Is this what society has come to?

[Wij]

I don't think how we treat any of our criminals - male, female, or whatever - is either a big deal.

I can see why you're having problems then.

If there's no benefit, why do it? Putting men and women in the same prison is such a basic obvious no no that even dubious regimes haven't allowed it for centuries.

As to your points:

"that criminality will always exist and shouldn't be a blocker to progress for the law-abiding vast majority"

We don't just stop people doing things after they've already committed the offence. We have this thing called safeguarding. We stop people doing certain things even though we don't know they will do anything criminal. We treat them 'unfairly' as a precaution. It happens in all walks of life. Maybe you don't like it but it exists. Should it not?

 

[Scouse]

If there's no benefit, why do it?

There is a benefit - it gets arseholes off the street and away from the general public. Just like the female arseholes who are in prison.

I don't care whether they're men or women or penguins - I don't think we should have segregated prisons anyway. In the same way I think single-sex schools breed mysoginists and misandrists that are poorly adapted to working with the opposite sex - our prisons are the same. And I think the same for hospital wards too - we shouldn't have single sex wards. The healthiest wards are mixed wards becase men and women play off each other.

Rapists and paedos? Lock 'em up separately (as is happening). The rest? Bung em all in together.

It's just not a problem. The example you gave is NOT a problem. The whole discussion on this crap is dead m8.

 

[Scouse]

We stop people doing certain things even though we don't know they will do anything criminal. We treat them 'unfairly' as a precaution. It happens in all walks of life. Maybe you don't like it but it exists. Should it not?

All walks of life? What are we safeguarding?

By denying law-abiding trans people the ability to exhibit their madness on their passports - what are you "safeguarding" the wider population from, exactly?

 

[Scouse]

Do we safeguard scouts from gay scoutmasters in case the gay scoutmaster is a raging paedo? What about the straight cop in the real-life example I gave above? The raging paedo who started to fuck schoolchildren? Should we be safeguarding kids from raging paedo cops by putting more cops in schools? What if those cops are raging paedos?!

Should we alternatively put raging paedos in schools in case they're actually straight non-paedo's masquerading as paedos who really want to catch out hidden paedo-cops and turn them in to the other cops, who may or may not be raging paedos???!!!

WHERE DOES IT ALL END!!!!111!oneeleven!!!

 

[Bodhi]

This is where it ends - when you decide "The French" are a marginalised group and need something else to be referred to as.

"People who identify as Gauliste" or "The Fucking French" at a guess....


At least the French Embassy saw the funny side...


View: https://twitter.com/franceintheus/status/1618735330202652672?s=20

 

[Scouse]

This is where it ends - when you decide "The French" are a marginalised group and need something else to be referred to as.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o25I2fzFGoY

 

[Gwadien]

Agree. Now that's an actual problem right there...

To be fair, there's times where the Police are needed at schools - we seem to have a fight every day outside of school, now the police chill outside every day.

The problem I see is that they just sit in their car waiting for something to kick off, rather than getting out and talking to kids.

Inner city kids that already have a 'fuck the police' attitude.

 

[Scouse]

To be fair, there's times where the Police are needed at schools - we seem to have a fight every day outside of school, now the police chill outside every day.

You don't need the po-po turning up to kids having fights. Frankly, that's the last thing that's needed.

Parents and school and kids need to manage this shit - as has been done for a long time. Getting kids a criminal record because they're fighting is the wrong thing to do.

Cops should be fucking nowhere near schools. And as to your point about them not getting out and talking to kids - what do we expect - they're not fucking intellectuals trained in child socialisation. They joined up to bosh crims and drive around in vans on a Friday night looking for a fight to get into...

Inner city kids that already have a 'fuck the police' attitude.

Smart enough to think correctly without the bullshit you have to spout when you're an adult

 

[Wij]

It's just not a problem. The example you gave is NOT a problem. The whole discussion on this crap is dead m8.

You can keep repeating that it's a non-issue or dead issue but that doesn't make it true. The fact that Sturgeon used the leeway provided by her legislation being blocked to do a reverse ferret on her previous position in order to head off a massive public backlash due to the obvious unfairness of the situation PROVES it's a big issue. The public doesn't think men with cock and balls should be in women's prisons. They care about female prisoners even if you don't.

Instead of answering basic questions about when and where it may be appropriate for men to be in women's prisons you try to avoid having to answer the question entirely by saying "Ackshully I never believed prisons should be segregated".

Wait for the public backlash when you propose that little gem. Why do you think no country does this?

 

[Wij]

Do we safeguard scouts from gay scoutmasters in case the gay scoutmaster is a raging paedo? What about the straight cop in the real-life example I gave above? The raging paedo who started to fuck schoolchildren? Should we be safeguarding kids from raging paedo cops by putting more cops in schools? What if those cops are raging paedos?!

Should we alternatively put raging paedos in schools in case they're actually straight non-paedo's masquerading as paedos who really want to catch out hidden paedo-cops and turn them in to the other cops, who may or may not be raging paedos???!!!

WHERE DOES IT ALL END!!!!111!oneeleven!!!

Yes, you have safeguarding in scouts and guides. Not against homosexuals. Nobody is proposing that. Safeguarding absolutely exists in organisations like that. You don't have to have raped a boy scout to be banned from being a scout master.

