Off-topic Mafia #6 Game Thread

[CorNokZ]

Ofc I voted for ECA!

I didn't "all of a sudden" pull out my huge file and jumped the bandwagon.. Levin simply got to post before I did!

First day I screwed up a fair bit, I'll admit that..

 

[Levin]

And Levin, you know my point about unvote before we decide is good. Right? 'cause you can vote anytime still.

The only one who has anything to gain from unvoting all votes is ECA. So if I believe he is mafia, why should I benefit him and his mafia brother? What could we possibly discuss that we haven't already?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ofc I voted for ECA!

I didn't "all of a sudden" pull out my huge file and jumped the bandwagon.. Levin simply got to post before I did!

First day I screwed up a fair bit, I'll admit that..

Actually, you posted after Levin voted, that you have "suspicions", then took whole of 2-3 hours before voting for him, AFTER, i voted for you.

The only one who has anything to gain from unvoting all votes is ECA. So if I believe he is mafia, why should I benefit him and his mafia brother? What could we possibly discuss that we haven't already?

Well he wouldn't gain, as you could vote for him back in a second.

The gain is, as i said, to avoid quickkills by mafia.

I don't see any harm in it, or is there?

 

[Levin]

Tohtori, about Cornokz:

I think he might actually be the cop, considering this is his first game and he's flaunting the role like an overgrown dildo. When he becomes a veteran he will learn that it's not a good idea to do that, especially when the doc is dead.

In this case though, I really do think he might be the cop - and if he's not well then I guess he has me fooled.

 

[CorNokZ]

I know that I'll get killed next night, no doubt about that! But I'll die happy with ECA the mobster out of the game

 

[Levin]

Well he wouldn't gain, as you could vote for him back in a second.

The gain is, as i said, to avoid quickkills by mafia.

I don't see any harm in it, or is there?

There has been no quickkills, so I don't see the harm in keep the votes as they are and keep on discussing just like we are.

 

[old.Tohtori]

There has been no quickkills, so I don't see the harm in keep the votes as they are and keep on discussing just like we are.

Well there has been only one day before, and if ECA or CorNokZ are mafia, there couldn't have been as there's only two votes been on each max.

There's no harm in this status, sure, but there's still votes to come and it might be harmful.

Let's say CorNokZ is mafia and ECA is innocent. Now they would need one more vote to kill ECA if one of the two other innocent vote for him.

You see?

Like i said, there's no harm in taking votes out, but there could be harm in not doing so. So i'm kinda curious on why you two insist on keeping the votes. Some reasoning would be nice.

About CorNokZ being the cop and the old "new to game" argument, i don't buy it. The games have been public and anyone could've seen how we play. And why hasn't he said he's a cop, just insinuated it?

I did this same thing last game, as the "doc", never said i was doc but insinuated it and you know how that ended, with me and the rest of the mafia killing everyone.

 

[Levin]

There's no harm in this status, sure, but there's still votes to come and it might be harmful.

Hehe.. reminds me of Mr. Mugabe. Sorry, that's out of context but slightly funny you must admit.

Like i said, there's no harm in taking votes out, but there could be harm in not doing so. So i'm kinda curious on why you two insist on keeping the votes. Some reasoning would be nice.

My reasoning for keeping my vote on ECA is that I believe he is mafia! I have explained why I believe this many times over now. Why are you so afraid that he'll get voted for? How can you be so sure he is innocent? Are YOU the cop? Who else would you have us vote for? I've read everything that ECA has said, and I have read everything that Cornokz has said and I still believe ECA is mafia. I don't see how that could change.

 

[CorNokZ]

I'll stick with my vote untill ECA has been lynched, as he is indeed mafia

 

[Levin]

I'll stick with my vote untill ECA has been lynched, as he is indeed mafia

Still, you might as well say if you're the cop or not now. If ECA dies tonight and is indeed mafia you can bet the remaning one will target you anyway.

So Cornokz: are you the cop? Yes or no will suffice.

 

[CorNokZ]

Yes, I am the cop

 

[old.Tohtori]

My reasoning for keeping my vote on ECA is that I believe he is mafia! I have explained why I believe this many times over now. Why are you so afraid that he'll get voted for? How can you be so sure he is innocent? Are YOU the cop? Who else would you have us vote for? I've read everything that ECA has said, and I have read everything that Cornokz has said and I still believe ECA is mafia. I don't see how that could change.

