I'd just like to say....

[xane]

Originally posted by nath
No, one who says "hey shut up, if you don't like it go elsewhere". Which completely and utterly misses the point.

No nath, it's a tired old cliche, but in this case it hits the nail on the head.

The people who own and pay for the forum do not have to put up with everything, they _do_ make the rules and they can insist people stick with them.

The rule in most cases is "I may ban anyone I feel like for whatever reason".

If you want _your_ rules then go to _your_ forum.

If you think I've got the "point" wrong, then care to explain rather than another lamentable and pathetic *sigh* ?

 

[nath]

*points to previous post*

Jesus, desperate to jump on people who question the rules, aren't we?

 

[dysfunction]

No they just need it knocked into their thick skulls with a sledge hammer!!

Oh and where we stand is what the rules say....

 

[xane]

So, the rule you are questioning is "the people who pay for the forum can ban whosoever they like for whatever reason" ?

Care to explain why this rule needs to be questioned ?

Mind if I go for a drive around in your car without asking ?

 

[nath]

Actually if you read properly, the rule I was questioning was regarding swearing due to Jonny_Darko's post.

 

[xane]

Yes, that _is_ the rule I mentioned.

 

[nath]

Now I'm not going to get in a semantic arguement, because obviously since it's down to the mods to decide what's acceptable and what's not, they can ban for whatever reason they like.

Swearing was always tolerated, no one ever had a problem with it. Abuse is where the problem lied. These are two different things (obviously overlapping in places, but like I said, lets not get in to semantics). Jonny_Darkos post led me to ask if actually swearing was going to become a bannable offence. This isn't questioning their right to ban whoever the hell they like, it's asking what they're likely to ban us for so that, as mank said, we know where we stand. I don't know why you have to be so god damned obnoxious about this, I was just asking because it seemed like something had changed.

 

[throdgrain]

Originally posted by nath


Swearing was always tolerated, no one ever had a problem with it. Abuse is where the problem lied.

Much as it goes against the grain to agree with the student party, this is also how I understood things to be.




















IM ONLY KIDDING ABOUT THE STUDENT BIT, DONT BLOODY START !

 

[xane]

But nothing has changed.

The rule has always been there, it is entirely the "discretion of the management", and you bow to their interpretation and it can change on a daily basis and between admins.

You may attempt to get some sort of guideline, the management offer a set of T&Cs, but reserve the right to change them at any time, there is no legal binding obligation on their part because, as I said, at the end of the day they pay the cash and make the rules.

Personally I respect the management enough to know they are unlikely to abuse this power, but if they did, that's their concern not mine anyway, especially if it is directed against someone else

THAT is the "point".

*sigh*

^
and THAT is "being god damned obnoxious" about it.

 

[nath]

AH HAH, Thrody. I'm not a student at the moment, I'm currently in full time employment!

(Which is why I'm sitting here all day pressing F5 on forums.barrysworld.com every 13 seconds, bloody firewall blocks irc ports ://)


But Xane, again you miss the point? I'm not questioning the authority of the mods. I'm also well aware they can treat this forum how they like, and they aren't required to tell us. But that's all legalities. Surely being as we've all been on this forum for 3 years or more, we're all a little bit more friendly with each other and can ask where we stand with regards to banning policy.

LEGALLY they don't have to tell us, of course they don't, but why start getting bloody nit picky. The fact is, I wanted to know, so I asked.

 

[dysfunction]

If you DaGaffers response to the swearing thing I think that says it all really...

 

[leggy]

 

[throdgrain]

Now I mention it, I recall getting a pretty stern pm from Natrat, (who has subsequently turned out to be a good bloke btw ) telling me off for swearing in the DAoC forums.
But then , seeing as I didnt/dont have the game, i was probably just being annoying and therefore probably deserved it
The general forum, I always thought swearing was ok within reason.

 

[throdgrain]

Originally posted by leggy

ROCK !!!

 

[nath]

Originally posted by dysfunction
If you DaGaffers response to the swearing thing I think that says it all really...

It didn't really answer my question. It stated that swearing AT someone, i.e. abuse, was bad. I'm already well aware about abuse and how it will not be tolerated. I was asking about swearing in general.

He said something about chucking the odd expletive in there, but that sounds a lot more hard line than it used to be. As I recall, it used to be "swearing = ok, abuse = bad". Reading degaffers response suggests to me "swearing = pretty bad, tolerable in moderation".

And before anyone pops on to their high horse again, I'm totally fine with whatever they decide, I'm well aware that it's their forum. I would just like to know. I don't think that's unreasonable.

p.s. Yes, that platypus rocks.

 

[xane]

Originally posted by nath
Surely being as we've all been on this forum for 3 years or more, we're all a little bit more friendly with each other and can ask where we stand with regards to banning policy.

Surely we've been around long enough to know that banning policies can and will change on a daily basis.

As per "the rule".

You can get "a little bit more friendly" with forum members if you like, it wont change anything.

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by xane
No nath, it's a tired old cliche, but in this case it hits the nail on the head.

