is Maelstrom killing the Agramon nights?

[Belomar]

Alex, you only manage to come off as a whiner in this thread.

 

[Sollers]

I can understand his frustration really, but Maelstrom like everyone else is free to roam in whatever setup they like.

What some of them perhaps shouldn't do when running this setup with these realmranks is coming to FH asking if 'this is all there is' when it comes to enemy groups in Agramon Can imagine that stings to people

 

[Alexandrinus]

anyway question is in the room and all the leet people ,wiches oround like politicans

 

[Bondoila]

Don't know what your on about really, it's not like it imposs to kill them and everbody should be happy that there is some challenge out there.
I can understand that it gets annoying to die alot but it's only way to improve your self.
Even if I'm a really bad loser, I still like to fight mael the most. Nothing beats the feeling when you know you been taking out a harder group or hade a long and really tuff fight which could have gone both ways.

 

[Uberlama]

ye ban mael out of agramon, cos they kill every grp going there and nothing left for the noobs like us! QQ

 

[Elrandhir]

What some of them perhaps shouldn't do when running this setup with these realmranks is coming to FH asking if 'this is all there is' when it comes to enemy groups in Agramon Can imagine that stings to people

Yeah, thats pretty sad tbh.

 

[Septina]

I can understand his frustration really, but Maelstrom like everyone else is free to roam in whatever setup they like.

What some of them perhaps shouldn't do when running this setup with these realmranks is coming to FH asking if 'this is all there is' when it comes to enemy groups in Agramon Can imagine that stings to people

That remark was indeed.... rather unnecessary.

 

[Elrandhir]

Don't know what your on about really, it's not like it imposs to kill them and everbody should be happy that there is some challenge out there.
I can understand that it gets annoying to die alot but it's only way to improve your self.
Even if I'm a really bad loser, I still like to fight mael the most. Nothing beats the feeling when you know you been taking out a harder group or hade a long and really tuff fight which could have gone both ways.

Not like it's impossible, but I do understand if low RR groups get fed up if faceing a group that much higher, atleast if they do so over and over again.

Because lets face it, if your group is about RR3-RR4 or so, you wont stand a chance, no matter how good you play really.

 

[Alexandrinus]

ok i close this treat official,
Mael knows what they doing but they cannot do something against this.
btw i only asked one question...no whine in it

have a nice day

 

[Sollers]

That remark was indeed.... rather unnecessary.

You won't scare TT out of Agramon though if that was your cunning masterplan all along! (Eregion being the ringmaster of course)

At the same time, this is my on topic answer I guess

 

[Belomar]

Indeed. It's also about politics. Everyone dislikes a sore loser, but a sore winner is even worse.

 

[Septina]

Cant ever recall seeing any whine from mids or albs when OG ran and they where like... higher RR than us?

 

[Sharkith]

is it just me or did we lose like 5 pages?

 

[Sharkith]

Ahh nvm two threads are nearly identical......

 

[SkarIronfist]

Welcome to the world of DAOC.

Try running into hib groups where RR9 is the token "Lowbie". They zoom past and wipe the group as they pass onto a more challenging fight.

Thats what driving a caster group is like against hib tank groups. We don't moan about it on a forum, we accept it for what it is, of course on vent its a different matter (Alot of swearing).

If you find it frustrating, then mix up the play. If you constantly go into Argamon and loose, then group will start getting pissed off and it will be harder to get people to play. So do other things. Amass more points and then go back in. Split the evening into Argamon and other.

Argramon = A controlled environment where the very best groups feed on those lower down the food chain, with no risk off being overwhlemed by numbers, everything is in managable chunks. If you are at the top of the chain, life is good. Ok there will be a few minor upset stomachs, but nothing more.

 

[noaim]

I can understand his frustration really, but Maelstrom like everyone else is free to roam in whatever setup they like.

What some of them perhaps shouldn't do when running this setup with these realmranks is coming to FH asking if 'this is all there is' when it comes to enemy groups in Agramon Can imagine that stings to people

It was more a remark to all the "lol you win because of 2 bd´s" and "lol you win because of rr" people (from irc aswell), implying that they are ofc better, and only reason we win is because of setup/rr, so just took spitted back a bit at those remarks. Too bad it got aimed at the people who dont make those comments aswell, I apologize to them.

 

[Chronictank]

... and this is why you have to laugh at the leet rvr groups.

