North Korea

[Kryten]

Nobody fucks with China


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b60OZhrTB6o

What the fuck?

One slip using any of the functions of that thing and you've lost a few fingers. There's a reason some things are kept separate!

 

[soze]

I think you forget how much the US owe China. China can financially cripple the US. They wouldn't need to go to war.

This is as likely to cause a war as anything else. As soon as China push them too far America will deny and reject the debt. Then the war begins.

 

[BloodOmen]

Problem with global economy is China can fuck the USA but also the world can fuck China, let's not forget China is only where it is financially because of the amount of exporting they do, if countries reject imports from them (highly unlikely i'm just saying IF) it would fuck them royally aswell because the gravy train would run out rather quickly with the population they have.

 

[mr.Blacky]

North Korea and Iran want their nukes to make themselves uninvadeable. If they launch them they'll get nuked - and they don't want that.

NK I could believe, they are mental but more concerned about themselves. Iran has people with similar believes to those Americans who are praying for the end of times, the current Iranian president has them.

 

[fettoken]

I bet North Korea has some tricks up their sleeve.

 

[Scouse]

NK I could believe, they are mental but more concerned about themselves. Iran has people with similar believes to those Americans who are praying for the end of times, the current Iranian president has them.

NK is not "mental". It's a power game, pure and simple. And they're playing it well.

Iran is in a similar boat, much like Venesuela they've kicked the US out and don't want to be invaded. Ahmedinejad may be a hard-ish Islamist but he's no fool. You won't get him nuking anyone.

IMO, if nukes go off in that region it'll be Israel who start it - maybe even false-flag.

If you're looking for a batshit-crazy religious-based country with complete disregard for human rights and an institutionalised megalomaniacal outlook accept no substitute.

 

[Wij]

If you're looking for a batshit-crazy religious-based country with complete disregard for human rights and an institutionalised megalomaniacal outlook accept no substitute.

There's plenty of substitutes. I give you the aforementioned Iran and Saudi Arabia who are engaged in a cold war by proxy over the issue of who succeeded the prophet. For all their noise about how much they hate Israel and the west, they hate each other more.

 

[TdC]

Problem with global economy is China can fuck the USA but also the world can fuck China, let's not forget China is only where it is financially because of the amount of exporting they do, if countries reject imports from them (highly unlikely i'm just saying IF) it would fuck them royally aswell because the gravy train would run out rather quickly with the population they have.

I'm glad you yourself said "highly unlikely", because when it comes to money countries pull some really weird shit tbh.

 

[Ctuchik]

NK is not "mental". It's a power game, pure and simple. And they're playing it well.

The North Korean people are not mental no, just brainwashed.

But the North Korean LEADERS on the other hand.... I sure wouldn't place any bets on their sanity....

This is as likely to cause a war as anything else. As soon as China push them too far America will deny and reject the debt. Then the war begins.

True, but without money how are USA gonna support it?

But we're not going to see a war between USA and China (or Russia) any time soon. When we do it's not going to be over something as pathetic as this.

 

[Ctuchik]

Too late for an edit...

I have one of those shovels, not an official one but a (ironically) made in China copy but it really is very good.

The Swedish army has a version of that. It's fucking amazing.

 

[BloodOmen]

I'm glad you yourself said "highly unlikely", because when it comes to money countries pull some really weird shit tbh.

True true, but still when it comes to defending North Korea and maintaining the massive income from exports I think I know which China would take, they enjoy being an economic superpower and I doubt they'd want to give it up to defend a delusional little twat that's been brain washed by his mental father all his life.

 

[TdC]

imo China will take no shit at all from NK, but I'm not that keen on them putting the smack down to prove it.

 

[Ctuchik]

imo China will take no shit at all from NK, but I'm not that keen on them putting the smack down to prove it.

Then hopefully China has been playing it smart and have made sure that to many of NK's military leaders are on THEIR payrolls for NK to actually start anything serious.

 

[Job]

North Korea will fall apart from the inside out...no amount of isolation of its civilians from reality will survive against the modern world...he will be executed by his own people in less than ten years

 

[Aada]

Why does everyone think that the entire population of North Korea is brainwashed?

It's rather simple you do as you are told and you don't make waves and you certainly don't start running around the capital protesting because you have been eating rat, dog or the grass roots since you were born.

You do the above you will be in the slave labour camps or just executed.

Just because you see them on TV crying because their Dear Leader died doesn't mean any of them gave a fuck, they were either told to do or go to a slave labour camp of they were offered extra rations of rice.

Seriously people need to get over that brainwashed shit they are under a reign of tyranny and have been for a long time.

 

[Ctuchik]

No i'm not saying the entire population is, but it's pretty safe to claim that the majority of them are.

NK is THE most closed and heavily controlled country on earth, and it's really hard to keep an unbiased view in a situation like that.

The entirety of NK's media network (TV, Radio, Newspapers etc) is one bigass fucking propaganda machine. And at some point no matter how strong you are you WILL start to believe in some of it. That's the problem, they don't NEED people to believe in all of it as long as they believe in enough of it..

All day every day the people of NK gets force fed propaganda. Every country uses that against their own people, but Pyongyang takes it many many steps further then anyone else ever did.

I mean, can you with indisputable certainty spot propaganda every time you see it in your news? Do you even think about it when you open up the newspaper? I know i don't.

You might suspect it but there's no way you can be certain.

That's the terrifying thing about propaganda, if that's all you're getting you will start to get affected by it because you can't tell what is and what isn't in the end.

