Ho ho ho Assange being dragged out of Ecuadorian Embassy?

[Aoami]

has it been said why he chose the ecuadorian embassy in particular?

 

[Embattle]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19289649

 

[TdC]

the obvious aside, while Ecuador has an extradition treaty with the US, it can not be applied to cases of a political nature.

 

[Tom]

surely if he speaks infront of the embassy he'll just be arrested? the path infront of it and the building itself is not ecuadorian, only a specific part of the building is I believe (that part not being the front)

 

[BloodOmen]

Lol, so what he's going to tell the UK their mother is a hamster and their father smells of elderberries xD?

 

[Raven]

Diplomatic vehicles also enjoy the same sovereignty as the building. He could get to Ecuador if he wanted.

 

[BloodOmen]

Diplomatic vehicles also enjoy the same sovereignty as the building. He could get to Ecuador if he wanted.

he couldn't tho? he has to step on British soil to get into said vehicles and sooner or later he has to step out of said vehicles again to get on a plane etc.

 

[Tuthmes]

 

[Gumbo]

he couldn't tho? he has to step on British soil to get into said vehicles and sooner or later he has to step out of said vehicles again to get on a plane etc.

Yes, and a diplomatic vehicle can be stopped. At some point he'd have to get out if he wanted to eat, and it's going to get pretty stinky in there in a day or two.

Regardless, he has breached his bail conditions, which our judiciary will see as quite an affront. They took a chance on trusting him to do as he was told, in exchange for him not having to sit in jail whilst he appealed it, and he shoved it up their arse by walking into the Embassy. It's a bad idea to piss off judges.

Besides, when did it become ok to suprise sex someone, just cos you have a cool job?

 

[Raven]

He didn't though, did he?

Or was the a conviction we don't know about?

 

[old.Tohtori]

I think this is, once again, appropriate;


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI


Though someone should make one for England

 

[Raven]

Drop it on parliament.

 

[BloodOmen]

Yes, and a diplomatic vehicle can be stopped. At some point he'd have to get out if he wanted to eat, and it's going to get pretty stinky in there in a day or two.

Regardless, he has breached his bail conditions, which our judiciary will see as quite an affront. They took a chance on trusting him to do as he was told, in exchange for him not having to sit in jail whilst he appealed it, and he shoved it up their arse by walking into the Embassy. It's a bad idea to piss off judges.

Besides, when did it become ok to suprise sex someone, just cos you have a cool job?

No idea what to think of these alleged assault allocations tho tbh, seems like to much of a coincidence to be legit as it surfaced around the time he released the cables from the USA which says to me its just made up shit to get him extradited... that said there is always the possibility it is true and he's playing the whole "Oh noes the government is out to get me" card to try and get away with it, I guess we'll never really know.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt due to the magnitude of the situation and how shady the USA has been in the past over such matters.

All of the above said I do hope he gets out of the UK because the last thing we need is the UK fucking over the Ecuadorian embassy because its like a house of cards, once they fuck over that Ecuadorian Embassy pretty much any UK Embassy around the world is going to get the same if not worse treatment... not to mention people could use it as a basis for future arguments to gain access to other embassies.

 

[Gumbo]

He didn't though, did he?

Or was the a conviction we don't know about?

Well he's currently evading justice isn't he. It'll be up to the courts in Sweden to decide, assuming he's charged. If he wasn't this geek hero, say he was a politician, accused of raping 2 young swedes, and then hiding in another country, there'd be outrage all over this forum.

Some of what Wikileaks has released makes sense to be in the public domain. A lot of the corporate stuff, some of the governmental stuff. A lot doesn't and has put people in very real danger. There's a famous misquote about us sleeping soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do us harm. War is dirty, dirty things are done in order to prosecute wars. Wars are not fought according to some chivalrous code like knights jousting. Secretive things need to be done, always have been done, and will need to be done in the future. It's how the world turns.

Crusading geeks who can't or won't understand it, or just want to wave their digital willys because they've obtained some information which confirms what the rest of us grown ups already know, aren't going to change anything. They're just likely to make it harder for those people who are protecting us and our way of life to do their dangerous and dirty jobs.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Then again Gumbo, has there been a really good reason for the western civilization to go to war in the past 20 odd years?

