Is freddies dead ?

[rawr]

Arguing with Brite = waste of your time.

What is the difference when person from side A is arguing with side B of equally opposite views of how to play the game; sure it makes for good 'discussion', but the 'discussion' has been done to death time and time again with no resolve. As I feel atm atleast, it's pointless to bother stating your personal opinions over and over again to those that don't care to listen to what you are saying. I would really like to be proved wrong, but I doubt that will happen.
As much as I appreciate whatever discussion you are trying to make here Muylaetrix, on some level Zede is right; you do start flamewars all too often and perhaps you don't realise it, from my perspective atleast anyway. I don't see the point in this thread apart from you having a personal snipe at the 'frustrated' few that still read here; perhaps the reason they are frustrated is that they want to play on this server again but feel ostracized? If you move the discussion this way it could possibly become productive, but I'm afraid to say you'd still merely be flogging a dead horse.

 

[Muylaetrix]

why do you do this? If you wanted FH to be more postive why do you start a thread that you know full well will result in flames?

to start a debate, unfortunately i don`t seem very good at that. i wanted a debate about the nature of a lot of the posting done here. to me it seems like a place to whine, yell and abuse and do a lot other stuff i am not happy to see in a place that is suposed to have a riendly atmosphere to debate and argument.

What is a forum for? Do you think its a place where people come to discuss inanely about how they had a great night in RvR and how everyone is feeling better? Or is it a place for debate and argument?

ofc i should be the place for debate and argument. but it stopped being that too much imho. it stopped being a forum for the players and became a playground for an ancient elite.

I would have thought that if you were seriously worried about the fact that the server has been damaged by people leaving (nice to see you finally admit that of course) that you would try to argue with them and convince them it is in fact great.

i am happy a lot of em left tbh. i can only agree with flim when he says the following :

Part of the reason the cluster will be a bit happier in game is that a lot of the people who were frustrated out of boredom have (finally) sodded off to do something else. Their anger stemming not so much their playstyle but the fact that they were bored/frustrated.

Shame they have to troll here though.

then again, a lot more people left than just the afore mentioned people adn that is regretable...

Its almost like your not really sure what this forum is supposed to do. If that is the case then I would be a bit worried about handing out advice to the Mods about what to do with it....

/irony on

flim !!! bring out the hammer of banzoring, this forum needs cleansing !

right

/irony of

yeah, i think somehow in the process the forum gotten a bit of track.

 

[Muylaetrix]

As much as I appreciate whatever discussion you are trying to make here Muylaetrix, on some level Zede is right; you do start flamewars all too often and perhaps you don't realise it, from my perspective atleast anyway.

as mentioned in an above post, my attempts to start up a discussion usually faill horebly and end up in flamewars who i try to keep away from this secttion of FH. how stupid is that ?

and yes, a topic called `is freddies dead ?` is an invitation for discussion on a subject, or that was my intention.

perhaps the reason they are frustrated is that they want to play on this server again but feel ostracized? If you move the discussion this way it could possibly become productive, but I'm afraid to say you'd still merely be flogging a dead horse.

i just don`t understand some things and i want to understand them, but i don`t get it, really.

i don`t get it why people feel the need to yell at other people, send abusive pm`s, all that shit, i don`t get it.

i make statements like ` i want xxx`s head on a stake`, sure, it`s a damn RPG, i don`t go `don`t add you fucking wanker` or `why didn`t you help and let me die you moron`.

when it comes to rvr a lot of people seem unable to make the difference between real grieving (i`ll follow xxx in stealth and i will add on ALL his fights with my socuts) which is utterly lame, and labeling any sort of interference in a fight as grieving (how was i supposed to know you were having a 2 vs 2 duel in the MIDDLE of crau bridge while 10 feet further away there was another 1 vs 1 duel and another 10 feet away a fg was fighting vs a fg ?) after which they feel the need to pm shit to people `grieving` them.

a lot of the frustration comes form people make all wrong expectations about this game really.

 

[Sharkith]

then again, a lot more people left than just the afore mentioned people adn that is regretable...

