Infiltrator questions

[LordjOX]

Well, prolly bit less time inc when I start at school again, thought i'd make a fun and relaxing solo/duo class. (debate whether playing stealther is fun or relaxing atm somewhere else )
The infil will be autotrained from level 1, and will have a 50 enh buffbot when done. Spec will be the 50thrust, 44CS, 36stealth, 36envenom (lifebane at rr4) and 19dualwield.

Questions:

When making a template i've understood that skills should be +11 CS/stealth. Do I include +11 DW AND +11 thrust or just one of them? How will that affect my damage, will prolly mainly use the CS style line + Dragonfang. Found it quite hard to fit in both +11 DW and +11 thrust. (will swap items for +11 env)

Are Golden Spear / Crocodile Tooth Dagger viable weapon options? Capping style damage is prolly nice, but any other nice static drop 4.0+ spd mainhand thrusters in alb? Want to avoid LW's as much as possible, altho they are nice, I think they look abit silly. Looks > all

Anyone got any good thrust infil temps w/o LW's, fairly easy temp? Cba to hassle to much with it, budget will be around 130-150plats + plenty self farming. (DS necro / (upcoming) ML9 sorc + bb

Anything else I should know of? tips and tricks etc

 

[Eva]

I'll make you a 20p sc if you give me the rest of the budget.

More on a serious note. GS + ctd is good, but tbh lw's >>>>>> gs any day of the week. But if you hate the looks I guess there's not much to be done. I'll go see if I can make something quick, no promises though since I havn't made stealther templates much.

 

[Eva]

First, and probably final, try.

Config Report

Stats

Str: 123 Int: 0 Hits: 204
Con: 75 Pie: 0 Power: 0
Dex: 100 Cha: 0
Qui: 77 Emp: 0

Resists

Body: 25 Energy: 4 Crush: 21
Cold: 10 Matter: 6 Thrust: 28
Heat: 25 Spirit: 26 Slash: 24

Skills

5 Thrust

11 Stealth

3 Envenom

11 Critical Strike

3 Parry

Focus

Cap Increases

25 Dex

24 Str

Other Bonuses

30 AF Bonus

8 Melee Damage Bonus

13 Melee Speed Bonus

7 Style Damage Bonus

Piece Listing

Chest
Name: gov tank
Level: 51 Quality: 94
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 40 Hits
Effect 2: 18 Strength
Effect 3: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 4: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 5: 15 Dexterity
Effect 6: 4 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 7: 4 Style Damage Bonus
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 32.00

Arms
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 4 Critical Strike - 99 flawed Heated Battle Jewel
Gem 2: 3 Stealth - 99 rough Airy Battle Jewel
Gem 3: 9 Body Resist - 99 polished Dusty Shielding
Gem 4: 25 Constitution - 99 flawless Earthen Essence
Utility: 69.67

Head
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 4 Critical Strike - 99 flawed Heated Battle Jewel
Gem 2: 22 Quickness - 99 precious Airy Essence
Gem 3: 7 Heat Resist - 99 imperfect Heated Shielding
Gem 4: 9 Spirit Resist - 99 polished Vapor Shielding
Utility: 66.67

Legs
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 4 Stealth - 99 flawed Airy Battle Jewel
Gem 2: 25 Constitution - 99 flawless Earthen Essence
Gem 3: 19 Quickness - 99 faceted Airy Essence
Gem 4: 7 Spirit Resist - 99 imperfect Vapor Shielding
Utility: 63.33

Hands
Name: Perplexitas Gantelet
Level: 51 Quality: 94
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 22 Dexterity
Effect 2: 21 Quickness
Effect 3: 3 Envenom
Effect 4: 48 Hits
Effect 5: 7 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 55.67

Feet
Imbue Points: 36.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 58%
Gem 1: 3 Critical Strike - 99 rough Heated Battle Jewel
Gem 2: 4 Stealth - 99 flawed Airy Battle Jewel
Gem 3: 52 Hits - 99 faceted Blood Essence
Gem 4: 25 Constitution - 99 flawless Earthen Essence
Utility: 64.67

Right Hand
Name: Arcanium Trident of the Pure
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 5 Thrust
Effect 2: 15 Dexterity
Effect 3: 40 Hits
Effect 4: 8 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 5: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 45.00