 

[ECA]

Well he's currently evading justice isn't he. It'll be up to the courts in Sweden to decide, assuming he's charged. If he wasn't this geek hero, say he was a politician, accused of raping 2 young swedes, and then hiding in another country, there'd be outrage all over this forum.

How is he evading justice when the first prosecutor dismissed it, he hasn't been charged ( no arrest warrant either ) and he's agreed to be interviewed by a) video link b) if swedish proscutor comes to him c) written questions via his lawyer.

Seems like sweden is doing an awful lot to extradite someone for an interview ( so the us can then extradite him from sweden ), rather than follow justice - or they'd be happy to interview him as above.
And that isn't even going in to how utterly lacking in merit the case is.

 

[Gumbo]

Then again Gumbo, has there been a really good reason for the western civilization to go to war in the past 20 odd years?

That is a whole new debate, and pro thread derailer that you are, it doesn't change the fact that western governments have been. For what it's worth, personally, I think Iraq 2 was a terrible thinly veiled revengeful oil grab, but we were right initially to go into Afghan, but should have been out again about 7 years ago. The snatches intelligence operations and drone striking are bang fucking on though, and should and will continue for probably decades to come. You simply don't know how many bombings/mumbai style attacks have been stopped because of massive amounts of secret shit happening.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I merely meant that if there's no good reason for war, wouldn't the awful things done in the name of war(while acceptable in say the WWs I didn't say nazi! It's not godwin!) then be unacceptable since there's no good reason to war in the first place?

 

[Lamp]

'Okay, Mr Assange. It's time we got you to the airport.'

 

[Mabs]

How is he evading justice when the first prosecutor dismissed it, he hasn't been charged ( no arrest warrant either ) and he's agreed to be interviewed by a) video link b) if swedish proscutor comes to him c) written questions via his lawyer.

Seems like sweden is doing an awful lot to extradite someone for an interview ( so the us can then extradite him from sweden ), rather than follow justice - or they'd be happy to interview him as above.
And that isn't even going in to how utterly lacking in merit the case is.

exactly, and im pretty sure the rape case came up suprisingly soon and after the wikileaks things, convenient "vile crime" to force his removal to sweden wasnt it...

 

[Raven]

Well he's currently evading justice isn't he. It'll be up to the courts in Sweden to decide, assuming he's charged. If he wasn't this geek hero, say he was a politician, accused of raping 2 young swedes, and then hiding in another country, there'd be outrage all over this forum.

No, they just want to talk to him. They haven't charged him with anything and he has offered to talk to them here or answer any questions via writing. The case has been thrown out once and the girls he was knocking off only came up with the idea they were raped when they found out he was doing them both, before that they were bragging about it, they have changed their stories several times.

Some of what Wikileaks has released makes sense to be in the public domain. A lot of the corporate stuff, some of the governmental stuff. A lot doesn't and has put people in very real danger. There's a famous misquote about us sleeping soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do us harm. War is dirty, dirty things are done in order to prosecute wars. Wars are not fought according to some chivalrous code like knights jousting. Secretive things need to be done, always have been done, and will need to be done in the future. It's how the world turns.

The recent wars have been illegal for reasons of greed, ie oil and the control of oil. He has uncovered evidence of mal-practise by governments, obviously they don't like this so have thrown their toys out of the pram. Very little put anyone's lives at risk, accept for the fact that it uncovered shortcomings in the political system.

Crusading geeks who can't or won't understand it, or just want to wave their digital willys because they've obtained some information which confirms what the rest of us grown ups already know, aren't going to change anything. They're just likely to make it harder for those people who are protecting us and our way of life to do their dangerous and dirty jobs.

lol at the geek pop...on a gaming forum. You big man you.

Besides, my way of life is perfectly fine thanks very much just as it was before, I can't say the people of Iraq or Afghanistan were causing me all that much trouble before but maybe you're different?

He is someone who has stepped on governments toes and now they want him. He isn't running away from a rape charge because he has not been charged with rape. They tried to and there was no case. He is seeking asylum because of a flaw in the legal system. Much the same as a Chinese dissident would seek refuge in our embassy in China. If we do forcefully take him by using anti-terrorist legislation (what, anti-terrorist legislation being misused again?!?!) then we are setting a very dangerous president for embassies around the world, not only four UK citizens in a much shittier places than a trumped up rape claim and upsetting the Americans but actually fearing for their lives from oppressive regimes.