The people who own and pay for the forum do not have to put up with everything, they _do_ make the rules and they can insist people stick with them.

The rule in most cases is "I may ban anyone I feel like for whatever reason".

If you want _your_ rules then go to _your_ forum.

If you think I've got the "point" wrong, then care to explain rather than another lamentable and pathetic *sigh* ?

Usually you're a pretty sensible person xane, but in this case you've totally and utterly missed the point. None of us are questioning the rules or moaning about them. We realise personal abuse on the scale that bodhi previously used is now considered unacceptable, what I wasn't sure about was the extent of the language we could use before you got banned. It makes sense for us to know the boundaries, surely?

Yes, it's entirely upto the mods to ban who they see fit and they don't need reason to do it. Thankfully they're not sweating and foaming at the mouth and power hungry bastards, they're level headed sensible people. We all disagree with bodhi's banning but we realise the behavior he displayed was out of order and he also has acknowledged this fact. For a long time the forum has gone pretty much without rule and that's got to change. It's a pity, but it has to change for the better of the company, I suppose.

None of us want our own forum where we can run amok by ourselves, I highly doubt many of the regs in here would even want to be a mod in here, let alone elsewhere. This is our home and we intend to stay here.

None of us are trying to break the rules, fuck the system or fight the power.

Apologies if by saying 'most of us' etc I've offended everyone, but judging by the support bodhi's got here I'm assuming most of what I have just said goes for the majority. If I'm wrong please take great pleasure in telling me to die of veneral diseases Or just tell me politely.

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by dysfunction
If you DaGaffers response to the swearing thing I think that says it all really...

DaGaffer gave me exactly the answer I was looking for. I simply wanted to know what we could 'get away with' as it were.

 

[nath]

Mank has seemed to sum it up nicely but I'll add some more too. Xane, you seem to be arguing a completely different point to me. Either that, or you're arguing for arguments sake.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to change the rules whenever they like. I'm not contesting that it's their forum their rules etc. I'm simply asking to know where we stand. You say they don't have to tell us, they can change the rules when they want. That's true, that's also a load of rubbish. Surely if we want to be good law abiding forumites we should know roughly where the boundaries are so we know not to cross them, or if we feel that they boundaries are becoming too tight, to go elsewhere.

I don't see why you're constantly putting forward the point that it's their forum they can do what they want. It's obviously true, I'm obviously not going to deny that, but it has nothing to do with what mank or myself are talking about.

 

[Jonny_Darko]

I never steamed in saying people were going to get banned for swearing, I just asked if we could mind the language a bit, which I think is a fair enough request? I'm thoroughly for swearing, but used in every sentence is a bit much, and especially that word, which outside of teenage cockney townies (who say "cant" anyway so maybe it doesn't count) and this forum is pretty much universally deplored. It is the kind of thing that would put someone off ever coming back, so it wouldn't hurt to save it for emergencies rather than using it just for the sake of it surely?

 

[nath]

I know you weren't getting all neo nazi on us, it did seem like a friendly request. Problem is, it was coming from you, a suit (so to speak), so I simply wondered if swearing was going to be an issue now.

From what I've gathered from this thread, it seems like it will be a bit more of an issue than it used to be.

 

[mank!]

I forgot to say...

It's perfectly reasonable for the mods to change the rules when they feel like it to whatever they feel like, nobody is challenging that. Same goes for banning. It's when mods start doing it at random and out of the blue that people get thrown a bit, hence my confusion about the sudden apparent crack down on bad language. If the mods treat us all with derision and ban popular members of the community etc then eventually their won't be a community left, thankfully we're far far removed from that scenario and I've been through it all before on an entirely different forum.

I just want to know where I stand because I don't want to be banned again.

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by nath
From what I've gathered from this thread, it seems like it will be a bit more of an issue than it used to be.

Ditto. Which is a pity, because we're all sensible adults here (except me) and anyway, change sucks

 

[nath]

Fgs, stop copying my posts you cu...turd :|

 

[mank!]

I am Glen.

 

[nath]

Ban tbh.

 

[xane]

Originally posted by nath
Surely if we want to be good law abiding forumites we should know roughly where the boundaries are so we know not to cross them,

Originally posted by mank!
hence my confusion about the sudden apparent crack down on bad language.

I refer the gentlemen to the answer given three months ago

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by xane
I refer the gentlemen to the answer given three months ago

Originally posted by TedTheDog
Our Terms & Conditions are pretty open (although rather long I conceed) and permit swearing and the like.

Hence the question 'how much swearing is permitted?' which is exactly what I was getting at...

I was also banned for the duration of most of that thread iirc, and didn't read the forums as a result.

 

[nath]

Originally posted by xane
I refer the gentlemen to the answer given three months ago

Thanks!

Except that seems to talk about the abuse and not really about the swearing at all (I actually checked that thread before going in to this whole thing).

So it looks as if swearing will be less tolerated now that in was then. Ted didn't seem to mind swearing much, it was abusiveness that he wanted to stop.

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by nath
it was abusiveness that he wanted to stop.

Which I condone! Before anyone gets the wrong end of the stick. I just swear far too much as it is.