Off-topic Mafia #6 Game Thread

[old.Tohtori]

And that's why i keep pushing, as well as kept from voting, so that we don't make a mistake and look at everything before voting. Whoever it may be we vote.

 

[Levin]

So you mean just because I am not voting for Cornokz it SEEMS like I am disregarding him? I am well aware that anyone could be mafia here, but we can only vote for one guy at a time!

I chose ECA. And by the nature of the game, all that matters right now in my head, is if ECA is mafia or not. Because if I'm wrong it's game over anyway regardless if Cornokz or you or someone else is mafia.

But just to indulge you, could you once more do a little summary of why you think we should vote for Cornokz? I know you have the "he voted just to get someone else to vote and then he unvoted" thing on him, but frankly that's something I believe I could use too even if I'm not mafia. It's a viable tactic to see who's quick to jump the guns. Is there anything else that he did that was overlooked? The cop claim?

 

[old.Tohtori]

So you mean just because I am not voting for Cornokz it SEEMS like I am disregarding him? I am well aware that anyone could be mafia here, but we can only vote for one guy at a time!

Now you're twisting my words again.

Are you claiming, that just 'cause i vote for CorNokZ, i'm mafia with ECA?

See how ironic that is...

I don't want to iterate my points on CorNokZ AGAIN, and don't use lines like "just to indulge you". 'cause frankly that just makes you sound like a condescending prick.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And the post above this sounds ruder then it was meant to be. Just seems like we're both having the same thing, just different guys.

All the other blaming and claiming comes from the fact we're not in agreement.

 

[Iceforge]

Vote count
Day 2

ECA - 2 - (Levin, Cornokz)
Cornokz - 2 - (Vasconcelos, ECA)

Not voted: 2 (Calo, Old.Tohtori)

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

 

[old.Tohtori]

By the way Levin, if we two were mafia, this would be one helluva tactic

Anyway, we lost the plot a bit and iterations should be done, maybe sho other what we're missing:

CorNokZ said "let's kill english" on day one, this prompted ECA to vote for english, after which CorNokZ jumped the wagon straight up.

He then pulled his vote when i "called" his tactic.

Then english dies.

this already put me in a more suspicious mood.

Then came your vote on ECA, and CorNokZ jumping on that wagon AFTER i voted for him and it seemed like he could be targetted.

The cop claims, being vague and elusive, yet clear enough to sya, without saying, reminded me of my doctor tactic in the last game. So adds to the fire.

That's about it.

 

[Levin]

Now you're twisting my words again.

Are you claiming, that just 'cause i vote for CorNokZ, i'm mafia with ECA?

See how ironic that is...

I don't want to iterate my points on CorNokZ AGAIN, and don't use lines like "just to indulge you". 'cause frankly that just makes you sound like a condescending prick.

I'm not trying to twist your words. I'm asking you to clarify, trying to understand correctly what you are saying since a misunderstanding would be bad at this point.

And please don't make me out to be some kind of prick here. It's a game and we're sort of playing roles. Any comments are meant in a fun spirit of the game way, not as me (Anders) trying to be condescending with you. I respect you just as much as the next person and I definately wouldn't talk down to you. I'll try to be more careful in the future though.

 

[Levin]

Ah, sorry.. my last post took a while to get posted since i got interrupted by my boss coming to my desk asking for candy (don't ask!). I didn't see your latest post before I posted, Tohtori.

I agree with what you said Tohtori, and thanks for reiterating.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And please don't make me out to be some kind of prick here. It's a game

I know

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh yeah, if you could, re-iterate your points Levin, might see something i missed too. 'cause at this point, i'm leaning towards my original vote, but want to see if i might be wrong.

 

[Levin]

Hmmmm

After Cornokz first claimed to be the cop on wednesday morning, none counter-claimed it untill now. ECA, in which could be an attempt to save his arse is now aswell claiming to be the real cop.
What makes me duobtfull about him being mafia, is the fact that he didnt say that he investigated Cornokz and got that hes mafia in which would have been a logical retalliation and shield, but instead he said he investigated Levin...

