Off-topic Mafia #6 Game Thread

[Calo]

Aye, Levin does make sense, I was just suprised that people thought i voted on english while i voted on nobody. I even made a last post with an unvote just to not let the day end. But it was too late apparantly cause toht had ended it already.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I should add that i found the "oops we caused a novote day" actions is what made me most suspicious.

This was simply 'cause i didn't remember that 4 votes were enough. Our alst game took what, 6 votes? I followed the novote with others.

About the rest(takes breath):

My first thought about Calo was simply because English had voted for him. Looking at Calo then with the motive "he voted for me so i killed him mafia style" was the only thing I could come up with.

Then I read the thread again.

And it seems to me like there were two "camps" with English + Cornokz on one side, and ECA + Tohtori on the other. Knowing English was our doc, I conclude that it's highly possible that ECA and Tohtori are bad guys. I didn't want to say this until I had voted and watched for Tohtori's reaction though. Would he defend his theoretical partner in crime? Well... in a way. At least he didn't act in a way that would shoot my theory down.

So.

My two suspects are ECA and tohtori based on how they acted and voted on day 1. Out of those I feel most sure about ECA - hence I vote for him while keeping an eye on Toht.

English wasn't in any camp as he was basically inactive, and i defended him for petes sake when ECA voted for him. My initial CorNokZ suspicion was because CorNokZ, who you say was with English, threw the "ball" towards English. See the flaw?

You know that on day one my suspicion was valid towards CorNokZ.

If you call "not voting" as defending a partner, then hell, half this town is my partner. I always question motives and such before voting. You know that too.

On Calos case, i first got on YOUR wagon about him because i did understand your post. Then, when Calo said what he did, i thought "damn, did i just suspect Calo for wrong reason", noticed i did(when in fact i did it for good reason, yours), then i noticed why i started to suspect Calo and did a quick correction to my post.

So, in summarison, i first thought Calo might be mafia 'cause you said "revenge".
Then thought i was wrong as Calo said he didn't vote, and checked it myself.
Then noticed that i suspected him for your reason, and not because he voted.

If you're only reasoning to suspect me is that i voted for a while like ECA(and actually ECA voted like me), then it's a bit thin compared to other motives. Don't you think?

But if it puts your mind at ease, vote: ECA 'cause your theory is as valid as the next one and i don't know.

 

[Levin]

All theories are going to be very thin at this stage. But they're all we have to go on, really. This game is a lot about watching reactions, I've found.

I think the "gut feel" I got after reading through all the posts as just as valid as the reasoning I had about Calo's revenge motive. It's still very much in the open though; doesn't anyone else have their own theories?

 

[Levin]

My initial CorNokZ suspicion was because CorNokZ, who you say was with English, threw the "ball" towards English. See the flaw?

I see no flaw there. It's perfectly natural and actually quite common for townies to vote for eachother, not knowing the other is innocent. When I say he was "with" him, I mean that it was basicly those two guys each working independently against you and ECA, who seemed more like a "team". At least that's the feel I got reading it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

doesn't anyone else have their own theories?

I'd say I'm going with my gut and saying it's CorNokZ still, just according to day one.

And no i don't think that "being new" is an excuse.

 

[Levin]

I'd say I'm going with my gut and saying it's CorNokZ still, just according to day one.

And no i don't think that "being new" is an excuse.

Then why not vote CorNokz? There's no need to appease me by voting ECA. I won't suspect you more or less if you change your vote. It's better there are a couple options for the others to decide between - that way it might be easier to figure things out for the next day.

Or at least so I'd like to think.

 

[Calo]

All theories are going to be very thin at this stage. But they're all we have to go on, really. This game is a lot about watching reactions, I've found.

I think the "gut feel" I got after reading through all the posts as just as valid as the reasoning I had about Calo's revenge motive. It's still very much in the open though; doesn't anyone else have their own theories?

I still find that a very loose theory.
I mean, IF I was mafia, why would I lynch a target that would make me suspicious? Seriously, English was not a threat or anything for the scum, that's why they lynched him now also, nobody has any link with who and why they lynched him. And If that makes you lynch me they are probably having a big smile now.

 

[Levin]

I still find that a very loose theory.
I mean, IF I was mafia, why would I lynch a target that would make me suspicious? Seriously, English was not a threat or anything for the scum, that's why they lynched him now also, nobody has any link with who and why they lynched him. And If that makes you lynch me they are probably having a big smile now.