 

[Scouse]

Never avoided it. It's what I think.

We segregate by sex in prisons because of babies. They'd all start shagging. But we all know that a lot of men start shagging in prison, and in prison alone. You could argue that rape would go up - but that's pretending that rape doesn't already happen in men's prisons.

You can't mandate pregnancy medication - that would be illegal. But we can mandate sex segregation of our prison population. I think it's the wrong thing to do.

And none of that changes the fact that your argument is weak as shit and no obstacle to stopping trans people putting penguin on a passport.

Answer my safeguarding points please @Wij.

 

[Wij]

All walks of life? What are we safeguarding?

By denying law-abiding trans people the ability to exhibit their madness on their passports - what are you "safeguarding" the wider population from, exactly?

I never said that what appears on a passport was a safeguarding issue. I said putting male and female prisoners together was.

 

[Raven]

Penis - men's prison
Fanny - women's prison

Save all the fucking about.

 

[Wij]

Penis - men's prison
Fanny - women's prison

Save all the fucking about.

Seems absolutely that simple to me. I don't give a fuck if you want people to call you a woman or a penguin. Cock and balls prisoners go together. The public is pretty clear that they agree.

 

[Bodhi]

I never said that what appears on a passport was a safeguarding issue. I said putting male and female prisoners together was.

Or in this case, putting a male rapist in a female prison - so an actual sex pervert.

Sounds like dousing a fox in feathers and sticking it in a hen house tbh.

 

[Bodhi]

Penis - men's prison
Fanny - women's prison

Save all the fucking about.

Hermaphrodites?

 

[Wij]

Hermaphrodites?

They don't exist in humans, despite what futa porn says.

 

[Bodhi]

They don't exist in humans, despite what futa porn says.

You mean Perplex (there's a name from the past) was lying about his trip to Thailand?

 

[Wij]

You mean Perplex (there's a name from the past) was lying about his trip to Thailand?

I'm sure there was something a bit non-standard on offer there but not actual futa.

 

[Raven]

They don't exist in humans, despite what futa porn says.

Well, that's not true, but the amount of people that are hermaphrodite is so tiny it's probably not even worth bothering to think about until it happens.

 

[Scouse]

Or in this case, putting a male rapist in a female prison - so an actual sex pervert.

Didn't happen. Goes through a comittee anyway. Never happened. Non-argument. Made up outrage like the gay scoutmaster shit.

 

[Scouse]

They don't exist in humans, despite what futa porn says.

True Hermaphrodite: A Case Report

True hermaphrodite is one of the rarest variety of disorders of sexual differentiation (DSD) and represents only 5% cases of all. A 3-year-old child presented with left sided undescended testis and penoscrotal hypospadias. Chordee correction was performed ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Scouse]

Or more fun to read:

Commentary: My life as a 'Mighty Hermaphrodite' - CNN.com

A lot of people have been outraged by the gender verification testing that South African athlete Caster Semenya has been put through, and have been trying to be supportive of her; but in doing so, they often further prejudice against the very thing which she appears to be: intersex.

edition.cnn.com

 

[Scouse]

And lastly, look how sensibly and reasonably this is all being delt with - including constructive input from trans groups (who clearly agree with never putting rapists in women's prisons).

Trans rapist prison case ‘must not lead to blanket rule’, says campaign group

Scottish Trans and Nicola Sturgeon say decisions must be made on case-by-case basis

www.theguardian.com

Non. Issue.

 

[Wij]

True Hermaphrodite: A Case Report

True hermaphrodite is one of the rarest variety of disorders of sexual differentiation (DSD) and represents only 5% cases of all. A 3-year-old child presented with left sided undescended testis and penoscrotal hypospadias. Chordee correction was performed ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There's only one recorded case though of a person where both sex structures were functional and that was because the person was a chimera and had a mixed genome. It was genuinely both sexes. Male AND female because it was essentially two bodies intermixed.

This is nothing to do with trans people the majority of which do not have DSDs. Almost all DSDs are clearly male or female.

 

[Wij]

And lastly, look how sensibly and reasonably this is all being delt with - including constructive input from trans groups (who clearly agree with never putting rapists in women's prisons).

Trans rapist prison case ‘must not lead to blanket rule’, says campaign group

Scottish Trans and Nicola Sturgeon say decisions must be made on case-by-case basis

www.theguardian.com

Non. Issue.

If the Scots law had come into effect a rapist could legally become a woman and challenge any decision to put them in a men's prison in the courts.

 

[Wij]

Didn't happen. Goes through a comittee anyway. Never happened. Non-argument. Made up outrage like the gay scoutmaster shit.

Ireland has Self-ID:

Irish trans sex-offender moved to women's prison despite not having surgery

The inmate was born male but is now recognised as female under the Gender Recognition Act 2015

www.irishmirror.ie

 

[Wij]

Oh and there's a bloke who nonced up little girls in a women's prison in the UK.

 

[Raven]

The way it was handled was a complete shambles. Regardless of what the "right" decision was.

 

[Wij]

Here’s the letter from the Greens saying men should be able to opt into women’s prisons just by uttering magic words. Even better it’s signed by Aimee Challenor who is married to a paedophile and had her dad running her campaigns when he was being charged with raping a 10 year old (which he is now in prison for).


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