Megaupload just got kablammed.

[Scouse]

Sharing strips all value from effort

In the digital world artificial scarcity cannot guarantee value any more. The content providers need to change their model.

Or die, and we'll invent something else. It's *us*, not the "content industries" that are the real force of cultural creation...

 

[DaGaffer]

It's *us*, not the "content industries" that are the real force of cultural creation...

Fucking LOL. Get back to me when "you" crowdsource the next Citizen Kane. Until then you can fuck off with all that bollocks.

 

[Job]

Well let's map it out.
A free internet eventually destroys the 'old' economy, this will even reach into physical products.
Everyone shares the 'code' for property and alters it to create even better products and ideas.
Sounds great, and has the potential to vastly increase the speed from idea to fruition. (And no doubt greatly increases the spread of all kinds of new exotic malware).
The centers of power will shift quite dramatically from the classic structured approach to basically a free for all, barriers broken down, carefully researched limits will be swept aside and in this dross people will return to the things they know and trust.
'Like', will not be enough.

 

[Raven]

Doubtful.

The internet isn't and hasn't been free for a very long time. Yes it allows the free movement of ideas and information but it is still a corporate "thing" You are still expected to abide by your countries laws and any criminal activity is still investigated and punished. If anything this will increase as the internet becomes more and more "corporate" and the police/government become more tech-savy.

As for your code sharing, what are you on about? More plagiarism nonsense? Just because it is on the internet does not mean it's freely available to copy and use. If you were to get hold of the code for anything and rip it off you would still be sued and liabale. Nobody who actually wants to make any money will just share a product, unless its freeware which is generally low end stuff and comes with the caveat that you wont make any money from its shared code.

 

[Job]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16503443

Will they clamp down on this when the torrents are full of code for products..is it even illegal if you've modifed it abit?

 

[Raven]

Er yes. patents, copyright etc. Even more so these days with all the patent shit throwing going on.

 

[Scouse]

Fucking LOL. Get back to me when "you" crowdsource the next Citizen Kane.

Not everything hollywood produces is citizen kane tho eh? In fact, the vast majority of what hollywood produces is chod, wth a side helping of turd.

Cinema has only been around for the last hundred years or so. Ditto for the "cultural industries". Did we not have any culture before then or was humankind bereft of interest, adrift in a paucity of imagination?

 

[Scouse]

Er yes. patents, copyright etc. Even more so these days with all the patent shit throwing going on.

Read the link. Two very different visions.

Also, the idea of patenting isn't that new and is designed to create scarcity. We could still make sure the inventor of an idea was adequately recompensed for his ingenuity without hobbling the rest of the planets ability to, say, get access to life saving drugs....

 

[TdC]

Sharing strips all value from effort

lol Job do you even read what you type? or understand it?

 

[Chilly]

Read the link. Two very different visions.

Also, the idea of patenting isn't that new and is designed to create scarcity. We could still make sure the inventor of an idea was adequately recompensed for his ingenuity without hobbling the rest of the planets ability to, say, get access to life saving drugs....

How? I've yet to see a significantly different system that works anything like as well as patents. Sure, there are tweaks to be made but the general system is excellent.

 

[Job]

Yes I know it's illegal, so's sharing music and video, but it's pretty well destroyed the music business and the movie business was next, that's why they acted.

 

[TdC]

that said, Chilly, I would like to see misuse of the patent system punishable. all the wasted time and resources by vendors trying to protect their flawed products makes me weep

 

[Job]

lol Job do you even read what you type? or understand it?

Sharing: The joint use of a resource or space
Strip: To remove all excess detail from; reduce to essentials.
Value: Worth in usefulness or importance to the possessor; utility or merit:
Effort: The use of physical or mental energy to do something; exertion.

That better.

 

[TdC]

Yes I know it's illegal, so's sharing music and video, but it's pretty well destroyed the music business and the movie business was next, that's why they acted.

err no it hasn't.

 

[Scouse]

I've yet to see a significantly different system

Sigh. Unsurprising that, considering the patent system is the one that we use

 

[DaGaffer]

Not everything hollywood produces is citizen kane tho eh? In fact, the vast majority of what hollywood produces is chod, wth a side helping of turd.

Cinema has only been around for the last hundred years or so. Ditto for the "cultural industries". Did we not have any culture before then or was humankind bereft of interest, adrift in a paucity of imagination?

Yeah, pretty much. Creativity has always been the preserve of a gifted minority, who prior to mass media had talent that very few people got to see, and the vast, vast majority of creative talent struggled in obscurity and died penniless. Only with the advent of mass media distribution (initially books - actually serialised pamphlets in most cases) did artists start to see their worth appreciated financially by their audience rather than a sponsor (be it a prince or a pope). The internet doesn't change the fact that there is still only a small minority of genuine talent; (it just unfortunately fosters the illusion that everyone has something worthwhile to say, which they really, really don't; one only has to plough through most fanfic for a couple of minutes to see that), and that talent, which adds to the sum of human happiness, deserves a reward. Doesn't necessarily mean they need a record label or a publisher, but even when those models go the way of the dodo, someone will still distribute and promote artists to get their talent to an audience. That someone may be an Apple or a Google, but it doesn't follow they are "better" (for the artist or the audience) than the models we currently have.