Left Hand
Name: croc
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 27 Strength
Effect 2: 27 Dexterity
Effect 3: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 4: 3 Style Damage Bonus
Effect 5: 4 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 36.00

Two Handed
Imbue Points: 0.0 of 10 (94 Qual) Overcharge: None
Gem 1: Empty -
Gem 2: Empty -
Gem 3: Empty -
Gem 4: Empty -
Utility: 0.00

Ranged
Imbue Points: 0.0 of 10 (94 Qual) Overcharge: None
Gem 1: Empty -
Gem 2: Empty -
Gem 3: Empty -
Gem 4: Empty -
Utility: 0.00

Neck
Name: lsoa
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 10 Crush Resist
Effect 2: 10 Thrust Resist
Effect 3: 10 Body Resist
Effect 4: 10 Spirit Resist
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 80.00

Cloak
Name: som
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 3 Parry
Effect 2: 15 Strength
Effect 3: 15 Quickness
Effect 4: 5 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 5: 10 AF Bonus
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 35.00

Jewel
Name: Copper Coin
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 8 Slash Resist
Effect 2: 8 Heat Resist
Effect 3: 8 Thrust Resist
Effect 4: 24 Hits
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 54.00

Belt
Name: malamis dex/str
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 21 Strength
Effect 2: 21 Dexterity
Effect 3: 7 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 4: 6 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 5: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 28.00

Right Ring
Name: Kroj Str
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 21 Strength
Effect 2: 2 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 2 Heat Resist
Effect 4: 2 Energy Resist
Effect 5: 6 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 6: 10 AF Bonus
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 26.00

Left Ring
Name: Kroj Str
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 21 Strength
Effect 2: 2 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 2 Heat Resist
Effect 4: 2 Energy Resist
Effect 5: 6 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 6: 10 AF Bonus
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 26.00

Right Wrist
Name: ebon
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 2: 6 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 6 Body Resist
Effect 4: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 5: 6 Matter Resist
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 60.00

Left Wrist
Name: cyclone
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 10 Thrust Resist
Effect 2: 10 Slash Resist
Effect 3: 11 Crush Resist
Effect 4: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 62.00

Lacks 5% crush but only archers that will hurt you with that?

 

[LordjOX]

Looks decent, but again to the question, what does +11 thrust / DW do
Think i'll go for the Golden Spear tho, maybe swap to heat lw when fighting assassins

 

[Eva]

+11 thrust won't do anything since you're 50 thrust. +dw increase your chance to swing offhand.

 

[Elitestoner]

Questions:

When making a template i've understood that skills should be +11 CS/stealth. Do I include +11 DW AND +11 thrust or just one of them? How will that affect my damage, will prolly mainly use the CS style line + Dragonfang. Found it quite hard to fit in both +11 DW and +11 thrust. (will swap items for +11 env)

+11 dw will increase chance to hit off hand. each point is an extra 0.5% chance to dw, so this is good

+11 thrust will affect thrust styles, since u will probably only use dfang, its not worth +11 thrust just to increase the damage of one style a fight.

Are Golden Spear / Crocodile Tooth Dagger viable weapon options? Capping style damage is prolly nice, but any other nice static drop 4.0+ spd mainhand thrusters in alb? Want to avoid LW's as much as possible, altho they are nice, I think they look abit silly. Looks > all

gs/ctd will be great vs non stealth classes, but when fighting sbs etc u will get a shit load of resist. i would recommend templating ctd off hand then leaving the main hand free of stats. this way u can use gs for chain, heater for assasin cold for archer etc. this gives the best damage output imo

as for the template etc search vn boards and u will probably come up with a good one, cba to make one ;p

 

[LordjOX]

gs/ctd will be great vs non stealth classes, but when fighting sbs etc u will get a shit load of resist. i would recommend templating ctd off hand then leaving the main hand free of stats. this way u can use gs for chain, heater for assasin cold for archer etc. this gives the best damage output imo

Will try to do that, cheers

 

[Sigidil]

+11 thrust > +0 thrust since it uppers basedmg on mainhand. (more weaponskill) Why do you think a rr9 infil hits harder then a rr1 infil?
Every rr he goes up, +1 will be added to thrust and so you will have more weaponskill, even if you have 50 thrust spec.