I guess that's why i disagree. I dont think he's mafia, as much as i think CorNokZ is. His "yes i'm a cop" coming now means absolutely nothing as it just seems like a well working plan. As said earlier. It's a play by play from my doc scam on the other game.

I'm not afraid he'll get voted, and you're now doing the same thing i told you that would happen, that me taking my vote off from him, does effect. I can, as said before, vote for him if need be, but all things considered, there's more to be careful about at CorNokZ then there is at ECA.

I have to ask though, why are you "denying" as it seems, everything CorNokZ has done. 'cause if i'm completely frank, or jeff, in any other situation you of all people would've put the same pieces together that i have.

If ECA IS mafia though, you'll bet CorNokZs death next night will point everything towards me.

Ofcourse me saying it might change the tactic in mind, but, you know what i mean.

AND then *phew* we're forgetting a couple of people completely, the quiet'r ones who come in to just push the discussion completely to a direction or other.

I think i have to read the thread again concerning Vasc and Calo.

 

[old.Tohtori]

By the way, if i was the cop, i wouldn't tell you now as it'd get me hanged for sure as CorNokZ "said it first".

 

[Levin]

I'm not afraid he'll get voted, and you're now doing the same thing i told you that would happen, that me taking my vote off from him, does effect. I can, as said before, vote for him if need be, but all things considered, there's more to be careful about at CorNokZ then there is at ECA.

It didn't affect me at all that you took your vote off of ECA. What affects me is how you want others to do the same just so he "accidentily" don't get hung. I'm still all for having two or more candidates for people to vote on, and that's why I don't mind at all you voting on Cornokz. If you sense any suspicion from me, it's because you argument so strongly to save ECA. It makes me wonder why, when all we have is our own theories anyway.

Well, plus Cornokz claiming cop and pointing out ECA to be mafia, of course. I guess by now it's safe to say that one of them must be mafia. If ECA isn't, well then Cornokz is lying and is mafia himself.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It didn't affect me at all that you took your vote off of ECA. What affects me is how you want others to do the same just so he "accidentily" don't get hung. I'm still all for having two or more candidates for people to vote on, and that's why I don't mind at all you voting on Cornokz. If you sense any suspicion from me, it's because you argument so strongly to save ECA. It makes me wonder why, when all we have is our own theories anyway.

Well, plus Cornokz claiming cop and pointing out ECA to be mafia, of course. I guess by now it's safe to say that one of them must be mafia. If ECA isn't, well then Cornokz is lying and is mafia himself.

It wasn't about ECA not being hung, i meant anyone with the "lets hang on a minute". The status quo that is now, from my view, shows that you and CorNokZ are hellbent on hanging ECA. You've been really one sided in everything, even confirming CorNokZ cop'nes.

This is how it seems from me.

The point is, that if CorNokZ is lying and is mafia, we loose. So now would be one helluva perfect time to claim that.

Hell, even if ECA and CorNokZ are mafia, then CorNokZ claiming to be cop, then hanging one of their own, would "confirm" CorNokZ being a cop and you can bet your behind that he'll claim me as mafia tomorrow.

This would mean, that they would win anyway.

Look at it from my POV for a while. I know why you're voting for ECA, but take a step back and look at it all.

 

[old.Tohtori]

So the possible outcomes if this comes true, to iterate:

We vote ECA, ECA is mafia.
CorNokZ dies, we're left with 3vs 1 mafia and no way of telling.

We vote ECA, ECA is mafia.
Mafia kills Vasc or Calo.
CorNokZ blames me(as is forseeable as he's now the "cop"), you hang me.
Then CorNokZ kills someone(say calo)
You're left with CorNokZ and Levin.
Mafia wins.

We vote ECA, ECA innocent, mafia wins.

That's just some ofcourse, as we have novote, vote calo, vote Vasc etc left. But those ain't nice scenarios.

 

[old.Tohtori]

If it wasn't so risky, i'd vote for the "little" quieter ones

 

[ECA]

So the dude who was trying to get my lynched on day 1 is now trying to get me lynched by claiming he's the cop? Nice try buddy.

