Games Guild Wars 2

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Warrior aoe is better than ele I think

well 1 is melle 1 is castable .. go figure in a keep defense

 

[Tilda]

Na mate, warrior with bow and rifle = some of best aoe dps in game.

 

[Himse]

lol. Guardian is the best 1v1vmany class, if you don't agree then go learn to play guardian. Ele is needed in large cooperated battles, its the best AOE damage (but pretty shite solo)

Honestly, the AOE sucks.

Everyone just see's the tooth or the pheonix coming at them with s/d combo and they just move, and staff AOE hits for dick.

The damage is so bad without using arcane power and managing to keep the target in place fire wise.

Air is just kinda shitty, it's ok but could be better, it'd be good if s/d had the stun.

Earth is terrible, the earthquake ability is useful, the massive aoe sucks, cast time is 100x too long to make it worthwhile.

I like the idea of the class, but when everything outdamages me, I don't want to play it.

 

[- English -]

Well I can only speak from what guildies have said .. some aoe abilities stacked with damage and haste skills hitting over 5k a time isnt too bad tbh ..

 

[Himse]

Well I can only speak from what guildies have said .. some aoe abilities stacked with damage and haste skills hitting over 5k a time isnt too bad tbh ..

Yeah you hit for 5k if you go glass, it sucks, you'll die in 3 hits and wonder why you bothered haha!

 

[Ctuchik]

I like the idea of the class, but when everything outdamages me, I don't want to play it.

Totally agree, the skills on most weapons for elementalists are really odd.

Scepter is ok:ish but staff or dagger MH is just stupidly horrible.

 

[AngelHeal]

Totally agree, the skills on most weapons for elementalists are really odd.

Scepter is ok:ish but staff or dagger MH is just stupidly horrible.

U tried playing a mesmer with Staff?
i just rolled elementalist because it's way better then mesmer with staff

 

[- English -]

You guys aren't realising and are misunderstanding the potential of these classes.

They are not all wtfp solo classes which will kill anything. If you want that, you should play WoW or something which gives you that sugar rush. The only class which appears to drop things within a few seconds is a thief .. but they have their drawbacks (i feel useless in sieges and often resort to taking siege equipment). I know mesmer especially sucks(perhaps understatement) in PVE, i've tried myself and I also know alot of people who say they suck until high level, in which they come very good.

Guild Wars 2 is about team work, Ele, guardian, mesmer (all of which has been mentioned in the last day) are the 3 most important classes in WvW(although warriors have become a necessity since turtling was discovered).

Perhaps I am lucky to have a well coordinated guild, and without it i'd be thinking the same as you guys. However, i'd like to ask if you have for example ever tried mesmer bombing? This must be one of the best skills in game. It doesn't do much solo, but transporting a zerg from 1 location to another instantly into the mists of enemy guild is priceless. Its all about teamwork.

Ele's, they have aoe (ok might not be as good as warriors apparently) but they have several aoe spells, also static field which is a very good spell and are needed versus zergs.

Guardians .. do i need to say how effective they are .. solo and in zerg conditions, they have such a large array of skills and are needed in all instances.

 

[- English -]

Should add if you do want to go around solo in WvW, then GW2 really isn't the game at the moment, well not for me. I can take 2-3 people at once, but often find myself short of motivation due to the lack of rewards/rp system as I am used to in DAOC. It gets annoying when you do die that you need to repair armour.

 

[Mabs]

been pretty apathetic towards WvWvW tbh, logged in this morning, saw this... gave up
will try again when the servers swap around

 

[Gahn]

been pretty apathetic towards WvWvW tbh, logged in this morning, saw this... gave up
will try again when the servers swap around

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Well GH was in exact same situation last time around against DE endless, clockaround Zergs ... ^^

 

[Ctuchik]

U tried playing a mesmer with Staff?
i just rolled elementalist because it's way better then mesmer with staff

They are imo pretty equal in how bad they are with mesmer coming slightly on top because of the phantasms dps.

You guys aren't realising and are misunderstanding the potential of these classes.

Guild Wars 2 is about team work, Ele, guardian, mesmer (all of which has been mentioned in the last day) are the 3 most important classes in WvW(although warriors have become a necessity since turtling was discovered).

Not really, yes it's a team based game but eles and mesmers are still by far the worst soloers in the game.

And not everyone is interested in WvW only, i wouldn't mind some viability in pve as well...

And oh my GOD do i suck... I accidentally added your entire post to quotations.... >.<

 

[Gahn]

They are imo pretty equal in how bad they are with mesmer coming slightly on top because of the phantasms dps.



