North Korea

[Job]

I think you need to read up on the nam and korean wars...the US fought with strict nogo areas...which the generals said made the wars unwinable from the start...they would just bomb the infastructure and command

 

[Access Denied]

To be honest I can't see any war lasting more than a couple weeks. Numbers of troops mean nothing when they're using hugely outdated equipment. Assuming America actually gets the targetting right they won't even need boots on the ground. And they DEFINITELY won't need nukes. They have explosives that are almost as powerful as nukes and have you ever seen what a bunker buster can do?

 

[Deebs]

To be honest I can't see any war lasting more than a couple weeks. Numbers of troops mean nothing when they're using hugely outdated equipment. Assuming America actually gets the targetting right they won't even need boots on the ground. And they DEFINITELY won't need nukes. They have explosives that are almost as powerful as nukes and have you ever seen what a bunker buster can do?

Um, there is NO explosive that is "almost as powerful as a nuke", TNT,C4, anything else for that matter simply cannot scale.

 

[Gwadien]

I think the point being made is that the Americans could cause more damage with non-nuclear weapons than the NKs could with nuclear weapons, it's frightening how powerful and precise their weaponry is, making them efficient and accurate as possible.

 

[Deebs]

I think the point being made is that the Americans could cause more damage with non-nuclear weapons than the NKs could with nuclear weapons, it's frightening how powerful and precise their weaponry is, making them efficient and accurate as possible.

Bollox. A nuclear weapon, regardless of who made it, will do more damage than any TNT/C4 style bomb.

 

[Job]

The most powerful nom nuke is the fuel air bomb...you just vaporise a few tons of kerosene and when its spread to just the right fuel air ratio ignite it...
Ka fuckinboom

 

[Deebs]

The most powerful nom nuke is the fuel air bomb...you just vaporise a few tons of kerosene and when its spread to just the right fuel air ratio ignite it...
Ka fuckinboom

The Father Of All Bombs is the most powerful non-nuclear bomb and it yields the equivalent of 44 tons of TNT.

 

[Job]

Yeah basically the same thing uses atmosphric oxygen to feed the explosion rathr than built in oxidiser like tnt...utterly horrific effect on the body

 

[BloodOmen]

The Father Of All Bombs is the most powerful non-nuclear bomb and it yields the equivalent of 44 tons of TNT.

Christ on a bike, love this quote from that link "all that is alive merely evaporates."

I also like this quote I found on this youtube link of the bomb being tested

"The US Grandfather Of All Bombs will be released in 2013.
...with the Russian Great Grandfather Of All Bombs releasing in 2014.
The UK has decided to join the "biggest non-nuke ever" compitition, and the God Of All Bombs should be releasing 2015. It will use antimatter and have a yield of 473 Death Star lasers."

 

[old.Tohtori]

All it takes is one missile to reach a target to make a lot of peoples lives a misery. One.

I think NK can manage atleast one life ruining missile no matter how "pro" the US is.

People tend to forget that this would't be vietnam in a sense that the fighting would happen there alone, if they can they would launch attack on US soil, as well as the rest of th world.

 

[DaGaffer]

All it takes is one missile to reach a target to make a lot of peoples lives a misery. One.

I think NK can manage atleast one life ruining missile no matter how "pro" the US is.

People tend to forget that this would't be vietnam in a sense that the fighting would happen there alone, if they can they would launch attack on US soil, as well as the rest of th world.

They haven't got a nuclear armed missile capable of reaching the US. They have a (fairly erratic) missile, and they have a nuke, but they don't have it in one package, and won't for a long time. They could do as much damage to California as say, a single V2 did to London in WWII (which was an average of two - yes, 2, people per rocket), with the caveat that California is a lot bigger and emptier than London.

NK has the potential to be a tough nut to crack defensively (mainly because of the unknown quality of the troops and population), but offensively? A less significant threat to the average American than getting run over by a drunk driver (much less significant actually). The only people outside NK who have a reasonable concern are the population of Seoul, because there's a lot of artillery pointed their way, but most of it is in fixed positions and the counter-battery fire will get it after the first round (or even before since the South Koreans and Americans already know where most of it is).

 

[Shagrat]

As daGaffer says, no missile NK currently has can get anywhere near the US mainland. The closest they can get is Alaska or one of the US bases on the island(s) between Asia and the US.

 

[Raven]

I think it would be hilarious if America called them out.

 

[mr.Blacky]

lots of true stuff

If I was living in Japan or South Korea I would worry but not because of a possible nuclear weapon, more for the chemical and bio weapons, we just do not know what they have developed and how much.

 

[Deebs]

If I was living in Japan or South Korea I would worry but not because of a possible nuclear weapon, more for the chemical and bio weapons, we just do not know what they have developed and how much.