Muyl,

personally I have found a lot of the threads especially more recently have been constructive. The people who contributed to those threads were largely from outside of the current server population. For me the evidence stands against what your claiming. There is tons of constructive posts coming from people who don't actually play on the server.

Thats a bit of a puzzle for you. Like I said to Bracken before only a few weeks ago. Who is the evul group you are chasing? True Flim might seem to agree with you but just who are they? Is there some sort of group around here running about with T-Shirts that have 'I is L33t' on the front trying to flame everyone. Is this some sort of organised group that are hell bent on beating up nice people because of their frustration with the game like Flim asks?

I doubt it.

I can see lots of constructive and postive posts from people all over the boards many of whom don't even play DAOC anymore. So I am just not so sure who your actually talking about. Aside from that if FH is full of flamers and l33t kids why even try to start a debate with them?

- I am at a complete loss here tbh....

 

[Sollers]

i like the times when people post that they had a great experience.

Dear Muylaetrix, I would like to thank you for the great experience I had called real-life after you, on this forum, went out of your way to get me banned.

(you're so much of a hypocrit it's f*cking laughable)

 

[wittor]

I love this forum !!

PS: Flim smells!

 

[rawr]

a lot of the frustration comes form people make all wrong expectations about this game really.

Interesting point Muylaetrix, it would be nice if you could elaborate on this.
If someone has a different expectation of the game to you, does that necessarily mean that they are wrong?

 

[wittor]

Dear Muylaetrix, I would like to thank you for the great experience I had called real-life after you, on this forum, went out of your way to get me banned.

(you're so much of a hypocrit it's f*cking laughable)

See this is what Flim was talking about, stop trolling here ffs!

 

[Appollo]

See this is what Flim was talking about, stop trolling here ffs!

Bram is a kobbie

 

[Sollers]

See this is what Flim was talking about, stop trolling here ffs!

It cant be helped :<

Its no the trollers fault for trolling, its the muylaetrix bangbus filled with gaylord sidekicks that just keep feeding them trolls

(and im a kobbie ^^)

edit: to polly! back to work you

 

[Cromcruaich]

Hiya Muy, i'd like to offer a bit of advice on how to practice what you preach.

more and more i come to the conclusion that freddies is dead what concerns DAOC.

the amount of actual players from excall/pryd who actually post here has shrunk to a very low level.

Good so far

the amount of (often vengefull) ex players who only come here to spew their poison around seems to exceed the amount of posters who actually still play the cluster.

Now see, this is where you went wrong. On several levels. Firstly the obvious point here is that you are attacking the majority of people who actually use this board, while asking them to open up a debate about the thread discussion. Secondly its just down right insulting to the many people who are ex and light touch players who have recently left. Now why didnt you try something else like:

'the amount of ex players who post here exceeds the amount of posters who who play cluster'

For me freddies has degenerated in a useless pit of random profanity by mainly frustrated ex players.

It stopped beeing a place for the community to talk, it has become a place for the leet to show of their leetness sometimes longtime after they quit.

from a place where the community comes toghether, it has evolved into a monster that must certainly kill any newcommers enthousiasm.

Now this really doesnt achieve anything at all, and lets be honest is pretty much based on your own (deliberatly) narrow minded view of a lot of the people who use these boards who just happen to have a portion of their who rainbow of playstyles that differs from your own. Please post some examples from the majority of people who you think fall into this 'leet' category. Frankly I wouldnt of included any of that last quote in your post if you wanted to actually engender a proper discussion.

Do we need a new community forum ? or is there a chance for the mods to weed out the herbs so this again becomes a usable baord for ALL players and not just a select few (sometimes eloquent) verbal nuisances ?

Again, dont particularly see this as constructive or necessary. Are you really suggesting that bans are handed out to the majority of FH users, on the basis that they dont actually agree with you? And while we're at it, name some names. I'm weary of posts throwing around wild accuasations without a body of evidence to back it up.

80 % of all the people in my guild refuse to even post on freddies because of its hostile nature.

