Harvey Weinstein

[fettoken]

Race and people are two completely separate terms and two completely different meanings.

Black African American atheist or Back Zimbabwean zoroastrian are the same race but different 'people'. Or white English protestant and American mormon...

I do know that, of course. It's not the technical term that bugs me, it's on a ideological level.

"Very simply, with race. It's not a tough concept unless you're a racist"

This sentence annoys me.

/Off topic mode off!

 

[Scouse]

It's not the full sentence though is it @fettoken, and doesn't convey the idea.

 

[old.Osy]

A Hacker Hero Has Been Banned From Cyber Conferences After Decades Of Inappropriate Behavior

 

[Job]

Just fucking admit it - you want it to be redefined so that you can get away with being discriminatory towards a ethnic minority without being told you're a twat.

What the even fuck did you manage to convolute that conclusion from my point.

 

[Job]

Aled Jones off the TV for sexting girl 10 yrs ago.

 

[Raven]

Storm in a teacup according to morrissey.

 

[DaGaffer]

Agh, John Lassiter now. C’mon Hollywood, this is getting ridiculous.

 

[Job]

Richard Branson put his head between some fat chicks breasts and made a motor boat noise.....

 

[CorNokZ]

Richard Branson put his head between some fat chicks breasts and made a motor boat noise.....

I thought that was mandatory billionaire stuff?

 

[Raven]

Richard Branson put his head between some fat chicks breasts and made a motor boat noise.....

Who hasn't though?

 

[fettoken]

Who hasn't though?

It's not too late to, right?

 

[Raven]

Fat birds love to be complimented on their tits. It's all they have.

 

[Job]

Should I report sexual harassment if I then slept with the man?

 

[Raven]

I like the bit where she says she fucked him, used him for a reference then binned him.

Typical guardian bullshit...

 

[Job]

Forget that one..looks like its all kicking off at the book fair.
UK transgender rights row intensifies as book fair is cancelled

 

[CorNokZ]

This whole thing will end up emasculating men, and if a 15 year old boy tells a girl he fancies her, he'll end up in jail for being a filthy predator.

I've had a girl, quite aggressively, approach me in a bar wanting the D. This was after very little conversation and making it clear that I was married and had a kid. At one point I told her to fuck off, that I had no interest and then removed myself from the situation. No further trouble after that. Can't see why women shouldn't be able to do the same.

If your boss approaches you inappropriately tell him to back the fuck up. If he keeps doing it you go tell HR or the police. No need to get married, divorced, become an alcoholic, fuck him, take advantage of this status on social media and THEN complain about him touching your knee seven years ago

 

[Ormorof]

In this scneario what happens if a woman does as you suggest and nothing happens? Or worse she is fired?

If its a small community industry suddenly shes unemployed and wont get hired anywhere because the manager plays golf with the managers of other companies...

In Nordics this is unlikely due (who plays golf lol, but seriously unions guys get them) but in many western countries this goes on and is the scenario faced. Comparing it to you being in a bar being faced by a horny woman is laughable tbh

 

[Tom]

If your boss approaches you inappropriately tell him to back the fuck up. If he keeps doing it you go tell HR or the police. No need to get married, divorced, become an alcoholic, fuck him, take advantage of this status on social media and THEN complain about him touching your knee seven years ago

What if you're 17, it's your first job and you're frightened of losing it? What if you don't understand what abuse is?

Your post is blaming the victim. You should be writing "If you're a boss approaching employees inappropriately then you need to back the fuck off. If you keep doing it, perhaps you'll be demoted or lose your job. No need to marry them because it'll end in a divorce anyway, it won't be a pleasant experience and you'll be hugely financially inconvenienced. Your name will be mud and all this because you were 45 years old, couldn't keep your hands off a vulnerable 17-year-old girl who didn't know better and ended up bedding her because it made you feel like a player. And as if your life isn't now bad enough, you've ruined someone else's too."

 

[CorNokZ]

What if you're 17, it's your first job and you're frightened of losing it? What if you don't understand what abuse is?

Your post is blaming the victim. You should be writing "If you're a boss approaching employees inappropriately then you need to back the fuck off. If you keep doing it, perhaps you'll be demoted or lose your job. No need to marry them because it'll end in a divorce anyway, it won't be a pleasant experience and you'll be hugely financially inconvenienced. Your name will be mud and all this because you were 45 years old, couldn't keep your hands off a vulnerable 17-year-old girl who didn't know better and ended up bedding her because it made you feel like a player. And as if your life isn't now bad enough, you've ruined someone else's too."

This is exactly what I am talking about. Of course the boss needs to fuck off, but there will always be creeps. And you need to stand up for yourself and tell these creeps to get bent.

I will be teaching my daughter that creeps will cross her path in life and she needs to tell them to keep their hands off her, regardless of their position in life. At the same time I'll teach my son not to be a creep, and keep his hands to himself until he's invited to.

"He touched my knee seven times and I never told him no", is pretty much an invitation in my book. How would a guy with sub-standard social skills otherwise understand that situation? Some guys don't get the message unless they are fucking told.

 

[Ctuchik]

This is exactly what I am talking about. Of course the boss needs to fuck off, but there will always be creeps. And you need to stand up for yourself and tell these creeps to get bent.

I will be teaching my daughter that creeps will cross her path in life and she needs to tell them to keep their hands off her, regardless of their position in life. At the same time I'll teach my son not to be a creep, and keep his hands to himself until he's invited to.

"He touched my knee seven times and I never told him no", is pretty much an invitation in my book. How would a guy with sub-standard social skills otherwise understand that situation? Some guys don't get the message unless they are fucking told.

