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Trinilim
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it's not a spell
by your definition shield tanks would be hybrids then because they get guard/protect/intercept...
it's not a spell
by your definition shield tanks would be hybrids then because they get guard/protect/intercept...
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Driwen
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Originally posted by Trinilim
it's not a spell
by your definition shield tanks would be hybrids then because they get guard/protect/intercept...
you said it was one though
and yes my definition wasnt precise enough, it has to be a group ability that is actually casted or chanted (which doesnt make it a caster/fighter hybrid but musician/fighter hybrid i think?
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svartmetall
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Logs to prove this claim, please?
I PLAY a Savage and I know just how rare quad hits are.
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I see you all wanna nerf savages..hmm
1. you want 2h savages on hybrid weaponskill (making them a gimped warrior)
2. you want hth nerfed (allrdy have pretty low weaponskill, easy to evade,parry,block)
3. you want 360evade nerfed
4. nerf cheap ra's (making savages gimped warriors)
Compare a savage with a buffbotted warrior with 20%haste for example :
Savages have (in my case) 39%haste, +25%dps, studded armor and very nice evade.
Warriors have guard, slam, intercept, chainarmor, 20%haste and higher weaponskill
nerf dps and we have a gimped warrior
nerf evade and we have a gimped warrior
nerf weaponskill and we have a gimped warrior
what do albs have to counter a savage :
afbuff, ablative, bof, sos, pally ra, pf
Albs keep whining about being hit hard, wtf ??!, do you know how hard I hit on albs with permanent ap1-2/ablative/bof ??
Hitting a cleric for 0-100dmg/hit happens every day.....and yes that sucks.
All I do when that happens is pray that my healers stay alive and try to interupt the cleric the best I can.....
hmm.... i'm drunk atm but I think you get the point
1. you want 2h savages on hybrid weaponskill (making them a gimped warrior)
2. you want hth nerfed (allrdy have pretty low weaponskill, easy to evade,parry,block)
3. you want 360evade nerfed
4. nerf cheap ra's (making savages gimped warriors)
Compare a savage with a buffbotted warrior with 20%haste for example :
Savages have (in my case) 39%haste, +25%dps, studded armor and very nice evade.
Warriors have guard, slam, intercept, chainarmor, 20%haste and higher weaponskill
nerf dps and we have a gimped warrior
nerf evade and we have a gimped warrior
nerf weaponskill and we have a gimped warrior
what do albs have to counter a savage :
afbuff, ablative, bof, sos, pally ra, pf
Albs keep whining about being hit hard, wtf ??!, do you know how hard I hit on albs with permanent ap1-2/ablative/bof ??
Hitting a cleric for 0-100dmg/hit happens every day.....and yes that sucks.
All I do when that happens is pray that my healers stay alive and try to interupt the cleric the best I can.....
hmm.... i'm drunk atm but I think you get the point
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old.Lythande
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25-30% huh. hahahahahahahahahaha. 'k'
Logs please, cuz you just played SuperSavage.
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Novamir
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you're level 35, of COURSE quad hits will be rare.. when we talking about rr5+ savages.. now these guys are fucking mean..
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svartmetall
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RR5 ANYTHING should be fucking mean if specced correctly...
...I'm sorry, Novamir, I'm not having a go at you personally, but I am sick to death of seeing non-Mids going "nerf this" and "nerf that" any time they see a Mid class do well at something. It really does reek of wanting to make sure we're kept neutered and weak so they can kill us more easily.
To use the same logic, there was that SS of an Infil doing 1248 dmg the other day. That means that Infils HAVE to be nerfed, because there's no way anyone with the enormous advantage of being able to be invisible should be doing that kind of damage...which, for the record, I believe to be true.
...I'm sorry, Novamir, I'm not having a go at you personally, but I am sick to death of seeing non-Mids going "nerf this" and "nerf that" any time they see a Mid class do well at something. It really does reek of wanting to make sure we're kept neutered and weak so they can kill us more easily.