I think im going with ECA, something in my guts tell me hes to be trusted and only took so long to counter-claim because he was afk in ze germany

VOTE: Cornokz

Erk, I didn't see this post until now!

But Vasc, before you discard ECA as innocent, consider that if he's mafia his goal would be to sway votes away from himself. He could never get Cornokz to change his vote now since they're both claimed the cop role. Hence he had to say he investaged me and hope that I would change my vote.

If you are still sure Cornokz is bad, by all means keep your vote. I just wanted to give you some feedback on your theory that seems to have been part of the reason why you voted like you did.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Erk, I didn't see this post until now!

But Vasc, before you discard ECA as innocent, consider that if he's mafia his goal would be to sway votes away from himself. He could never get Cornokz to change his vote now since they're both claimed the cop role. Hence he had to say he investaged me and hope that I would change my vote.

If you are still sure Cornokz is bad, by all means keep your vote. I just wanted to give you some feedback on your theory that seems to have been part of the reason why you voted like you did.

I have to say, i agree with this, but in my case, i'd have to replace ECA with CorNokZ. It seems both are acting that way.

can't judge the cop thing by "first come first truth" ofcourse.

 

[ECA]

and only took so long to counter-claim because he was afk in ze germany

VOTE: Cornokz

This.

I had to fly to ze germany and back on wednesday and was blitzed when I got back, then had a ton of paperwork to do thursday.

 

[Levin]

Oh yeah, if you could, re-iterate your points Levin, might see something i missed too. 'cause at this point, i'm leaning towards my original vote, but want to see if i might be wrong.

I will try to do this asap. Just got some work on my desk here so I have to do that for a bit and then i'll take some time to read through everything again and put try to words to why I have this feeling about ECA.

 

[old.Tohtori]

ECA - 2 - (Levin, Cornokz)
Cornokz - 2 - (Vasconcelos, ECA)

Not voted: 2 (Calo, Old.Tohtori)

Helluva situation i just realised...

If i and Calo were mafia, we would've voted for someone alrady and "votekill" them.
If Levin and CorNokZ were mafia, they wouldn't change the vote.
If Vasc and ECA are mafia, they wouldn't either.
If Levin and ECA were mafia, they need either me or Calo to vote for the wrong person to switch and get four.

And many other very evil situations!

 

[Levin]

I just have to say, however this game goes it will be very interesting to chat about it afterwards.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I hate this situation though.

It's between CorNokZ and ECA, and Calo hasn't voted, so basically my vote would seal the deal or cause a standstill.

I don't know if i want that much of a responsibility for the whole village..

 

[Levin]

Okay here is my take on it.

One page 1-2 Cornokz says he thinks English is up to something which he later explained with that he wants to joke with him since they recently started playing Dyvet together. I can believe this since first days are always full of joking jibes on those you 'know' in the game.

ECA, however IS very quick to jump the chance to vote for English and Cornokz follows along until Tohtori points out that that is suspicious and so Cornzoks unvotes again. After some to-and-fro with Cornzoks getting accused of being suspicious and some votes being cast but then retracted (just like Cornzoks did but got accused for) the day ends in a novote caused by Calo, Cornokz, Tohtori and Vasconcelos.

During the night, English is murdered.

My thinking then: With how heavily Tohtori accused Cornokz on day one for trying to get English hung, it was a perfect move for the mafia to kill English and get Cornokz suspected on day 2. It seems like a stupid move of Cornokz to murder the guy he got accused for trying to get hung on the day before.

ECA on the other hand, despite his trigger happy style on day 1 has passed under the radar and can happily murder English knowing Tohtori will bring the torches onto Cornokz.

I must say though.. I am no longer so sure Tohtori is the second mafia member. Knowing him, he likes to argue because he enjoys the game and to stir things up, just like I do. We just picked different suspects this time. It seems Calo or Vasconcelos could very well be mafia too. I would put Vasconcelos with ECA then, and Calo with Cornokz telling from how Vasconcelos is helping ECA voting for Cornokz.