Low rr groups will die 99% of the time to high rr groups but omg just try banding together with another low-level rr group and maybe win against one. Then stand-back and watch FH fill with a river of abuse at omg how unfair it is to zeurg and how balanced 1fg vs 1fg is etc, etc.

hehe you guys make me laugh :england:


Belg x

rep for you,
someone who speaks some sense at last \o/
Anyone below rr5 should run 2fg, if the high rr grp was any good they would have a good fight rather than come here whining about the "adding noobs who ruin fg rvr"

 

[Sollers]

It was more a remark to all the "lol you win because of 2 bd´s" and "lol you win because of rr" people (from irc aswell), implying that they are ofc better, and only reason we win is because of setup/rr, so just took spitted back a bit at those remarks. Too bad it got aimed at the people who dont make those comments aswell, I apologize to them.

fair enough mate

 

[Cromcruaich]

Argramon = A controlled environment where the very best groups feed on those lower down the food chain, with no risk off being overwhlemed by numbers, everything is in managable chunks. If you are at the top of the chain, life is good. Ok there will be a few minor upset stomachs, but nothing more.

This attitude really sucks. Its just weak, it leads to everyone just sitting on a bridge with a stealther. Those high rr guild groups were once low rr guild groups, they put months of work into playing the game, and working together in 8v8 fights. Being a good 8v8 group is one of the goals you can aspire to on this server, thats a good thing.

As a few people have said, the answer is to get out into agramon and fight other groups - you have the perfect opportunity at the moment - there is a good vibe going on - and everyone is respecting each others fights, also you may well get a chance to meet maelstrom or NFD GG1 without any timers up to even things out a bit.

I cant really emphasise enough how satisfying winning a decent 5 minute battle can be, even more so if you win against the odds. Maelstrom needs to be there as a group playing at the top of their game, for other people to aspire to beating, i'd have it no other way.

 

[Cloudz]

It was more a remark to all the "lol you win because of 2 bd´s" and "lol you win because of rr" people (from irc aswell), implying that they are ofc better, and only reason we win is because of setup/rr, so just took spitted back a bit at those remarks. Too bad it got aimed at the people who dont make those comments aswell, I apologize to them.

Who says you win because of 2 bds in grp. you were still good with normal setup. everybody knows your grp plays well, just lame setups make it harder

But your right maybe other grps are going to have to start changing setups if you continue to run 2 bds

reason bds are fairly annoying imo is, they interupt well on caster grps, and against tank trains they straef all over the shop + pd4 etc.

 

[Cromcruaich]

rep for you,
someone who speaks some sense at last \o/
Anyone below rr5 should run 2fg, if the high rr grp was any good they would have a good fight rather than come here whining about the "adding noobs who ruin fg rvr"

Full groups have been good to their word over the last two or so weeks and being playing in agramon, rather than farming the edges of the zerg, and those under rr5's that play there. That should make you happy. If you dont want fg/fg fights dont come to agramon - a few fg's have made the effort to get the fg scene going again - thats real people making an effort to open up the options available for other real people to enjoy this game. I hope you can say that youve made a difference to people enjoyment of this game yourself.

 

[SkarIronfist]

This attitude really sucks. Its just weak, it leads to everyone just sitting on a bridge with a stealther. Those high rr guild groups were once low rr guild groups, they put months of work into playing the game, and working together in 8v8 fights. Being a good 8v8 group is one of the goals you can aspire to on this server, thats a good thing.

As a few people have said, the answer is to get out into agramon and fight other groups - you have the perfect opportunity at the moment - there is a good vibe going on - and everyone is respecting each others fights, also you may well get a chance to meet maelstrom or NFD GG1 without any timers up to even things out a bit.

I cant really emphasise enough how satisfying winning a decent 5 minute battle can be, even more so if you win against the odds. Maelstrom needs to be there as a group playing at the top of their game, for other people to aspire to beating, i'd have it no other way.

I am not complaining about Agramon, but I accept it for what it is. You go there and except the risk. If you are at the bottom of the RR tree, then you will not make alot of points. Which means you can't climb the tree to be more competitive.

So all I am saying is please don't come here and complain about running into high RR groups, espeically if you are running in Argamon.

heh I had a good fight in there monday night, it went on 5 mins+, next fight got handed our ass (I think by the same group). That is agramon, its not for those with weak consitutions.

So please don't biatch about high RR groups. If they are to tough, avoid until you are ready.

RR2/3/4s don't stand a chance in high hell of competing agains RR9+s. Jesus the timers of the High RR groups are probably up again, before the lowbies get out of mez. I have received plenty of attention from Stajion and he will kill you before you are out of stun.