The moment NK use a chemical weapon is the moment you measure their time left on this Earth in hours.

 

[Ctuchik]

If NK has chemical or biological weapons i'd guess they'd only use them if they were being invaded and were losing.

Using those types of weapons in any other situation would be counterproductive. But if you're losing your country and know that you'll probably die either way, then why give a fuck?

 

[Deebs]

Doesn't matter, survival would be measured in hours.

 

[old.Tohtori]

As daGaffer says, no missile NK currently has can get anywhere near the US mainland. The closest they can get is Alaska or one of the US bases on the island(s) between Asia and the US.

Well first we don't know that, i said if they can they will.

Otherwise i count people near north korea as people who are important too whos lives can be ruined. The post wasn't about ruining american lives.

 

[mr.Blacky]

The moment NK use a chemical weapon is the moment you measure their time left on this Earth in hours.

not really look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack Iraq used chemical weapons and noone did anything.
Tbh doubt if they used it the west would do anything different. The pr would still be demanding restraint.

 

[TdC]

Iraq used chemical weapons and noone did anything.

Iraq has the largest oil reserves on the earth. North Korea has a fat clone and some allegedly beautiful landscape.

 

[mr.Blacky]

ah dont call Jong-un that! he is more a copy cat evil guy from an old James Bond movie

 

[DaGaffer]

Well first we don't know that, i said if they can they will.

Otherwise i count people near north korea as people who are important too whos lives can be ruined. The post wasn't about ruining american lives.

Yes, we do know that. Its pretty much impossible to keep a missile programme secret. Their "best" missile, the Unha-3, can carry about a 100KG payload, not exactly a bunker buster.

As for the rest of your post, so what? There's a good argument to say that if it all came to head it would at least end the misery of the North Koreans.

 

[BloodOmen]

North Korea aside, i'm curious how China will react IF North Korea does start bombing USA military bases and indeed pushing South Korea. Long shot but I'll put my money on China going "Look fatty, stop it or you can fuck off and get help somewhere else" along those lines - North Korea won't have much choice but to stfu then if the UN keep imposing more sanctions because China is about the only place North Korea is getting stuff from isn't it?

 

[Raven]

China is growing less patient with their spastic sibling and will most probably cut them loose before too long.

 

[Job]

It may be funny now, but America has to make the decision to take them out before they get a long range missile, the US was banned from targetting the urban areas in Nam and Korea, so that's why the wars were drawn out an unwinable.
They have since told the UN to swivel and NK would getting precision hits where ever they thought it needed and if they retaliated with a nuke the US would use nukes, you just have to, to show every tinpot dictator that using them means instant destruction.

 

[Lamp]

Doesn't matter how big conventional weapons get. There still isn't one that can break a Terry's Chocolate Orange thats been kept in the fridge for a few days.

 

[dysfunction]

Shouldn't be in the fridge in the first place!

 

[caLLous]

Yeah, a nuke could *easily* disassemble a room-temperature (aka correctly stored) Terry's Chocolate Orange.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes, we do know that. Its pretty much impossible to keep a missile programme secret. Their "best" missile, the Unha-3, can carry about a 100KG payload, not exactly a bunker buster.

As for the rest of your post, so what? There's a good argument to say that if it all came to head it would at least end the misery of the North Koreans.

Yeah that's why the US knew there were womd in iraq, and they didn't have to search for them or anything. No we don't, there is no certainty.

And "so what"? It's peoples lives, plenty of countries outside north korea that would be in danger(hell they'll easily nuke SK). Are you seriously saying that just because no one is threatening the UK/US/"big" cities it's "so what"?

The whole point of the post is two things; we don't know(especially you forum warriors don't) and people outside the warzone are at risk. If you need it even simpler; war is no good, wiping out NK isn't just a "cool thing", this will cost a LOT of lives.

 

[Shagrat]

Yeah that's why the US knew there were womd in iraq, and they didn't have to search for them or anything. No we don't, there is no certainty.

And "so what"? It's peoples lives, plenty of countries outside north korea that would be in danger(hell they'll easily nuke SK). Are you seriously saying that just because no one is threatening the UK/US/"big" cities it's "so what"?

The whole point of the post is two things; we don't know(especially you forum warriors don't) and people outside the warzone are at risk. If you need it even simpler; war is no good, wiping out NK isn't just a "cool thing", this will cost a LOT of lives.

theres a massive difference between a wmd and the missile tech to actually fire it a fair distance (which would be picked up by any number of satellites in testing, hence we DO know the NK missile capabilities).

yes saddam had WMD's however the worry then was that he'd scud them at somebody, which isn't exactly the worlds most accurate deployment system and theres a lot of civilian targets within range. either that or he'd dirty bomb someone.

NK has better missiles but not the range to hit the continental US. South Korea is another matter of course.