To use the same logic, there was that SS of an Infil doing 1248 dmg the other day. That means that Infils HAVE to be nerfed, because there's no way anyone with the enormous advantage of being able to be invisible should be doing that kind of damage...which, for the record, I believe to be true.
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Amadon
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yeh RR5 casters are SO mean
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belth
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So you're advocating that assassins shouldn't be able to do what they're supposed, assassinate? Also, you're advocating a change that would make SBs suffer even more.
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geldor
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i think assasins got over nerfed because of shadow zergers and buffbot users
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tildson
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http://home.student.uu.se/maen0801/quad.jpg
Look! Hardly 1k, imo a nerf is no suitable - big boost instead!
Look! Hardly 1k, imo a nerf is no suitable - big boost instead!
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Driwen
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its a quad on someone with no resists so uhm is the person even lvl 50?
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Novamir
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after more experience today, i'm quite dumbfounded by mythic for producing the savage h2h line.. for eg. in gorge Mumin quadhits every single one in group, seems at least 50%. det4, so cant be mezzed, can't even annihil through the evades.. explain please?
i cant help thinking its a sick joke to taunt the other realms thought up by a mid playing mythic dev
i cant help thinking its a sick joke to taunt the other realms thought up by a mid playing mythic dev
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old.Sko
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hibs with all godmode ra's they have _still_ whine about something
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horil
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50%? yeah right, i'm so sure thats just pure facts as usual from you.
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Novamir
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why do u think i'm making this up? i'd like to see a post from mumin.. we are quite baffled. i honestly can't understand how 2 kobold savages can instant kill two druids in a row with just 1 hit each.. and evade all melee stuns.. i'm not just whining for the sake of it here
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horil
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Well usualy people whining about 2h savages havn't seen high rr hth savage in action which is overpowered, have to admit
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Arnor
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why ppl think you are making it up?
because you throw out a number with NO backing, its just like if I said savages quadhit 70% since I got 2quads in 3 hits once.
because you throw out a number with NO backing, its just like if I said savages quadhit 70% since I got 2quads in 3 hits once.
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Arnor
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does that matter?
all that proves is that if he even cant break 1000 on a dude with shit resists, what you think he does on a dude with 36% resists?
ps: savages need free ip&det5 imo
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old.Lethul
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ok.. ill post something then. savages are stronger than svartmetall says.. quadhits arent taht rare.. 15%-20% sometihng. but its definatly not 50% nova
. And our assist team is 3 savages.. locuz mumin and sushii, not 2 edit: yes, h2h > 2h
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etcetra
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No Arnor, that would make them to good.
But IP, Purge and Det4 at rr3 would be fair.
And det to Thanes! ;||
But IP, Purge and Det4 at rr3 would be fair.
And det to Thanes! ;||
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Driwen
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that was actually why i said it, till i saw he was a mid (thought it was a stupid alb trying to prove savages were doing to much damage), but you cant just put 1 screenie and claim you are cant break some amount of damage. As you could have been unlucky on all 4 hits. There is also no crit nor a proc on that hit and atleast one crit or proc would be more on average
. Anyway without knowing who that person really was, its useless to prove that he did to much damage. But to prove you cant break 1k with just 1 screenie is a little weird and he can still crit+proc on all those hits .
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gwal
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bah, take a look at what ppl are saying, not like this is the only example of savages tearing up everything waaaay too fast - sure, they nerfed zerker, but what good is that to the game when they gave u savage instead. all that has changed is that u now have a tank thats even harder to deal with, and kills basically all support classes just as fast, if not faster cause guard sux vs them, and slam is harder to hit with.
ppl talk about em every day, 2 of them rip apart RR7 minstrels in about 5 secs, and it´s nothing higher than RR3 savages, just imagine them later on
casters just plain die to h2h
await all the nerf and whine threads as u get more zavages, and they rise in RR, gonna be looooads of em
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kinag
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Why don't we all stop playing so you guys don't have to use your energy on whining..?