 

[Raven]

Read the link. Two very different visions.

Also, the idea of patenting isn't that new and is designed to create scarcity. We could still make sure the inventor of an idea was adequately recompensed for his ingenuity without hobbling the rest of the planets ability to, say, get access to life saving drugs....

Well, one would imagine they would protect their investments.

It's like my wife, whenever we take the cat to the vet she moans about the cost. My answer to her is that if it didn't cost so much then they wouldn't be able to cover the training, the drugs and the research in what is a highly skilled private industry. Not to mention any profit.

The same with pharmaceuticals, it is a private industry that pumps billions into research for drugs and treatments, if there was no profit in it for them then they wouldn't bother doing the research, the smaller the distribution the more they charge per head.

Yes, they would protect their investment and they would have the right to protect their investment.

All this is regardless of the morality of what they can charge or how they get their research. They are a business.


Edit. This is the reason I don't pirate games. If nobody paid for the games then they wouldn't bother making them.

 

[TdC]

Sharing: The joint use of a resource or space
Strip: To remove all excess detail from; reduce to essentials.
Value: Worth in usefulness or importance to the possessor; utility or merit:
Effort: The use of physical or mental energy to do something; exertion.

That better.

with proper licencing, shared code is protected and valued. without -as you think- valueless shared code, one of the greatest assets in the world would not even exist. your so called valueless sharing of resources has enabled people to create amazing things, of immense worth. thank your favourite deity for shared things tbh.

 

[Chilly]

Sigh. Unsurprising that, considering the patent system is the one that we use

I wasnt asking for an implemented example, I was talking about even an idea or proposal.

 

[Job]

If you don't think the music industry is destroyed, then you don't remember it or were too young to
know how big it used to be.
I haven't bought a CD or legally downloaded for 10 years and before the internet I was spending the equivalent of 40 pounds a week on music. and that wasn't unusual.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

So because YOU don't spend money on music anymore, it means no-one does?

 

[Raven]

If you don't think the music industry is destroyed, then you don't remember it or were too young to

I am fairly certain Simon Cowell and co don't agree with you. The music industry is booming and is as big and profitable as it has ever been. Yeah sure, the highstreet record shop is pretty much dead but that does not mean the industry is, it's just moved to I-tunes, amazon, play.com etc.

 

[Scouse]

I am fairly certain Simon Cowell and co don't agree with you. The music industry is booming and is as big and profitable as it has ever been

Yup. I just love the music that Simon Cowell plays. He's a wonderful songwriter and singer. Such talent

 

[Aoami]

So what you're saying job is that no one pirated stuff before the internet?

 

[Tuthmes]

If you don't think the music industry is destroyed, then you don't remember it or were too young to
know how big it used to be.
I haven't bought a CD or legally downloaded for 10 years and before the internet I was spending the equivalent of 40 pounds a week on music. and that wasn't unusual.

And yet back then the artist got a small percentage of that money or just signed a contract and never saw any money of it. Read something about Death Row Records (Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg) and Sony (Michael Jackson). It's no wonder every big artist started his or her own record company.

Even back then we recorded music on tapes and cds and borrowed cds, eps from friends, family and your local library. To refer to dl music as beeing the same as stealing is a load of bollux. Copy'ing it onto a cd with booklets and then selling it is. The only thing we're talking about is missed income and not a loss (as would it would be with stealing). The industry should find a way to generate income out of it or foad. I prefer the last option.

Also what Wazz said.

 

[Raven]

Yup. I just love the music that Simon Cowell plays. He's a wonderful songwriter and singer. Such talent

That's not really the point is it? Job seems to think that there is no money in the music industry any more. When quite clearly there is buckets of it. Pretty much no talent though, I agree.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Yeah, when cassette was the primary music source I remember having way more "pirated" tapes than legit ones. Quite how I downloaded them I don't know

 

[ECA]

Why was MegaUpload really shut down?

In December of 2011, just weeks before the takedown, Digital Music News reported on something new that the creators of #Megauploadwere about to unroll. Something that would rock the music industry to its core. (http://goo.gl/A7wUZ)

I present to you... MegaBox. MegaBox was going to be an alternative music store that was entirely cloud-based and offered artists a better money-making opportunity than they would get with any record label.

"UMG knows that we are going to compete with them via our own music venture called Megabox.com, a site that will soon allow artists to sell their creations directly to consumers while allowing artists to keep 90 percent of earnings," MegaUpload founder Kim 'Dotcom' Schmitz told Torrentfreak

Not only did they plan on allowing artists to keep 90% of their earnings on songs that they sold, they wanted to pay them for songs they let users download for free.

"We have a solution called the Megakey that will allow artists to earn income from users who download music for free," Dotcom outlined. "Yes that's right, we will pay artists even for free downloads. The Megakey business model has been tested with over a million users and it works."

Conspiratards go!

 

[Scouse]

Aww man, format your shit right. Just copy it into notepad if you must!

But interesting

 

[Wazzerphuk]

BTW Spotify, if you didn't know, are the biggest cunts in the music business right now.

They pay so little it's a joke.

If you want to earn £2,500 you have to have a track listened to.... 750,000 times. So those who have a go at people who pirate and then use spotify to listen to everything are just as bad.