Not really, yes it's a team based game but eles and mesmers are still by far the worst soloers in the game.

And not everyone is interested in WvW only, i wouldn't mind some viability in pve as well...

And oh my GOD do i suck... I accidentally added your entire post to quotations.... >.<

I won't enter in debate about how viable are Eles or Mesmers solo in PvE, but for God's Sake even in Duo is all much more speedy ... Lfg

 

[Ctuchik]

I won't enter in debate about how viable are Eles or Mesmers solo in PvE, but for God's Sake even in Duo is all much more speedy ... Lfg

I do group, but not always because sometimes i just don't feel like it.

 

[eksdee]

If anyone has a mate who wants to get GW2, I'm looking to off my account. Hardly even played it but willing to let it go for £30.

 

[Urgat]

U tried playing a mesmer with Staff?
i just rolled elementalist because it's way better then mesmer with staff

Mesmer with staff = bad?

Seriously, this is the definition of "Your doing it wrong"

From a mesmer player since BWE1

 

[Himse]

You guys aren't realising and are misunderstanding the potential of these classes.

They are not all wtfp solo classes which will kill anything. If you want that, you should play WoW or something which gives you that sugar rush. The only class which appears to drop things within a few seconds is a thief .. but they have their drawbacks (i feel useless in sieges and often resort to taking siege equipment). I know mesmer especially sucks(perhaps understatement) in PVE, i've tried myself and I also know alot of people who say they suck until high level, in which they come very good.

Guild Wars 2 is about team work, Ele, guardian, mesmer (all of which has been mentioned in the last day) are the 3 most important classes in WvW(although warriors have become a necessity since turtling was discovered).

Perhaps I am lucky to have a well coordinated guild, and without it i'd be thinking the same as you guys. However, i'd like to ask if you have for example ever tried mesmer bombing? This must be one of the best skills in game. It doesn't do much solo, but transporting a zerg from 1 location to another instantly into the mists of enemy guild is priceless. Its all about teamwork.

Ele's, they have aoe (ok might not be as good as warriors apparently) but they have several aoe spells, also static field which is a very good spell and are needed versus zergs.

Guardians .. do i need to say how effective they are .. solo and in zerg conditions, they have such a large array of skills and are needed in all instances.

I've tried all of these, I understand ele, it's not hard to play & position right etc, just I do no damage, the healing is very average etc etc.

The static field agreed is good, but i cba to play a class that has 1 reason, I get it stuff doesn't 1 shot, but I can't out damage any class.

 

[Soazak]

Honestly, the AOE sucks.

Everyone just see's the tooth or the pheonix coming at them with s/d combo and they just move, and staff AOE hits for dick.

The damage is so bad without using arcane power and managing to keep the target in place fire wise.

Air is just kinda shitty, it's ok but could be better, it'd be good if s/d had the stun.

Earth is terrible, the earthquake ability is useful, the massive aoe sucks, cast time is 100x too long to make it worthwhile.

I like the idea of the class, but when everything outdamages me, I don't want to play it.

Just need to consider the spec really, Ele are actually really strong when played right. There is just so much versatility with the class it's hard to see it at first. For example, with a good Power/Crit build, RTL, Updraft, Ring of Fire > Phoenix > Dragons tooth > Any combo of earth/water/arcane dps is usually enough to take a very large chunk of health from most classes, using Signet of Earth to stop them dodging it. Also when used in that order you get a good lot of might stacks from the fire field combos (it's pretty key to try form all your dps combos around field bonuses).

Personally, I'm liking other builds right now away from the typical Scepter/Dagger Crit/Pow/Vit builds, aura builds for example can do 1v1 and 1v2 very well, as can the defensive builds such as this: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/66164-elementalist-capavility-for-1v2/page__hl__ 1v2

I'm running a variation of this aura build on my Ele and it's really strong in small fights http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJAodhMmabux3gjEAkHtoSJBFCgwogIiCPA;ToAAzCpo2xsjYH7Oudk7MMYWC Probably stronger than my warrior overall, but with Ele I need to be more alert irl to make it work...warrior still works well when I'm half asleep irl

 

[svartalf]

I am used to in DAOC. It gets annoying when you do die that you need to repair armour.

Ehm.. Did they change DAoC later on, then?

Now here#s a little story 'bout a man named Repairman...

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJlREtq2dhQ

 

[- English -]

You dont have to repair con if you die in RVR..

 

[Ctuchik]

Mesmer with staff = bad?