Indeed, that's why I said that my gut feeling about ECA feels just as strong as the theory I had about you. In other words, neither of them is very solid.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I see no flaw there. It's perfectly natural and actually quite common for townies to vote for eachother, not knowing the other is innocent. When I say he was "with" him, I mean that it was basicly those two guys each working independently against you and ECA, who seemed more like a "team". At least that's the feel I got reading it.

Yeah, i can see what you mean. I just meant that, if you read my posts about CorNokZ, you can see that IF he did plan that, it's working rather well.

You know, make someone suspicious without voting, then wait for someone else to vote and jump on it. As he did.

His initial was on first page, the "let's kill english" thing.

Then why not vote CorNokz? There's no need to appease me by voting ECA. I won't suspect you more or less if you change your vote. It's better there are a couple options for the others to decide between - that way it might be easier to figure things out for the next day.

Or at least so I'd like to think.

The reason i'm/was a bit wary of unvoting ECA, is that one could very easily use that against me now that i once voted. You know how it would look. But if you're sure that it won't change your opinion one way or the other, then i would feel more comfortable voting for CorNokZ as he's the only one i'm suspicious off REALLY. I have suspicions, but...

Indeed, that's why I said that my gut feeling about ECA feels just as strong as the theory I had about you. In other words, neither of them is very solid.

Like you said, nothing is. Guess one has to go with gut and just, well, see what happens.

If people deem so, i'll vote ECA again, but for now
unvote
Vote: CorNokZ

Reasons above.

 

[CorNokZ]

I feel sorry that you revoted for me toht! Especially from what I realised last! Not only rumours about seeing ECA leaving the scene of the crime with another suspect, but also I've asked a friend a mine about him, and he has told me that the police indeed has a big file on him

VOTE: ECA

 

[old.Tohtori]

I feel sorry that you revoted for me toht! Especially from what I realised last! Not only rumours about seeing ECA leaving the scene of the crime with another suspect, but also I've asked a friend a mine about him, and he has told me that the police indeed has a big file on him

VOTE: ECA

A "friend" hmm? And who's this police friend? You're just sounding more suspicious, throwing unbacked claims.

Are you sure you're voting 'cause ECA is guilty, or because you want ECA voted faster then you and not give people time to think things through?

 

[CorNokZ]

I'm voting because I am sure in my case

 

[old.Tohtori]

Only way someone can be sure about anything, is if they are the cop or they are mafia and they are sure to vote an innocent...

Bad choice of words perhaps?

 

[Levin]

I'm willing to try out Cornokz's claims, simply by sticking to my vote. Come on you others, let's see some action! Chose one and vote! And do throw in some reasoning too while yer at it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm willing to try out Cornokz's claims, simply by sticking to my vote. Come on you others, let's see some action! Chose one and vote! And do throw in some reasoning too while yer at it.

I'm not gonna say that you're wrong, but i have to say, that if you are, and there's no other doc, we're gonna be in a 2vs2 situation tomorrow.

That's why i think careful thinking is in order and lose cannon shooting is a bit dangerous.

 

[Levin]

I'm not gonna say that you're wrong, but i have to say, that if you are, and there's no other doc, we're gonna be in a 2vs2 situation tomorrow.

That's why i think careful thinking is in order and lose cannon shooting is a bit dangerous.

I can already answer the doc thing - there is no other doc. There was initially only a 50% chance for one doc and a 50% chance for one cop. Still, I think the time for carefulness is over, considering what happened day one and the night that followed. We need to take chances, or we'll lose all the same.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I can already answer the doc thing - there is no other doc. There was initially only a 50% chance for one doc and a 50% chance for one cop. Still, I think the time for carefulness is over, considering what happened day one and the night that followed. We need to take chances, or we'll lose all the same.

Oh, i thought it was "50% chance for anyone to be cop" or some such.

Well anyway...yes...we need action, should've done day one(my bad with the novote), but i think we still need to think it through, read it through etc, before hanging anyone 'cause it's a dangerous game now.

Especially since, if we hang a wrong one today, the mafia kill someone over night, the mafia can then just vote for one or vote "novote" while townfolk vote for another, and a draw don't get anyone hanged. So, essentially, if we don't get a mobster today, we loose.