 

[Mabs]

The entirety of NK's media network (TV, Radio, Newspapers etc) is one bigass fucking propaganda machine. And at some point no matter how strong you are you WILL start to believe in some of it. That's the problem, they don't NEED people to believe in all of it as long as they are too scared to do anything about it

fixed that for you

 

[Aada]

No i'm not saying the entire population is, but it's pretty safe to claim that the majority of them are.

NK is THE most closed and heavily controlled country on earth, and it's really hard to keep an unbiased view in a situation like that.

The entirety of NK's media network (TV, Radio, Newspapers etc) is one bigass fucking propaganda machine. And at some point no matter how strong you are you WILL start to believe in some of it. That's the problem, they don't NEED people to believe in all of it as long as they believe in enough of it..

All day every day the people of NK gets force fed propaganda. Every country uses that against their own people, but Pyongyang takes it many many steps further then anyone else ever did.

I mean, can you with indisputable certainty spot propaganda every time you see it in your news? Do you even think about it when you open up the newspaper? I know i don't.

You might suspect it but there's no way you can be certain.

That's the terrifying thing about propaganda, if that's all you're getting you will start to get affected by it because you can't tell what is and what isn't in the end.

How would the majority of these people living outside the major capital have access to a TV? They can't even afford to feed themselves let alone get a TV and Radio.

Give anyone a Knife and in a room alone with the kid leader and we will see how much this propoganda comes into play.

I just don't buy the propoganda stuff for the majority of people who starve to death on a regular basis, sure the fuck wits who live in the Capital with a TV/Radio and food to eat might be brainwashed to a point, but no way in hell are the outside villiages population are brainwashed.

You realise that if someone is caught doing something they shouldn't be most of the time from NK escapees it's their whole family that suffers not just the one person? that sort of thing creates fear not propoganda.

 

[Ctuchik]

Well i'm filing a surrender on this one, i don't think i can explain it better then i already have as my English isn't good enough for it.

It's not as simple as you make it sound but i can't write it down in a way that makes sense.

 

[Lamp]

NK would be a much happier place if they had Haribo Gold Bears.
Haribo: the answer the all the world's problems.

 

[DaGaffer]

Haribo: the answer the all the world's problems.

Apart from morbid obesity of course.

 

[BloodOmen]

China should just wipe out kim jong un and turn over north korea to south korea.

 

[Aoami]

Communist propaganda is funny. I was at one of the war museums in Saigon yesterday, a big 3 floored place. Not once did i see it mentioned that the Vietnam War started out with the North v the South. The story the museum gives is that Vietnam was getting along just fine and everyone was happy but then America turned up because they hate freedom, tortured a load of people and sprayed everything with agent orange and now 98% of Vietnamese people are deformed or retarded. Its funny, because obviously i dont know how many Vietnamese believe that thats how it went down, but the amount of fuckwit white people there taking it as gospel was staggering.

 

[old.Tohtori]

All this propaganda laughing, while it's happening everywhere else. Yes even your country. -Especially- if you think there is none

 

[Scouse]

Communist propaganda is funny. ...America turned up because they hate freedom, tortured a load of people and sprayed everything with agent orange...Its funny, because obviously i dont know how many Vietnamese believe that thats how it went down, but the amount of fuckwit white people there taking it as gospel was staggering

Funny indeed.

Especially since America sabotaged peace talks over election politics, expanded the war into Cambodia and Laos, lost many more lives and killed many more people in horrendous atrocities and extended the war for five more years...


Be in no doubt that we're as dirty as anyone else on the planet. Stupid, stupid, fighty-monkey humans.

 

[DaGaffer]

Communist propaganda is funny. I was at one of the war museums in Saigon yesterday, a big 3 floored place. Not once did i see it mentioned that the Vietnam War started out with the North v the South. The story the museum gives is that Vietnam was getting along just fine and everyone was happy but then America turned up because they hate freedom, tortured a load of people and sprayed everything with agent orange and now 98% of Vietnamese people are deformed or retarded. Its funny, because obviously i dont know how many Vietnamese believe that thats how it went down, but the amount of fuckwit white people there taking it as gospel was staggering.

That museum is fantastic, which isn't to say you get a balanced view in the US.

Funny indeed.

Especially since America sabotaged peace talks over election politics, expanded the war into Cambodia and Laos, lost many more lives and killed many more people in horrendous atrocities and extended the war for five more years...


Be in no doubt that we're as dirty as anyone else on the planet. Stupid, stupid, fighty-monkey humans.

There's actually a school of thought that suggests that if the Americans had actually fought Vietnam as a war rather than a series of PR events and political soundbites, fewer people would have been killed as the war would have been over a damn site more quickly...

 

[Scouse]

There's actually a school of thought that suggests that if the Americans had actually fought Vietnam as a war rather than a series of PR events and political soundbites, fewer people would have been killed as the war would have been over a damn site more quickly...

All goes to show that political leaders, whatever their colour, tend to be warmongering power-hungry cunts.

 

[fettoken]

It needs to be a two-way street. While the government controls the country, the people needs to be able to control the government. This is not working as intended at the moment.

Also, my comment may be subject to some understatement.

 

[Aoami]

Funny indeed.

Especially since America sabotaged peace talks over election politics, expanded the war into Cambodia and Laos, lost many more lives and killed many more people in horrendous atrocities and extended the war for five more years...


Be in no doubt that we're as dirty as anyone else on the planet. Stupid, stupid, fighty-monkey humans.

I do know that, but what was important was that they dont mention that Vietnam was not always a happy communist paradise and that half the country didnt want the regime. They imply that it was always a marxist utopia and that they had worldwide support because it fits in with party lines.

 

[Aada]

NK putting missile batteries up, not like they could even detect or hit a stealth bomber.