You others who think ECA is innocent must then by default think I am innocent too since he cop-proclaimed me innocent. Therefore I cannot be in allegiance with Cornokz or anyone but ECA really.

Lastly, I think ECA picked up on my questioning Cornokz's cop-hood and figured if he claimed cop himself the seed of doubt in my mind might sway me over to seal the deal on Cornokz. It's just gut feel and I could really be wrong here.

Lucky it's just a game.

 

[old.Tohtori]

That's a solid theory, except i have to say, that if CorNokZ would be stupid to kill English, then surely, ECA would be equally as stupid since he voted for English "quickly".

You know?

This just brings a bad feeling in my mind that Calo or Vasc could very well be mafia. Nobody has suspected either, they have neither brought anything to the table "suspicion" wise and have been VERY quiet.

Since yes, ECA wouldn't show you as innocent no matter which side he was on.

 

[Vasconcelos]

That's a solid theory, except i have to say, that if CorNokZ would be stupid to kill English, then surely, ECA would be equally as stupid since he voted for English "quickly".

You know?

This just brings a bad feeling in my mind that Calo or Vasc could very well be mafia. Nobody has suspected either, they have neither brought anything to the table "suspicion" wise and have been VERY quiet.

Since yes, ECA wouldn't show you as innocent no matter which side he was on.

Well, then the only thing i can do now is unveil my role

I'm a simple and boring vanilla townie (once more and to my dispair). And iirc from all the ppl in this game, im prolly the only one who got vanilla roles in all the games (well cept when i was infiltrator/vigilante)
And if it serves as some kind of backup argument, in all games, when i decided to uncover my role I've never lied.

The only thing i can screw is chosing ECA over Cornokz, as the game developed to this kind of choice.
Atm i'm not that sure of my election: due to Levin's reply and due to the fact that it would be kinda a bravado from Cornokz in his first game to throw that kind of bet and claim to be the cop w/o knowing if this would be a game with cop role or not.

Anyways, my vote stands, i'm curious about the ending of this game

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well that's true, you've been and probably will be purer then a hermit virgin girl in the Gay Islands

That leaves Calo uncounted for...but could it be that Calo has mastered this whole thing? For certain, he's flown under the radar if nothing else.

 

[Calo]

Well that's true, you've been and probably will be purer then a hermit virgin girl in the Gay Islands

That leaves Calo uncounted for...but could it be that Calo has mastered this whole thing? For certain, he's flown under the radar if nothing else.

Nah, I haven't mastered anything

I'm like vasc a simple vanilla townie. I'm just monitoring everything to see who I should vote, corn or ECA. Tho I must admit that I do think that it might be that you or levin are actually scum, you both play very smart and talk alot.

Like you said, its certainly not me and you that are scum cause by now, we would have ended it already. Just find cornokz cop claim a bit.. risky but I don't think he would make SUCH a claim without knowing if there is a cop and maybe not him. ECA's counter claim seemed like the only valid option for a scum.

Damn so hard to make a choice!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Aye, i never suspected you in this game, and if you are, good for you

But, yes, it's down to use basically. This day that is. If i vote CorNokZ and you vote for ECA, we're no better unless someone switches. Same with other way around.

And if we vote the same, we make anything happen.

Thing is, we got two suspects who are "the strongest", with both having cop claims, with both acting very suspiciously and WE should choose between them.

I'd LIKE to vote for CorNokZ, but, i'm not a 100% sure.

 

[Levin]

I hear you Vasconcelos. I've never yet been a "bad guy" in these games. In my first (or weas it second?) game I was the cop, and since then i've always ALWAYS been a bloody vanilla townie. I just try to make the best of it but i'm curious what it'll feel like to be on the other side for once. I don't even know how the mafia/werewolf secret discussions take place.. is it like a lot of private messages back and forth? Does one guy call the shots or do they vote? I'm still waiting to find out.