Put the tabloid newspaper down and look into it properly.

 

[Gumbo]

Or perhaps he was using his celebrity and status to do bad things to fans of his in the knowledge that they wouldn't report him because he's so awesome!

A lot is made of the 2 girls meeting up and only then reporting it. There's been a ton of times where victims of child abuse have met up, sometimes years later through facebook etc, and together have found the courage to report it, having been to afraid to do it on their own.

I don't know, I'm not the prosecuter, I'm not his defence lawyer, I'm certainly not a judge or jury. There's just often 2 sides to things, hero worship does tend to blind people and look for conspiracies behind everything. The rape case came up shortly after the wikileaks things, yes. have you seen Assange? Perhaps he had problems getting girls alone with him before he became the media whore, er crusader for truth that he so clearly is.

 

[Raven]

A lot is made of the 2 girls meeting up and only then reporting it. There's been a ton of times where victims of child abuse have met up, sometimes years later through facebook etc, and together have found the courage to report it, having been to afraid to do it on their own.

Yeah, all those victims of child abuse bragging about it. See it all the time!

 

[rynnor]

I don't know, I'm not the prosecuter, I'm not his defence lawyer, I'm certainly not a judge or jury. There's just often 2 sides to things, hero worship does tend to blind people and look for conspiracies behind everything. The rape case came up shortly after the wikileaks things, yes. have you seen Assange? Perhaps he had problems getting girls alone with him before he became the media whore, er crusader for truth that he so clearly is.

I dont like him - he is a media whore but the accusations against him are not of rape nor even a crime in the uk and the facebook bragging came out before any accusations so the whole thing is clearly to entrap him.

 

[rynnor]

Again not that the UK government needs to use the Act since getting out of the embassy will be nearly impossible, the methods you've suggested Rynnor were covered earlier and they generally won't work.

The treaty of vienna does not permit the interception of diplomatic packages - if I was the ecudorians Id start mailing large crates and see if anyone was stupid enough to open one.

 

[Embattle]

No matter how many times you say treaty of vienna it won't change the practical reality that it won't work as proven in such attempts before this, nor is there a need to open it to see its contents.

 

[Kryten]

So the upshot is:
Assange is a cocky cunt who requires punishment - this isn't up for argument. The rights and wrongs of what was leaked into the public domain are neither here nor there. And *noone* is actually sure of the full scale of problems this has caused for various people.
One possible form of this punishment, thanks to some Backward Yanks (tm) is the Death Penalty. Damn that's wrong, this is 2012 but still...
Sweden want him to have words about rape/sexual assuault allegations made by former employees/volunteers of WikiLeaks - quite likely bollocks but enough for him to be whisked away to the US to be buggered either partly or fully.
Ecuador have been dragged into it purely as that's where he chose to run to, breaking his bail conditions in doing so. And in doing so, making him look as guilty as a teenager who's just quickly turned off his monitor as you walk into their room. This guy is supposed to be intelligent... his actions so far therefore mean a) he actually is fucking stupid or more likely, as we know he's an intelligent bloke b) he actually know's exactly how to play people's rules and he's taking the piss. And inferring more guilt in doing so.
Ecuador have then made themselves look like cunts by allowing asylum.
And thereafter I've utterly lose interest. I can summise:
Assange is a cock regardless.
Politics, politicians and governments are cocks.

So, head in sand, make sure my own family is safe and healthy and get on with our lives rather than worrying about some cocksure muppet who's digging his own hole rather impressively. The only way anything would come right of all of this is for the entirity of the planet to be blown to smithereens so the survivors unite as one and some sci-fi shit like that. These people will continue to be cunts and no amount of internet avengers or smelly student protestors is going to change it.

 

[Scouse]

Assange is a cocky cunt who requires punishment - this isn't up for argument.

Why?

 

[megadave]

I don't see how avoiding being sent to America to spend the rest of his life in jail or worse without a fair trial makes him stupid?

 

[TdC]

So the upshot is:
Assange is a cocky cunt who requires punishment - this isn't up for argument.

oh yeah? what did he do?