+1 to thrust (even with 50 specced thrust) will add 11 points to your Weaponskill.

as a result, +11 will add 121 points to your weaponskill. You willdo more dmg

As for DW, as said before. Every +1 to DW will add you 0.5% chance to hit with offhand.

+ to CS will give you more style dmg.


Good luck.

 

[Sigidil]

Questions:
+11 thrust will affect thrust styles, since u will probably only use dfang, its not worth +11 thrust just to increase the damage of one style a fight.

Not true. +11 thrust will not only affect style dmg of thrust, also basedmg goes up when doing CS styles or any other

 

[Samaroon EatsCheese]

Eva, think you only need about +65 quick in temp to get 250, anymores just a waste i guess

 

[Elitestoner]

Not true. +11 thrust will not only affect style dmg of thrust, also basedmg goes up when doing CS styles or any other

no. it has been proven (wyrd tests) that 36+15 (composite 51) spec in baseline damage when using cs styles is exactly the same as 50+15

 

[Valgyr]

Made a temp for ya. offhander is v nice, my duo partner uses it, when it procs its as high as 80 extra dmg per duel swing. and main hand debuffs dmg for both weps so not bad either. here we go:

Config Report

Stats

Str: 100 Int: 0 Hits: 328
Con: 84 Pie: 0 Power: 0
Dex: 99 Cha: 0
Qui: 62 Emp: 0

Resists

Body: 26 Energy: 0 Crush: 22
Cold: 18 Matter: 19 Thrust: 27 (3)
Heat: 32 (5) Spirit: 8 Slash: 30 (2)

Skills

4 Thrust

11 Stealth

11 Critical Strike

11 Dual Wield

Focus

Cap Increases

24 Dex

128 Hits

17 Str

8 Con

Other Bonuses

4 Melee Damage Bonus

10 AF Bonus

11 Melee Speed Bonus

8 Style Damage Bonus

Piece Listing

Chest
Name:
Level: 51 Quality: 94
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 40 Hits
Effect 2: 18 Strength
Effect 3: 15 Dexterity
Effect 4: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 5: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 6: 4 Style Damage Bonus
Effect 7: 4 Melee Damage Bonus
Utility: 32.00

Arms
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 16 Constitution - 99 polished Earthen Essence
Gem 2: 19 Dexterity - 99 faceted Vapor Essence
Gem 3: 44 Hits - 99 polished Blood Essence
Gem 4: 5 Stealth - 99 imperfect Airy Battle Jewel
Utility: 59.33

Head
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 16 Dexterity - 99 polished Vapor Essence
Gem 2: 19 Constitution - 99 faceted Earthen Essence
Gem 3: 11 Thrust Resist - 99 faceted Airy Shielding
Gem 4: 3 Critical Strike - 99 rough Heated Battle Jewel
Utility: 60.33

Legs
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 3 Dual Wield - 99 rough Icy War Sigil
Gem 2: 4 Critical Strike - 99 flawed Heated Battle Jewel
Gem 3: 25 Constitution - 99 flawless Earthen Essence
Gem 4: 9 Heat Resist - 99 polished Heated Shielding
Utility: 69.67

Hands
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 25 Quickness - 99 flawless Airy Essence
Gem 2: 16 Dexterity - 99 polished Vapor Essence
Gem 3: 60 Hits - 99 precious Blood Essence
Gem 4: 4 Dual Wield - 99 flawed Icy War Sigil
Utility: 62.33

Feet
Imbue Points: 36.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 58%
Gem 1: 22 Quickness - 99 precious Airy Essence
Gem 2: 60 Hits - 99 precious Blood Essence
Gem 3: 4 Dual Wield - 99 flawed Icy War Sigil
Gem 4: 7 Body Resist - 99 imperfect Dusty Shielding
Utility: 63.67

Right Hand
Name: GS
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 12 Dexterity
Effect 2: 12 Strength
Effect 3: 7 Crush Resist
Effect 4: 7 Thrust Resist
Effect 5: 7 Slash Resist
Effect 6: 4 Style Damage Bonus
Effect 7: 4 Melee Speed Bonus
Utility: 58.00

Left Hand
Name: Sidi offhand with dmg add proc
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 4 Critical Strike
Effect 2: 4 Thrust
Effect 3: 3 Stealth
Effect 4: 22 Strength
Utility: 69.67