On topic though: Tohtori you ask why it wouldn't be equally stupid of ECA to murder English? Well, in my eyes it's because ECA was never accused of anything until I pointed at him on day 2. All fingers were pointed at Cornokz.. someone even said something along the lines of "even if we unvote him now, we will remember how suspect he is". It was an open goal for the mafia, in my opinion.

 

[Levin]

ECA's counter claim seemed like the only valid option for a scum.

Head of the nail, right there. As of now, I'm pretty sure that if ECA is mafia - Calo is NOT. And if Calo is.. ECA is NOT. Whatever help that may be.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I hear you Vasconcelos. I've never yet been a "bad guy" in these games. In my first (or weas it second?) game I was the cop, and since then i've always ALWAYS been a bloody vanilla townie. I just try to make the best of it but i'm curious what it'll feel like to be on the other side for once. I don't even know how the mafia/werewolf secret discussions take place.. is it like a lot of private messages back and forth? Does one guy call the shots or do they vote? I'm still waiting to find out.

On topic though: Tohtori you ask why it wouldn't be equally stupid of ECA to murder English? Well, in my eyes it's because ECA was never accused of anything until I pointed at him on day 2. All fingers were pointed at Cornokz.. someone even said something along the lines of "even if we unvote him now, we will remember how suspect he is". It was an open goal for the mafia, in my opinion.

The mafia discuss things in nightshift via anything, mostly PM, and one or all then decide the choices to Iceforge. It's very simple really. Last game there was so much tomfoolery that i wish i'd saved the messages. Quite the "conspiracy tactic" discussion. Usually we agreed on the target fairly quick. Especially since we took out the quiet ones. The "let's not kill anyone" and then me claiming to be doctor was my very own pretty idea

Anyhoo, yes, i can see how that would be, but there wasn't any finger pointing at all day one, except from me to CorNokZ. And as i was distracted by the "fact" that ECA was fooled to "just quickly vote", by CorNokZ(that ECA voted for first suspect mentioned 'cause he wanted to move the game along).

That's why i think that ECA and CorNokZ would've both been equally silly to kill English, as they were the only ones voting. Unless they are both scum ofcourse. Also both claiming cop, and being both at risk, either one would be"safe" tomorrow

 

[old.Tohtori]

Head of the nail, right there. As of now, I'm pretty sure that if ECA is mafia - Calo is NOT. And if Calo is.. ECA is NOT. Whatever help that may be.

I don't mean to be rude, but that sounds like a perfect "pitch" to get Calos vote. Because you're offering absolution from guilt, and knowing, that if ECA is innocent, you'd be winning.

 

[Levin]

Anyhoo, yes, i can see how that would be, but there wasn't any finger pointing at all day one, except from me to CorNokZ.

Look at posts #48, 49 and 50 on page 4.

 

[Levin]

I don't mean to be rude, but that sounds like a perfect "pitch" to get Calos vote. Because you're offering absolution from guilt, and knowing, that if ECA is innocent, you'd be winning.

I don't get that last bit. If ECA is innocent, I'd be losing, wouldn't I? As for sales pitching, I had actually only meant to say "head of the nail", but then i realized if Calo actually thinks like that - he can't be in the same camp as ECA. So I added that. If that's a sales pitch then so be it.

And no offense taken. I'm actually flattered that you'd think I'd be that clever.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Look at posts #48, 49 and 50 on page 4.

Ah yeah, Calo did "point" too.

But that only confuses me more!

I don't get that last bit. If ECA is innocent, I'd be losing, wouldn't I? As for sales pitching, I had actually only meant to say "head of the nail", but then i realized if Calo actually thinks like that - he can't be in the same camp as ECA. So I added that. If that's a sales pitch then so be it.

And no offense taken. I'm actually flattered that you'd think I'd be that clever.

Yeah, if ECA is innocent, and you're mafia. That's what i meant