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svartmetall
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Check the part where I say INFILS should be nerfed
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svartmetall
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Better yet: replace all Mid races with something, let's call it a a "cow", that starts off with 30 Str/Con/Dex/Qui, has no RAs and half the speed of any other race in the game. At level 50 you get auto-respecced to being called a "RP cow" and get to go in the frontier zones, but your race cannot grp with more than 3 others.
Only then will some people stop whining about Mid classes.
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tildson
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Regarding my post/pic of the 1k hit:
No, i did not mean that if i hardly can break 1k vs a guy with such bad resists how could i stand vs good resists etc.
I really did mean that it was a nasty hit, i've made 1k's on r8-r9's aswell.
My point was that h2h is abit too powerful, the quad/trio-rate happends a little too much.
I have played and lvld a r4paladin, r6infil, r4theurg, soon r7 savage, soon r8 enchanter, r3 ranger - the advantage i have playing all these classes and all 3 realms is that i can view most discussions objectively. The Savage evades too much, 2h is overpowered due to the tank table and dps-add, h2h has too high quad- and trio-rate. Whether the Savage should be allowed tank RA's can still be discussed.
You know when something is good, you know when something is abit too good - but you cant admit it
No, i did not mean that if i hardly can break 1k vs a guy with such bad resists how could i stand vs good resists etc.
I really did mean that it was a nasty hit, i've made 1k's on r8-r9's aswell.
My point was that h2h is abit too powerful, the quad/trio-rate happends a little too much.
I have played and lvld a r4paladin, r6infil, r4theurg, soon r7 savage, soon r8 enchanter, r3 ranger
- the advantage i have playing all these classes and all 3 realms is that i can view most discussions objectively. The Savage evades too much, 2h is overpowered due to the tank table and dps-add, h2h has too high quad- and trio-rate. Whether the Savage should be allowed tank RA's can still be discussed.You know when something is good, you know when something is abit too good - but you cant admit it
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Driwen
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wouldnt know that but this was a bad picture to show anything
, person has 0 thrust resists or atleast very little . So it is most likely not a lvl 50 . But to be honest on your rates you paying much attention to them or you are just look at it casually? Because you might forget the single hits and double hits a little bit more often like triple/quad. Might be best to just start a log once of a rvr session and take some actual logs of around 400+swings in real rvr
. Which would settle atleast all the talking about how much savages now swing for.
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tildson
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I have one similar pic at home on my other comp, unstlyled tho, but hits 200(-100) x4
Yes, i frequently scroll up and look after every fight. Most of us do, and i once noticed where i single-hit 3times in a row. That is very rare, and i do notice the tri/quad-rate. Logs? Nothing is good enough to convince the bw-community But if im really bored some day i might login and check the rates from an hour of playing.
400+ swings is pretty rare, unless its a crit. But 250-350 is pretty standard. All you nay-sayers probably didnt thought Zerks needed a nerf aswell - and that kinda tells what kinda person you are
Anyhow, if they lower the quad- and evade-rate you still have a damn great MA. PBT is nullified with h2h, backpos-stun and side-stun makes the class very handy and versatile no matter what damage he makes.
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Yes, i frequently scroll up and look after every fight. Most of us do, and i once noticed where i single-hit 3times in a row. That is very rare, and i do notice the tri/quad-rate. Logs? Nothing is good enough to convince the bw-community
But if im really bored some day i might login and check the rates from an hour of playing.400+ swings is pretty rare, unless its a crit. But 250-350 is pretty standard. All you nay-sayers probably didnt thought Zerks needed a nerf aswell - and that kinda tells what kinda person you are
Anyhow, if they lower the quad- and evade-rate you still have a damn great MA. PBT is nullified with h2h, backpos-stun and side-stun makes the class very handy and versatile no matter what damage he makes.
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Ithurts
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I think savages are overpowered with buffs but very balanced without them. Without buffs we are working as intended, loosing to same rank tanks etc but with buffs we can kill everything 1on1(not joking).
To be honest almost every class in the game is balanced without buffs and only some really benefit from using buffs and thats why imbalance is occured.
Check below for nice dmg
To be honest almost every class in the game is balanced without buffs and only some really benefit from using buffs and thats why imbalance is occured.
Check below for nice dmg