Dude stop approaching this argument from a testosterone filled alpha male's point of view. It's not applicable for women...

 

[Raven]

Yeah man, check your privilege, or whatever.

 

[DaGaffer]

Dude stop approaching this argument from a testosterone filled alpha male's point of view. It's not applicable for women...

Hmm, I note with interest that Tom immediately went to "17 year old girl - 45 year old boss" territory, whereas in the Guardian case above she freely admits she's "an adult", that the "harrasser" didn't pursue her until after her marriage split, and then she had a relationship with him. At what point is a man supposed to know "no means no" here? After they've had kids perhaps?

There are a billion grey areas here but the narrative has gone into full-on "all men are abusers" and more worryingly, "all women are victims" mentality. Its right and proper to look at a Harvey Weinstein and see the mismatch in power that leads to an unacceptable situation, but it looks increasingly like we're saying women have no agency at all. Now this is certainly saying nothing good about men, but its not exactly an endorsement of women either.

 

[Tom]

I haven't read the article quoted, I wasn't referring to that. It's the responsibility of someone in management not to abuse their position more than it's the responsibility of an employee to deal with said abuse.

In my first job my boss was often a bully. I didn't realise it at the time, I thought that was just adult life. Now I'm older I recognise it for what it was, he treated me the same way my father did. It took me a long time to realise what appropriate behaviour was and screwed with my perceptions of life and how people should behave, I didn't really mature until I was in my 30s. I still find myself subconsciously resenting authority now and again and have to remind myself that whoever it is I'm resenting is often just trying their best to do a difficult job.

So yeah, I'll take the side of those who are taken advantage of any day over those in a position to take advantage.

 

[Gwadien]

I haven't read the article quoted, I wasn't referring to that. It's the responsibility of someone in management not to abuse their position more than it's the responsibility of an employee to deal with said abuse.

In my first job my boss was often a bully. I didn't realise it at the time, I thought that was just adult life. Now I'm older I recognise it for what it was, he treated me the same way my father did. It took me a long time to realise what appropriate behaviour was and screwed with my perceptions of life and how people should behave, I didn't really mature until I was in my 30s. I still find myself subconsciously resenting authority now and again and have to remind myself that whoever it is I'm resenting is often just trying their best to do a difficult job.

So yeah, I'll take the side of those who are taken advantage of any day over those in a position to take advantage.

Snowflake

 

[Access Denied]

Peronally I think this #MeToo movement is beginning to take things way too far. Some of the stories I've read have done nothing but trivialise the very real issue of harassment. My best friend is a woman, a gay one at that. She's also a feminist and has some prominent (And aquired through experience) misandrist leanings. We've had many discussions on this subject and one thing she said that has really stuck with me is that some women don't know how to respond to advances by men because they're afraid of how the man will react. That fear shouldn't be there, a woman (Or a man) should be free to reject advances without fear of negative and sometimes physical reactions.

However, I feel that what this current climate is doing is painting all men with the same brush. Don't get me wrong, there are far too many sexual predators out there but how many advances are made by the well intentioned but ignorant? How many are innocent but clumsy attemps at flirtation? Before my friend had said that, it had never crossed my mind that a woman wouldn't outright reject any advances of mine for fear of my reaction. I make no apologoes for those men who knowingly abuse their position, for those men who are true sexual predators, for those who harass women, even when it's made clear the women aren't interested. Those men deserve everything they get. I just think we need to sit back and have some perspective before we allow a trial by media.

The way things are going (And this is taking it to extremes) I can see interactions between people being completely stifled because people will be too damn worried about offending someone or being labelled a predator. Approaching and making advances towards someone you find attractive is essential for the propogation of our species. Obviously there are times and places where such advances are inappropriate but even then it can be subjective.

In the past I was always hesitant to approach a woman I found attractive because I was worried about being rejected. That's less the case as my self-confidence grew but it's now being slowly replaced with worry about being labelled a predator/harasser/misogynist pig for saying "I like you, fancy a drink?"

 

[Scouse]

a woman (Or a man) should be free to reject advances without fear of negative and sometimes physical reactions.

Physical, yes of course. But negative? If you reject someone you could well hurt their feelings. They may act like dicks about it and whilst that's not nice, it's hardly to be totally unexpected. Rejection cuts to the core of humans, so shit happens sometimes.

If it's a bit of verbal and then walking off, so be it. You've learned that you made the right choice and that bloke (or bird) was a dick.

People need thicker skins.

 

[old.user4556]

This advert has been getting a lot of air time in advance of Christmas and is somewhat relevant to some of this thread. There's a fundamental difference between the sexes which I don't think is ever going to change: women's attitude towards men (e.g. sexual advances) depends on the man, and women's hypocrisy on objectification and sexualisation. I wonder how women would feel about the below advert if it was an 18 year old woman being peeping tom'd at by a bunch of Weinsteins?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unobJ9zXicg

 

[Raven]

Trouble is, who has the time or inclination to be outraged on twitter about it?

Maybe some of our mangina afflicted members can have a moan?

 

[old.user4556]

Trouble is, who has the time or inclination to be outraged on twitter about it?

Maybe some of our mangina afflicted members can have a moan?

Snowflake feminist bloggers.

 

[Access Denied]

Physical, yes of course. But negative? If you reject someone you could well hurt their feelings. They may act like dicks about it and whilst that's not nice, it's hardly to be totally unexpected. Rejection cuts to the core of humans, so shit happens sometimes.

If it's a bit of verbal and then walking off, so be it. You've learned that you made the right choice and that bloke (or bird) was a dick.


People need thicker skins.

Or you could say that no matter if rejection hurts, the rejected party should act like a fucking adult and not throw their toys out for being rejected.