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If the Scots law had come into effect a rapist could legally become a woman and challenge any decision to put them in a men's prison in the courts.
So, he could have challenged in the courts and the courts could have slapped him down too?

How niche do you want to get?
 

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Oh and there's a bloke who nonced up little girls in a women's prison in the UK.
There's a copper who nonced up little girls in a school in the UK.

That's a bigger worry, no?
 

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There's a copper who nonced up little girls in a school in the UK.

That's a bigger worry, no?
Different case. A worry. But not this worry.

‘Katie Dolatowski‘ is in a woman’s jail now. That thing you said can’t happen, won’t happen, is happening. And that’s before self ID is law. Once it is the option Sturgeon took in this case won’t be available unless she wants to find herself in court.

If she was never in favour of rapists in women’s prisons why did she vote against an amendment that would have stopped it?

 

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Intersex people are very much real
Intersex, which isn’t a medical term, when used to describe people with DSDs, is a real thing. The vast majority of DSDs affect one sex or the other. It is still perfectly possible to determine their sex.

Humans, as a species, have two hands. However, that does not mean that a person born with one hand is not human. In the same way a boy born without a winkie is still a boy.
 

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And a boy born without a winkie is not a hermaphrodite. That’s not what it means.
 

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99.9% of trans women are no threat to other women. We should never make law based on bad things that a tiny minority of trans do
 

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And a boy born without a winkie is not a hermaphrodite. That’s not what it means.

No, but a person with both is very real...and I am not going to post links...because...yeah.
 

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No, but a person with both is very real...and I am not going to post links...because...yeah.
Despite appearances, which isn’t my thing so don’t post, I’m pretty sure that this person is one sex or the other.
 

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Despite appearances, which isn’t my thing so don’t post, I’m pretty sure that this person is one sex or the other.

Only because they have to pick one, or docs pick one for them. That doesn't change the fact that there are people that do have both sets of reproductive organs.
 

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I can’t even reply to your post properly scouse as it had no content.

But 1, source for that figure?
2 what has that to do with the issue that self ID means you have no idea if the person trying to move prison even IS trans, whatever that means.
 

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Only because they have to pick one, or docs pick one for them. That doesn't change the fact that there are people that do have both sets of reproductive organs.
Not functional ones. And it’s mind boggling-ly rare. Orders of magnitude away from those who have a DSD in general. And virtually no one who claims a trans identity has any DSD.
 

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Not functional ones. And it’s mind boggling-ly rare.

Yes, but an actual thing. Rather than impossible, like you claimed earlier.

Sorry, but they are real, and like I said, so rare that it is pointless even thinking about it in this context.
 

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Yes, but an actual thing. Rather than impossible, like you claimed earlier.

Sorry, but they are real, and like I said, so rare that it is pointless even thinking about it in this context.
Nobody is actually like a futa girl. That was my point.
 

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I literally have no idea what a Futa girl is supposed to be.

It sounds completely made up though.
 

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Basically a 100% female but she has a penis + balls to boot. Closest thing you'll find to a futa in real life is a woman with a strap on.
 

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Never before has a prisoner that posed a danger to other prisoners been placed in a prison. What were they thinking.
 

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The whole thing has been handled badly. It's time they put aside all the bullshit arguing and actually dealt with the issue once and for all.
 

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The whole thing has been handled badly. It's time they put aside all the bullshit arguing and actually dealt with the issue once and for all.
It'd have to be a real issue first, rather than some noisy outraged people shouting on twitter, which is clearly the arbiter of "priority" in the western world.

Turns out we have to consult prisoners on how they feel when coming up with policy now.
 

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It'd have to be a real issue first, rather than some noisy outraged people shouting on twitter, which is clearly the arbiter of "priority" in the western world.

Turns out we have to consult prisoners on how they feel when coming up with policy now.
Considered is not the same as consulted.

The feelings of men who claim (for whatever reason) that they are not men were very much considered.
 

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Never before has a prisoner that posed a danger to other prisoners been placed in a prison. What were they thinking.
People get injured in Rugby all the time therefore why not put hulking great blokes up against women?

Same argument.
 

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