This is a good point, and I would leave this one in, arguments of statistics aside ofcourse. Though FH isnt that hostile anymore, and there have been some excellent debates. The irony is that posts like yours here, phrased in a deliberately antagonistic way are the biggest contributers to the problem. Ive asked it numerous times - why are you so poloarised in your opinions? Its like your fighting against a stereotype of players who for the most part dont exist anymore. Shark has made several good posts about the detrimental effect of pidgeon holing players in a number of threads - I suggest you should reread them.

 

[Gamah]

Quit your frigging whining and get on with it, if you get angry because someone called you a noob on the internet you need to take stock of whats really important.

If you don't like it stop posting here, I, and many others wouldn't really give a shit.

 

[Cromcruaich]

Actually, I should of put it more simply. If you want this to be a reaonable place where all sides of the rvr debate can come and chat, stop starting antagonistically worded threads like this.

 

[CorNokZ]

I hardely ever read or post in the rvr forum anymore, it's the some old whine and some old tards that keep posting crap and it's very very boring. I spend my time in off topic now.

Ditto..

If you ever post here someone flames you or calls you a tard!

And besides that, most of the time trying to talk some sence into ppl on these boards are like talking to a door..

 

[Tubbs]

guess you didnt see my rezz that dead 11l2 ice wziz the other night then ?

Muly, your prolly the most famous flamer from the "nice guy irl" camp on FH in the last 6 months. In so many threads you incite flaming with abandon. You sure are forgetful.

That's pretty impressive for an inactive player.

It sounds like clerics are in need of the nerf-bat

 

[Shike]

I fail to see the reason behind this thread, I really do.

There is this bandcamp who is allergic to all the horrible dreadful nasty evul LEET people.. who the fuck ever those now are.. I honestly dont know. Im starting to think they are lil green men with funny hats running around dragging some weird rumour to people who truly enjoy competative RVR. I dont see any other explanation and its just about as logical too.

Then we have another bandcamp that hate when that first bandcamp come and ruin their "fun" and their "experience" in RvR since they have never done anything in particular to ever hurt the first group. This bandcamp is quite vocal on forums sometimes and yell nasty things on FH!! but generally ingame, they are actually really nice, helpful and genuine people who helps the realm with raids and repairing doors and even getting wood and these evul nasty bastards have actually done this for years, all they get in return for beeing there, for assisting every single raidleader and do as those say they get a big FUCK YOU ASSHOLE in return from the first bandcamp.

Im so fkin tired of the hypocrasi here, Im a generally helpful and nice guy ingame and never hurt a fly, I have yelled at one single person ever, in 5 years of gaming and i even apologised to him 5 min later when I had cooled down because I felt bad about it.

What exactly gives anyone any right to judge me and my ingame doings as leet, and damaging and what the fuck ever... I never hurt anyone and yet some guy say the server is a nicer place when people like me is gone from it. I have never said no when the realm have been in need of my or my guilds help, I have spent hours and hours repairing things that needed to be done, I have always followed raidleaders orders and I seldom question and argue in the open ingame since I dont believe that is the place to do it. Generally, Ive been a good realmmember, I dont think anyone really can come and say, Shike, you did this and that wasnt so good was it? On the contrary, I have always tried my best when it comes to helping out, both towards the realm and towards other players. Ive never been greedy or selfish and I dont really hesitate to help friends out with cash or gear or my time.

You know what Muylatrix, just shut up, seriously. Im tempted to curse like mad and call you alot of random things but I just cant be arsed with you and your way of "thinking". Its all bullshit tbh.

 

[rawr]

That's pretty impressive for an inactive player.

It sounds like clerics are in need of the nerf-bat

Let's play the pedantic game shall we?
Just because Zede's Cleric is shown as 'inactive' in his signature does not mean he is not allowed to log it in on occasion, after all how could he make a valued opinon about the state of this cluster any other way?!

Seriously, Tubbs you are just fuel to the fire in threads like this and serve no purpose at all but to annoy those that don't agree with you; do yourself a favour and post something useful for once. Just because I don't post in every thread doesn't mean I don't read them and make an opinion of your 'posting style' btw. You are a part of the problem, and I don't mean to cause offense so if this is too aggressive mods, please delete this post.

