Megans/Sarahs Law?

[rynnor]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5091530.stm

Anyone in favour of this? I cant really see how knowing where they live will protect kids if they travel outside the area? And theres little to stop them just doing a bunk?

Seems like another desperate attempt to grab some votes - if they really want to protect kids from known paedophiles then keep them in prison until they die (or execute them) - no chance of re-offending then...

 

[JingleBells]

Reminds me of this

 

[throdgrain]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5091530.stm


if they really want to protect kids from known paedophiles then keep them in prison until they die (or execute them) - no chance of re-offending then...

I like the cut of yer jib young feller-me-lad!

 

[JBP|]

if they really want to protect kids from known paedophiles then keep them in prison until they die (or execute them) - no chance of re-offending then...

The Chief Inspector of Prisons, Anne Owers, told The Sunday Times that with fewer than 1,800 of 79,500 prison places left, jails were close to capacity.

Less than 1,800 places doesn't seem very many to me.

I expect we are going to see alot more criminals roaming our streets before things start getting any better, if the ever do.

 

[Draylor]

Yay, lets cause folks to panic - that sounds like a great idea.

It achieves nothing in the US, itd achieve less in the UK.

 

[lilmissnaughty]

if they cant be jailed/sectioned under the mental health act indefinately then perhaps castrate recurrent paedos tbh.then they cant do it again(harsh maybe but i find that sorta thing abhorrent). leaving em free to reoffend in the community but then telling folks will only result in vigilante action an potentially fatal mistakes made.

 

[Will]

Yay, lets cause folks to panic - that sounds like a great idea.

It achieves nothing in the US, itd achieve less in the UK.

Eighty per cent of sexual abuse is on children in families.

They're not going notify the community about those men because they're not allowed to identify who the children are.

 

[rynnor]

Eighty per cent of sexual abuse is on children in families.

They're not going notify the community about those men because they're not allowed to identify who the children are.

Yep - no measures can wipe out crime without wiping out humanity - we can however prevent re-offending by convicted paedophiles.

To Lilmiss who suggested sectioning them its not actually intended as a substitute for incarceration - if someone has a mental health problem that cannot be treated then legally they have to let them out...

 

[lilmissnaughty]

Yep - no measures can wipe out crime without wiping out humanity - we can however prevent re-offending by convicted paedophiles.

To Lilmiss who suggested sectioning them its not actually intended as a substitute for incarceration - if someone has a mental health problem that cannot be treated then legally they have to let them out...

even if they are a danger to others? lol whos crazy the nuts in the nuthouse or the folks makin the rules...

 

[leggy]

If prison isn't a substantial deterent (for first offences or re-offending) in the first place then we need something better.

I vote for castration.

This applies to other crimes also.

 

[tris-]

im sure they practice chemical castration somewhere around the region of america.

 

[Tom]

Castration doesn't prevent abuse.

 

[nath]

Castration doesn't prevent abuse.

Care to cite any references/reasoning behind this? I'm not disagreeing with you, I just don't know.

 

[leggy]

I forgot to mention that I wasn't serious.

 

[leggy]

I doubt Tom will actually have any valid references.

Nothing against Tom, I'm just sure that testosterone levels can be attributed to a number of violent/sexual crimes. That and mental health.

 

[UrganNagru]

Depends how they do it, an operation isn't much of a deterent, but two house bricks or a vice and you definately won't do it again <cringes>

 

[DaGaffer]

I doubt Tom will actually have any valid references.

Nothing against Tom, I'm just sure that testosterone levels can be attributed to a number of violent/sexual crimes. That and mental health.

Testosterone levels can be a contributory factor, but the whole idea that castration takes away sexual urges is a bit of a myth. Its true if the person is castrated before puberty, but if its done after puberty its a different matter and many men can continue to have sexual urges even if there's nothing they can do about it (proving sexuality is as much mental as physical). The data is inconclusive (there's a very dry study here), but 'chop their nuts off' isn't considered a total solution even if it plays well with your typical Sun reader.

 

[Tom]

Castration doesn't work because it doesn't remove the urge to do 'things' anyway. A lot of abuse doesn't involve men sticking their todgers anywhere they shouldn't.

 

[`mongoose]

My sister used to work at a secure unit in the midlands. Her specialism is mental health nursing as a forensic service so she dealt with some pretty twisted individuals.

She would regularly rant about this sort of stuff. Apparently tom is right (anyone want to screenie me agreeing with him for once ). Most abusers have been abused themselves. It's generally a psychological thing rather than a sexual thing (although it does manifest itself in a sexual way quite often). It's a bit like the thoughts on rape with many rapists enjoying the power/domination rather than the sex.

The last time the names & addresses of paedophiles were printed by the NotW alot of them went disappeared from their housing which, contrary to popular belief was monitored and fairly secure, and once gone they were 'underground' away from support groups and far more likely to re-offend.

I am going to be a bit brutal tho and say I also agree a bit with throd. Serial repeat paedophiles should never, ever, ever see the light of day again. it might sound harsh, but recent research has shown how abused children's brains actually develop in different ways. I was reading a study that showed whole swaths of brain area inactive in kids who've been abused in their childhood as opposed to kids who hadn't.

When it's something as serious as to blight a child's life for ever at such a formative stage, I think you're very close to saying this person should never be given the chance to do this to anybody else.

I'd be tempted to say the same of serial rapists/killers as well. At what point do we decide that somebody who has proven incapable of controlling their urges before is trustworthy enough for freedom ?

M

 

[Calaen]

You can never say if an offender will commit another crime, but if someone was to harm any child of mine they wouldnt need to be locked up for long. In all honesty id batter them till they couldnt function.

 

[Kronic]

moving back onto the question as i dont think many of us have the qualifications to say how to cure these animals.

The names of such people should be withheld as there are just to many thick people in society who will just turn vigilent, there is one case where a know pediatrician got beaten up.

 

[WPKenny]

It's a nice idea in theory but as others have said the general public cannot be trusted not to over react and take matters into their own hands.

Last time the NotW published details incl pictures of paedophiles, innocent people got the shit kicked out of them simply cos they looked a bit like the people in the pictures.

I also think the problem would not exist if paedophiles were simply locked up and the key thrown away. However there needs to be clear definitions as to when this would be necessary. A 40 yr old abusing a 3yr old is paedophilia. A 20 yr old sleeping with a willing 15 yr old, I beleive, is legally paedophilia but should they get the same treatment simply because the law puts a specific number on the age of consent?

 

[Wij]

This isn't the place to tout for new members of NAMBLA then ?

 

[rynnor]

A 40 yr old abusing a 3yr old is paedophilia. A 20 yr old sleeping with a willing 15 yr old, I beleive, is legally paedophilia but should they get the same treatment simply because the law puts a specific number on the age of consent?

Aye - the kind of paedophile people really worry about are the ones who abduct random small children - generally the 15+20 scenario doesnt come to court.

 

[rynnor]

Its true if the person is castrated before puberty, but if its done after puberty its a different matter and many men can continue to have sexual urges even if there's nothing they can do about it

Its the same with Tomcats - get em neutered before puberty if you dont want em to stray.