I'M THE COP, I checked levin on night 1 and he's not mafia.

If you vote me tonight, its down to 3 townies vs 2 mafia, + a night kill as the doctor is gone, basically if we vote wrong tonight its gg.

vote CorNokZ

 

[Calo]

Oh great, a cop claim and a counter cop claim.

Lets just say this game will end in choosing who to lynch, cornokz or ECA or someone else but that will need a pretty good argument tbh.

Might be that Levin and ECA are scum and that ECA is trying to make a little plan with saying he's a cop too (he knows he will be lynched so its his last option) and defending his buddy with adding that he investigated him.

 

[Levin]

Oh great, a cop claim and a counter cop claim.

Lets just say this game will end in choosing who to lynch, cornokz or ECA or someone else but that will need a pretty good argument tbh.

Might be that Levin and ECA are scum and that ECA is trying to make a little plan with saying he's a cop too (he knows he will be lynched so its his last option) and defending his buddy with adding that he investigated him.

Or.. he knows I'm hellbent (as Tohtori said) on getting him, so he claims cop and tries to win me over by saying i'm innocent. Which he of course would know anyway if he's mafia. This really changes nothing - it's a choice between ECA and Cornokz.

In my eyes Tohtori is a likely second-man here. He could be working with either ECA (which seems to go with how he's been defending him) or with Cornokz (targetting him to throw us off the scent).

OR! ECA and Cornokz are both mafia and by both claiming cop they know at least one of them will be beyond suspicion (this scenario would have to assume that there was no cop at all to begin with - 50% chance).

In either case, my vote remains meaning we have 2-2 between ECA and Cornokz I believe? Up to the others to decide then.

 

[Levin]

By the way folks, do you now see how much we lose by giving away that first day to the mafia? If we'd had action like this on the first day we could have afforded to "miss" with one hanging. Now we don't.

 

[Vasconcelos]

So the dude who was trying to get my lynched on day 1 is now trying to get me lynched by claiming he's the cop? Nice try buddy.

I'M THE COP, I checked levin on night 1 and he's not mafia.

If you vote me tonight, its down to 3 townies vs 2 mafia, + a night kill as the doctor is gone, basically if we vote wrong tonight its gg.

vote CorNokZ

Shocking news

 

[old.Tohtori]

Might be that Levin and ECA are scum and that ECA is trying to make a little plan with saying he's a cop too (he knows he will be lynched so its his last option) and defending his buddy with adding that he investigated him.

Nice theory by the way, didn't think of that

Or.. he knows I'm hellbent (as Tohtori said) on getting him, so he claims cop and tries to win me over by saying i'm innocent. Which he of course would know anyway if he's mafia. This really changes nothing - it's a choice between ECA and Cornokz.

In my eyes Tohtori is a likely second-man here. He could be working with either ECA (which seems to go with how he's been defending him) or with Cornokz (targetting him to throw us off the scent).

Why do you keep twisting my words? I just don't think ECA is mafia, and i think CorNokZ is. I could very well claim you're mafia and you're trying to defend CorNokZ. See? Or is everyone mafia who doesn't agree with you?

I'm not defending ECA, but at the evidence i'm looking at from my perspective, seems like CorNokZ is the more viable option.

I don't think either of them is the cop, as neither has acted like it. This is why i think your theory on CorNokZ+ECA is viable. Like i said on an earlier post.

CorNokZ votes ECA off(kills one of own), makes me a bad guy(as he's now "the cop" and "confirmed"), then you hang me(which i know is a mistake) and mafia wins.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Levin i'm still curious on why YOU defend CorNokZ this much.

If we go by your "you're defending ECA" claim.

 

[Levin]

I could very well claim you're mafia and you're trying to defend CorNokZ. See? Or is everyone mafia who doesn't agree with you?

I don't see how you could claim that. If Cornokz and I are mafia, why would ECA, as a townie, claim to be a cop and proclaim me innocent? Doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[Levin]

Levin i'm still curious on why YOU defend CorNokZ this much.

If we go by your "you're defending ECA" claim.