 

[Shike]

That's pretty impressive for an inactive player.

It sounds like clerics are in need of the nerf-bat

well hello mr I love to whine about something but cannot put in a proper reason behind my whine..

 

[Cromcruaich]

See this is what Flim was talking about, stop trolling here ffs!

Its not a troll, it's making a genuine point in an amusing way.

 

[Cromcruaich]

Ditto..

If you ever post here someone flames you or calls you a tard!

And besides that, most of the time trying to talk some sence into ppl on these boards are like talking to a door..

Unfortunately its the stereotype of FH that people are perpetuating that is doing more damage than any post and posters that contribute here.

 

[Straef]

to start a debate, unfortunately i don`t seem very good at that. i wanted a debate about the nature of a lot of the posting done here. to me it seems like a place to whine, yell and abuse and do a lot other stuff i am not happy to see in a place that is suposed to have a riendly atmosphere to debate and argument.

That's a bit contradicting, mentioning how the FH seems like a place to whine, yell, abuse, etc, and then saying it shouldn't be.
So what if people moan? You could look at FH as some sort of outlet, in between the actual game, where you'll get warned over silly things, and IRC, where you can get away with anything, while on FH I wouldn't say people are behaving all that badly.
I don't think a friendly atmosphere is a must, as long as you don't get told to fuck off and die for asking a simple question or giving your opinion. It's only natural for tempers to flare when discussing topics that people care about.
I'm perfectly happy with the way things are going on the forums, and if anything is making FH dull, it's the link to DAoC, as there'll be fuck all interesting threads when there's fuck all going on in DAoC, which seems to be the case right now.

And am I the only one who found Tubbs' comment funny, rather than a stab at someone? :<

 

[Sharkith]

And am I the only one who found Tubbs' comment funny, rather than a stab at someone? :<

I thought it was a joke tbh

 

[charmangle]

Do we need a new community forum ? or is there a chance for the mods to weed out the herbs so this again becomes a usable baord for ALL players and not just a select few (sometimes eloquent) verbal nuisances ?

Mate, I hope you count yourself to the category of people who just spew their vitreolic vial around them.

Basically I havent read any posts from you where your choice of wordings or jargong reveals that the post is meant as flamebait and not serious discussion. (Including this one ironically enough)

If you want to hear others opinions, you need to ask it, without at the same time insulting people.


As an answere to you your question, yes we need a forum like this, no we do not need people like you poisoning them with insults.

/Charmangle

 

[rawr]

I thought it was a joke tbh

If it was a joke, is it any wonder it was misconceived when there's such hostility between those of different playstyles and opinions on these forums? I saw that as an attack on the fact certain people aren't allowed to post because they don't play on this server anymore; what makes your opinion more valid than theirs? They know why they left the server and more than likely have constructive points to make, if the trolling could stop then maybe the hostility could end. Given Tubbs's post history of doing exactly the above, I hope you can understand my point (if you don't believe me look it up).

 

[Genedril]

There are a choice few on both sides of the fence (be they 'leet' or 'lemon') who constantly whine, moan, bitch, throw mud, claim moral superiority, & claim that their way is the right way & everyone who doesn't subscribe to their view can go fish (unless you're Dard & Crom who appear to enjoy fishing 'cause they're strange - they can go do something hatefully boring to them).

It's these people that are the problem, not the people that prefer fg rvr, solo rvr, mass rvr. People think that by sticking a label on other people & decreeing them so makes them what they are & if they’re different the must be in the wrong. The newsflash is you get jerks in all walks of life & they are the problem. Everyone else would probably get along just fine (no, it wouldn't be a love in but it would be bearable). Understanding people have different aims & views is part of life, believing you're view is the only correct one is 'somewhat' egocentric & a trifle arrogant.

I've been whined at by more people that prefer mass RvR in the time I've been playing than I ever have by fg's (I'm talking whine here not the ironic - "Nice add $k1llz mate" to be replied with "sorry but we were there first; sorry didn't see you; accidents happen") but proper vengeful whine full of expletives. That doesn't mean that those that prefer mass RvR are a bunch of SotG killing rude gits, just that there's proportionately more of them & therefore likely that I'll get proportionately more grief from them. To paint them in a 'whiter than white' light is a somewhat naive picture.

