willing to entertian that you might not be mafia,
but you are dead set on me, no matter what i say no matter how i say what others suggest or i bring to the table,

Noooo it's gotta be olga!

so your still on relentlesly persuing vague accusations and a hunch where as I've actually brought up a theory and backed it up with info ..

hmmm....

 

[old.Tohtori]

Toht,

If you want an answer now can you please write it in a nice bullet point style form in your next post.
I can't be bothered to read through another 5 pages of personal insults that don't tell us anything other than you 2 don't like each other.

At this point I don't even know what you asked him anymore, probably because my brain oodled out my ears 3 pages ago.

I don't even know why i'm bothering to post however since i'm not insulting one of you it's probably going to get ignored again.

The thing is, i did, but he refuses to answer any of those.

That's why it's been going on for so long, i've asked ismple things and got nothing. There's also nothing personal here from my part, pushing is a tactic and it works for me.

But, here goes again...

Olgaline:

- Did you not claim the "testing waters" after i called you on it?
- Did you not insinuate Levin as my "mafia buddy" after he voted for you after me?
- Did you not post all the time, that mafia would do this, i surely wouldn't?
- Did you not say you'd see me hang innocent or not?(tactic point of view)
- Could you please post reasons for my hanging as i do?

Can't remember the rest...but try that for start.

 

[Olgaline]

Toht,

If you want an answer now can you please write it in a nice bullet point style form in your next post.
I can't be bothered to read through another 5 pages of personal insults that don't tell us anything other than you 2 don't like each other.

At this point I don't even know what you asked him anymore, probably because my brain oodled out my ears 3 pages ago.

I don't even know why i'm bothering to post however since i'm not insulting one of you it's probably going to get ignored again.

this is exacly it, he didnt ask, he accused
witht he "list" I in a later post adressed it
now looking at that "list" remeber he composed it" it's not a collection of quotes or references it's just picked here and there. anyoen can do this from the amount of text especially vs someone set in a position where he ahs to vigerously defend him self as i have:


here's the list and as i said It's been adressed through the pages by me as best i could

You only claimed the "testing waters" after i told you i voted for you to do so.
You came up with the "i was testing you!" after i voted you, as you said, by my gut.
You went off the tangent when i did what YOU asked to do.
You keep claiming "not mafia not mafia", always have, almost every post.
You seem to have no "opinion" on the "mishap" of saying i should hang regardless.

 

[Olgaline]

I've adressed each and every one of tho's runnign but ok lets recap again agian! and well maybe once more after this anyone ?

You only claimed the "testing waters" after i told you i voted for you to do so.

it's been answered: i said, why would i proclaim tasting waters in advance ?

You came up with the "i was testing you!" after i voted you, as you said, by my gut.

this one i dont even get! please show me this and I'll adress it then.

You went off the tangent when i did what YOU asked to do.
You keep claiming "not mafia not mafia", always have, almost every post.
You seem to have no "opinion" on the "mishap" of saying i should hang regardless

this bit is an opinion nothing more and as I've said to death when did this ever proove anything? it's nothing more than a vague accusation from someone who hasnt anything better to back up his accusation.