 

[Iceforge]

Vote Count
Day 2

Cornokz - 1 - (Old.Tohtori)
ECA - 2 - (Levin, Cornokz)

Not voted yet: 3 (Vasconcelos, ECA, Calo)

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

EDIT: No, Old.Tohtori! You are wrong in your last conclusion! If there is a Lynch today of an innocent and then a successfull nightkill, bringing it to a 2vs2, mafia wins by default and tomorrow (day 3) won't be played at all! It is not Lynch or Loose (LyLo) today only because that a No Lynch today or a failed nightkill tonight will give a 3vs2 tomorrow. Reason for this is to avoid the game ending up just being a "who can post the quickest" game ending

 

[old.Tohtori]

EDIT: No, Old.Tohtori! You are wrong in your last conclusion! If there is a Lynch today of an innocent and then a successfull nightkill, bringing it to a 2vs2, mafia wins by default and tomorrow (day 3) won't be played at all! It is not Lynch or Loose (LyLo) today only because that a No Lynch today or a failed nightkill tonight will give a 3vs2 tomorrow. Reason for this is to avoid the game ending up just being a "who can post the quickest" game ending

That's kinda what i meant. I wasn't saying LyLo.

I said that if there's an innocent hanging today, and a nightkill, 2vs2 will be victory for mafia.

So we have to pick a right one, OR, as you said, just wait. Didn't think of the novote thing as viable as people are pretty eager to vote instead of wait. Good option though, since that would ensure tomorrow.

 

[Iceforge]

That's kinda what i meant. I wasn't saying LyLo.

I said that if there's an innocent hanging today, and a nightkill, 2vs2 will be victory for mafia.

So we have to pick a right one, OR, as you said, just wait. Didn't think of the novote thing as viable as people are pretty eager to vote instead of wait. Good option though, since that would ensure tomorrow.

Ah, sorry then! I figured you meant that there would be a day 3 where the mafia could just act quick, which is not the case, so I wanted to correct that misunderstanding of game mechanichs Anyway, now that it is clear (and perhaps was clear all the time), continue my good people! post and vote, have your fun

 

[ECA]

Been afk in germany, gimme a while to read the new stuff.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm gonna do this:

Unvote: CorNokZ

And here's why.

I don't want to give the mafia the chance of jumping on a bandwagon if we choose to kill the wrong guy. It's too easy.

I say, everyone unvotes, and then BEFORE we vote, we discuss it. And when a decision of sorts is reached, we vote.

 

[CorNokZ]

I'm telling you I have been investigating ECA and there's a HUGE file on him! ECA is mafia!

Trying to make me unvote won't happen, and you're getting more and more suspecious toht

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm telling you I have been investigating ECA and there's a HUGE file on him! ECA is mafia!

Trying to make me unvote won't happen, and you're getting more and more suspecious toht

I'm not trying to make you unvote or change your mind, hell, i could vote ECA out at a drop of a pin, as much as anyone else at the moment.

My way is solid, doesn't harm anything, you can ALWAYS vote back, but makes it harder for the mafia to "bandwagon kill" someone.

I'm surprised you're against it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And about suspicions, there's what i said about you day one. Then suddenly English dies(as you wanted him dead first). Then when Levin votes for ECA, you suddenly bring out a "huge file", obvious cop claim, on him etc etc.

You wanted english dead, jumped on the wagon straight after ECA, jumped off right after i said "you might be mafia", english killed the following night, and now, that Levin first insuated something on ECA, you quickly pull out that "file" stunt.

So who's suspicious here?

 

[Levin]

Logically, with two votes for ECA already, the mafia could have already jumped that wagon and got him killed since all it takes is 4 votes. The only reason this hasn't happened already is in my eyes that ECA is mafia and would of course not vote for himself.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Logically, with two votes for ECA already, the mafia could have already jumped that wagon and got him killed since all it takes is 4 votes. The only reason this hasn't happened already is in my eyes that ECA is mafia and would of course not vote for himself.

Or the current votes are already casted by mafias

 

[old.Tohtori]

Heh...

Logically, with two votes for ECA already, the mafia could have already jumped that wagon and got him killed since all it takes is 4 votes. The only reason this hasn't happened already is in my eyes that ECA is mafia and would of course not vote for himself.

Fair point...

Or the current votes are already casted by mafias

...debunked

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm just curious on if i'm the only one seeing CorNokZs actions as suspicious?

Am i completely wrong or?

I'd love some feedback, that all.

And Levin, you know my point about unvote before we decide is good. Right? 'cause you can vote anytime still.

 

[Levin]

Or the current votes are already casted by mafias

Yes there is that too which is why the above observation was "in my eyes". Since I know I am not mafia, it's a choice between if I believe it's ECA or Cornokz.. and out of those I think it's ECA.