 

[Doink-666]

Good guild good challenge there has to be groups out there like them. Dont see the problem KF wont say oh no Maelstrom are in aggramon lets not go though we are the under dogs we'll still go out and try and the groups are not only there to be aware of Mael anyhow, theres other fg's to fight

 

[Chronictank]

Full groups have been good to their word over the last two or so weeks and being playing in agramon, rather than farming the edges of the zerg, and those under rr5's that play there. That should make you happy. If you dont want fg/fg fights dont come to agramon - a few fg's have made the effort to get the fg scene going again - thats real people making an effort to open up the options available for other real people to enjoy this game. I hope you can that say that youve made a difference to people enjoyment of this game yourself.

search my name on the mid forums and the question will answer itself

I was there when we tried getting agramon going first time round, when there were no low rr grps other than a handful.
Guess what, agramon died because noone went there.
If a low rr zone was established, then the highe rr's would simply go there and steamroll them for easy rps. Thats a fact, it will happen.
whereas if you encouraged them (them being sub rr5 grps) to run 2fg in agra then they would have a chance, high rr grps who truley play for fun will have good fights, and the lowbies will win once in a while and feel they achieved something aswell as attracting pugs who arent in set grps meaning more people in agramon

Good guild good challenge there has to be groups out there like them. Dont see the problem KF wont say oh no Maelstrom are in aggramon lets not go though we are the under dogs we'll still go out and try and the groups are not only there to be aware of Mael anyhow, theres other fg's to fight

KF isnt a low rr grp

 

[Cromcruaich]

I am not complaining about Agramon, but I accept it for what it is. You go there and except the risk. If you are at the bottom of the RR tree, then you will not make alot of points. Which means you can't climb the tree to be more competitive.

So all I am saying is please don't come here and complain about running into high RR groups, espeically if you are running in Argamon.

heh I had a good fight in there monday night, it went on 5 mins+, next fight got handed our ass (I think by the same group). That is agramon, its not for those with weak consitutions.

So please don't biatch about high RR groups. If they are to tough, avoid until you are ready.

RR2/3/4s don't stand a chance in high hell of competing agains RR9+s. Jesus the timers of the High RR groups are probably up again, before the lowbies get out of mez. I have received plenty of attention from Stajion and he will kill you before you are out of stun.

Ok, well put, i agree with that. :worthy:

 

[Straef]

Cant ever recall seeing any whine from mids or albs when OG ran and they where like... higher RR than us?

I'd rather fight Maelstrom than Our Group, yes, tho that's because Maelstrom is at least a little more tank-based than OG.

 

[rampant]

stop crying and learn how to fight them!

 

[pjuppe]

what i fail to understand is the affection for agramon. it was really good the first cpl of weeks when it was crowded but ever since the classic-servers went online it's lost more and more of it's appeal to me.

it really like the diversity iRvR brings. i find it fun to both engage the zerg and to fight other fullgroups, but to much of both gets very tedious. some adds can spice up the fight and there's not like you can't get decent fights in iRvR. generaly i find agramon very boring. to few ppl there, no diversity at all and nothing to fight for. it's just to artificial.

 

[Cromcruaich]

If a low rr zone was established, then the highe rr's would simply go there and steamroll them for easy rps. Thats a fact, it will happen.
whereas if you encouraged them (them being sub rr5 grps) to run 2fg in agra then they would have a chance, high rr grps who truley play for fun will have good fights, and the lowbies will win once in a while and feel they achieved something aswell as attracting pugs who arent in set grps meaning more people in agramon
KF isnt a low rr grp

I understand what you are saying but disagree because fundamentally its completely unworkable. It will pretty quickly lead to no fg rvr atall, and the fg stuff that is starting to succeed will again fall on its arse, followed by the loss of a number of players from the server, who have just go back to feeling that there is a point in playing afterall.

Those low rr groups can by all means stay out in the usual spots until they have got their play worked out and made some rr and enter agramon when ready. Ofcourse they will have to endure the inevitable whine from the zerg/small group crew that they will be farming.

Overall though, i think we're mostly agreeing, with the exception of the 2fg/fg point.

 

[Cromcruaich]

what i fail to understand is the affection for agramon. it was really good the first cpl of weeks when it was crowded but ever since the classic-servers went online it's lost more and more of it's appeal to me.

it really like the diversity iRvR brings. i find it fun to both engage the zerg and to fight other fullgroups, but to much of both gets very tedious. some adds can spice up the fight and there's not like you can't get decent fights in iRvR. generaly i find agramon very boring. to few ppl there, no diversity at all and nothing to fight for. it's just to artificial.

Well the point of a lot of these posts is to try and return agramon to a busy place where you are guarenteed fair (numbers wise) fights, to test yourself against like minded people. The attraction of agramon is that you go there for fg/fg fights without adds, the state of agramon is a seperate issue, which we are working to turn around, and it would be great if as many people as possible bought back into it.

Love the 'it's so artificial' bit. Its all ones and zeros man