I'm not defending Cornokz. I have already told you I'm fine with you voting for him since I have no idea whether he's guilty or not. There is the difference between us; you are for some reason attacking my voting for ECA - while I am fine with you voting for Cornokz. Like I've said above, let the votes fall where they may. I have stated why I vote for ECA and I can only hope some more guys agree with me to see him hung. I'd like to add there, that I believe his recent cop claim to be false - even though he proclaimed me innocent. You have stated why you want to see Cornokz hang, and all you can hope for is that the rest agree with you.

It's time for Calo and Vasconcelos to step into the action me thinks, because us other four are pretty locked in our positions.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Hmmmm

After Cornokz first claimed to be the cop on wednesday morning, none counter-claimed it untill now. ECA, in which could be an attempt to save his arse is now aswell claiming to be the real cop.
What makes me duobtfull about him being mafia, is the fact that he didnt say that he investigated Cornokz and got that hes mafia in which would have been a logical retalliation and shield, but instead he said he investigated Levin...

I think im going with ECA, something in my guts tell me hes to be trusted and only took so long to counter-claim because he was afk in ze germany

VOTE: Cornokz

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't see how you could claim that. If Cornokz and I are mafia, why would ECA, as a townie, claim to be a cop and proclaim me innocent? Doesn't make any sense at all.

Well ofcourse not now.

Unless you AND ECA are mafia, which i doubt. Though not unbelievable.

I'm not defending Cornokz. I have already told you I'm fine with you voting for him since I have no idea whether he's guilty or not. There is the difference between us; you are for some reason attacking my voting for ECA - while I am fine with you voting for Cornokz. Like I've said above, let the votes fall where they may. I have stated why I vote for ECA and I can only hope some more guys agree with me to see him hung. I'd like to add there, that I believe his recent cop claim to be false - even though he proclaimed me innocent. You have stated why you want to see Cornokz hang, and all you can hope for is that the rest agree with you.

It's time for Calo and Vasconcelos to step into the action me thinks, because us other four are pretty locked in our positions.

And i'm nto defending ECA, as you're not defending CorNokZ. The difference is, different:

You're fine with voting for CorNokZ, even if you don't believe him to be guilty.
I'm fine with voting for ECA, even if i don't believe him to be guilty.

Potato potata there.

I'm "attacking" you completely disregarding all things CorNokZ has said, that would normally make you vote. Not because you vote for ECA.
You attack me for defending ECA, when i'm not.

 

[Levin]

I'm "attacking" you completely disregarding all things CorNokZ has said, that would normally make you vote. Not because you vote for ECA.
You attack me for defending ECA, when i'm not.

How do you know I am disregarding everything Cornokz has said? I've stated some theories above where he could be included as mafia. In my eyes, in this situation, everyone but myself is a suspect. When it comes to ECA there is just something in the way he has posted that gave me a strange itch. I can't really explain it better than that. When I first voted for him I did so by gut feel and to watch for reactions. If he was indeed mafia, I expected someone (his mafia brother) to come out and defend him strongly while trying to make it seem like he wasn't defending him. That happened in my eyes. So even if you may be advocating restraint (in my eyes: defending him) simply because you are a careful townie, your arguments have not made me pulled my vote from ECA. I hope you can see it from my eyes too in all of this.

I suppose to sum it up, I still believe he is mafia because nothing has been said to prove my gut feel wrong. And I realize that in my "wanting to be right" I might be overlooking something, but we're all just humans and we have to vote for *someone*.

 

[old.Tohtori]

How do you know I am disregarding everything Cornokz has said?

Seem to be disregarding, seem. Every argument i've made, has resulted in you answering with "you're defending ECA" or some such similar. When if you look at things, i don't defend ECA. just peek at my replies again.

Saying "you're doing it in a way that seems like you're not defending", is just like telling someone who's not a drunk, that they are a drunk,and then telling them "you're in denial" when they say no

Can't argue or win that kind of "reasoning".

Check it out and you'll see my point, i know where you're coming from and yes, as i said, ECA or CorNokZ, every bit of chance to be right with either one. Just SEEMS like you're ignoring what CorNokZ has said, while keeping your "stubborn" ECA claims.

50/50 and i hope people get it right. That's why i pulled from voting for now.