If you want people to talk & get along drop the loaded comments, drop the 'you don't deserve to be here' attitudes (I've spent over 4 years on Hib/pryd) & stop behaving like a bunch of hormonal teenagers who think that they will impress their friends by being trying to be cool (pointer: If you're trying to be cool you're not) & giving someone else a load of hassle.

 

[Bracken]

Nice post Genedril

 

[Sharkith]

If it was a joke, is it any wonder it was misconceived when there's such hostility between those of different playstyles and opinions on these forums? I saw that as an attack on the fact certain people aren't allowed to post because they don't play on this server anymore; what makes your opinion more valid than theirs? They know why they left the server and more than likely have constructive points to make, if the trolling could stop then maybe the hostility could end. Given Tubbs's post history of doing exactly the above, I hope you can understand my point (if you don't believe me look it up).

Yeah it was probably misconceived. However, the thing is there are very few posters here whose post pattern I can actually remember clearly. There are those who I think have had influence on subsequent patterns of debate that I single out for attention the rest I let wash over me as basically noise on a channel.

For the bulk of posts I almost always take each post at face value so I think thats why I saw his post in a different light to you. It goes to show how flame wars are perpetuated though and also explains why some of it is a mystery to me i.e. I cannot see it the way you do. It makes for good reading either way though.

Oh and nice post Genedril :worthy:

 

[Serathule]

Hahahahahahahahhahahaahahahaahahahhahhahahaha :kissit:

 

[Muylaetrix]

Thats a bit of a puzzle for you. Like I said to Bracken before only a few weeks ago. Who is the evul group you are chasing? True Flim might seem to agree with you but just who are they? Is there some sort of group around here running about with T-Shirts that have 'I is L33t' on the front trying to flame everyone.

it would be foolish to asume that this is one definable `group`, just like the AC raiders are not 1 definable group with an agenda. it`s an attitude towards fellow players, across all 3 realms. i hate the attitude of `you are either part of the group, or you are walking RP, or you are competition for RP`.

fighting the same foe as a realm mate has nothing to do with respect or the lack of it imho. flaming a fellow player because he broke a unwriten rule of the game within the game is something that makes me puke.

it`s the attitude from the `competitive` players vs the `casual` players that is the source of my `whining`.

I can see lots of constructive and postive posts from people all over the boards many of whom don't even play DAOC anymore. So I am just not so sure who your actually talking about.

i think this thread illustrates my point well enough to a certain degree.

Aside from that if FH is full of flamers and l33t kids why even try to start a debate with them?

maybe that is part of my statement and maybe i just don`t like the condecending flamers and the leet kids ? and where am i suposed to go for a DECENT debate and not a flame fest then ?

you make a thread, and get if you are lucky 1 out of 5 serious replies who allow for further debate and 4 out of 5 useless flames.

 

[Gahn]

it would be foolish to asume that this is one definable `group`, just like the AC raiders are not 1 definable group with an agenda. it`s an attitude towards fellow players, across all 3 realms. i hate the attitude of `you are either part of the group, or you are walking RP, or you are competition for RP`.

fighting the same foe as a realm mate has nothing to do with respect or the lack of it imho. flaming a fellow player because he broke a unwriten rule of the game within the game is something that makes me puke.

it`s the attitude from the `competitive` players vs the `casual` players that is the source of my `whining`.

i think this thread illustrates my point well enough to a certain degree.

maybe that is part of my statement and maybe i just don`t like the condecending flamers and the leet kids ? and where am i suposed to go for a DECENT debate and not a flame fest then ?

you make a thread, and get if you are lucky 1 out of 5 serious replies who allow for further debate and 4 out of 5 useless flames.

U sir are a mystery to me, u start a thread flaming 90% of peeps posting in the Forums and then ask where u can start a thread for a decent debate and u are amused u get nasty thing thrown at u?
Take an hint, start a thread without flaming your possible interlocutors and maybe u can achieve it. Fook me also for wasting my time explaining the obvious.