Neck
Name: sili
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 7 Body Resist
Effect 2: 7 Slash Resist
Effect 3: 7 Matter Resist
Effect 4: 7 Crush Resist
Effect 5: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 6: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 56.00

Cloak
Name: Shades of Mist
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 3 Stealth
Effect 2: 15 Strength
Effect 3: 15 Quickness
Effect 4: 5 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 5: 10 AF Bonus
Utility: 35.00

Jewel
Name:Harpy
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Body Resist
Effect 2: 6 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 4: 44 Hits
Effect 5: 6 Matter Resist
Utility: 59.00

Belt
Name: plaited
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 21 Dexterity
Effect 2: 21 Strength
Effect 3: 7 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 4: 6 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 5: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Utility: 28.00

Right Ring
Name: Morai
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 24 Constitution
Effect 2: 40 Hits
Effect 3: 4 Spirit Resist
Effect 4: 8 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 5: 64 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 34.00

Left Ring
Name: Demon Blood Ring
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 8 Crush Resist
Effect 2: 8 Slash Resist
Effect 3: 6 Thrust Resist
Effect 4: 6 Cold Resist
Effect 5: 6 Heat Resist
Utility: 68.00

Right Wrist
Name: Morai
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 4 Spirit Resist
Effect 2: 40 Hits
Effect 3: 12 Strength
Effect 4: 8 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 5: 64 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 26.00

Left Wrist
Name: Ebon Hide Bracer
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Body Resist
Effect 2: 6 Matter Resist
Effect 3: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 4: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 5: 6 Cold Resist
Utility: 60.00

 

[LordjOX]

Hehe, cheers for all the input.
That Sili necky makes all the difference tho, such hassle ;p

 

[Eva]

Eva, think you only need about +65 quick in temp to get 250, anymores just a waste i guess

83 if no quick at creation, + 92 from d/q, 175, so 75 from sc to get it 250. Not 100% at the 83 quickness if no quickness at start though, took the info from the char builder at http://daoc.catacombs.com.

 

[Samaroon EatsCheese]

inf's go up in quick as they level you know :]

 

[Elitestoner]

83 if no quick at creation, + 92 from d/q, 175, so 75 from sc to get it 250. Not 100% at the 83 quickness if no quickness at start though, took the info from the char builder at http://daoc.catacombs.com.

for my saracen inf with no qui at creation i need +63 (maybe 64) to hit 250.

 

[Samaroon EatsCheese]

for my saracen inf with no qui at creation i need +63 (maybe 64) to hit 250.

exactly same as me

 

[bigchief]

for my saracen inf with no qui at creation i need +63 (maybe 64) to hit 250.

you might want to take a look at what you put your starting points into because no qui @ creation means you need 74qui to cap (or 84 if inconnu)

 

[Elitestoner]

you might want to take a look at what you put your starting points into because no qui @ creation means you need 74qui to cap (or 84 if inconnu)

hmm ok thought i didnt put any qui into creation, guess i put 10 pts ;/

 

[Werrin]

lol, thats strange, my inf have +11 slash +11 cs +11 dw +11 stealth in a 99 qua temp. 25 str cap (ok ok no dex cap but who cares for slash) and Heat cold spirit matter crush slash thrust resists capped oO From 150p u should have way better temp imo.

Edit: Stats maxed got some hits cap too, like 100

 

[LordjOX]

lol, thats strange, my inf have +11 slash +11 cs +11 dw +11 stealth in a 99 qua temp. 25 str cap (ok ok no dex cap but who cares for slash) and Heat cold spirit matter crush slash thrust resists capped oO From 150p u should have way better temp imo.

Edit: Stats maxed got some hits cap too, like 100

Well atm, i'm aiming for as high dex/str cap as possible. body, cold, heat, spirit, crush, thrust, slash as close to capped as possible w/o using the mainhand. Got +59 qui atm, which means I need Augqui1 for 249qui. As much ToA bonus as possible. +11CS, +11Stealth +as much DW as possible. And some good /use items to use in and out of combat.
Got most of the items atm, had lots of items from before on my merc which never became anything of, so won't be using near as much cash

 

[Eva]

inf's go up in quick as they level you know :]

No shit, take time to read the post. I said 83 qui, not 60.