Seriously, this is the definition of "Your doing it wrong"

There is no "doing it wrong", i use the gear i get from hearts and story missions as i do with all my toons. But my ele and mesmer are the only ones where doing that doesn't work.

 

[Himse]

Just need to consider the spec really, Ele are actually really strong when played right. There is just so much versatility with the class it's hard to see it at first. For example, with a good Power/Crit build, RTL, Updraft, Ring of Fire > Phoenix > Dragons tooth > Any combo of earth/water/arcane dps is usually enough to take a very large chunk of health from most classes, using Signet of Earth to stop them dodging it. Also when used in that order you get a good lot of might stacks from the fire field combos (it's pretty key to try form all your dps combos around field bonuses).

Personally, I'm liking other builds right now away from the typical Scepter/Dagger Crit/Pow/Vit builds, aura builds for example can do 1v1 and 1v2 very well, as can the defensive builds such as this: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/66164-elementalist-capavility-for-1v2/page__hl__ 1v2

I'm running a variation of this aura build on my Ele and it's really strong in small fights http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJAodhMmabux3gjEAkHtoSJBFCgwogIiCPA;ToAAzCpo2xsjYH7Oudk7MMYWC Probably stronger than my warrior overall, but with Ele I need to be more alert irl to make it work...warrior still works well when I'm half asleep irl

That's exactly the rotation ive used, RTL>Updraft>Arcane Power>ROF>Phoenix>DT>5 skill, Takes a large chunk of health, but then after that I seem a bit buggered.

Lacking the DPS after that burst is my problem really, I notice my thief can keep up dps numbers even without Heartseeker.

Anyway I'll give that Aura build a go and see what's what.

 

[AngelHeal]

Mesmer with staff = bad?

Seriously, this is the definition of "Your doing it wrong"

From a mesmer player since BWE1

perhaps you're right..
However the only thing i seem to be doing is removing boons and adding conditions when it comes to large scale warfare...
Without a proper group... useless.


note: why butterflys?!! they dont make elementalists cast puppys or kittens do they?

 

[- English -]

That's exactly the rotation ive used, RTL>Updraft>Arcane Power>ROF>Phoenix>DT>5 skill, Takes a large chunk of health, but then after that I seem a bit buggered.

Lacking the DPS after that burst is my problem really, I notice my thief can keep up dps numbers even without Heartseeker.

Anyway I'll give that Aura build a go and see what's what.

Heart seeker was good before the nerf, think most go for pistrol whip + haste now = insane damage

 

[svartalf]

been pretty apathetic towards WvWvW tbh, logged in this morning, saw this... gave up
will try again when the servers swap around

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Come over to GH!

Seriously though, your boys gave us a thrashing at SM in EB earlier. It seems to be a reasonable matchup. Blue takes all our stuff during the night, then it takes us all day to take it back with blue resisting all the way, and green poking their nose into our zone at the same time.

 

[Mabs]

Come over to GH!

erm, what ? Oo

 

[Urgat]

They are imo pretty equal in how bad they are with mesmer coming slightly on top because of the phantasms dps.

Not really, yes it's a team based game but eles and mesmers are still by far the worst soloers in the game.

And not everyone is interested in WvW only, i wouldn't mind some viability in pve as well...

Seriously, i take extreme issue with this generalisation.

The way YOU play a Mesmer or ele might mean you cant solo on it, and are not viable in PVE. But that doesn't mean it's true for the rest of us.

I spend 90% of my time in WvW solo on my mesmer and do very, VERY well thankyou. I win almost all my 1 on 1 fights, and i do very well vs two or even three or four players depending on their skill. I even took an upgraded supply camp SOLO while it was defended by a (admitadly.. bad) necro player!

I can MELT pve mobs solo, and i can take multiple elite mobs solo.

I honestly believe your simply not utilising the class correctly, and that you simply don't understand the nuances and hidden synergy in the weapons and trait trees. In fact, i would go as far as to say that alomst all "complaints" about any given class in GW2, are because people are still expecting to be able to just mash buttons like in other MMOs... GW2 doesnt work like that... you have to actually KNOW how to play, and do the research into appropriate builds and playstyles.

Some classes are more forgiving of this lack of awareness of the games mechanics... The mesmer and ele are probably two of the LEAST forgiving classes when it comes to this.

Again.. if you think eles and Mesmers (or any class for that matter) are bad... You are HONESTLY "doing it wrong"

 

[AngelHeal]

Seriously, i take extreme issue with this generalisation.

The way YOU play a Mesmer or ele might mean you cant solo on it, and are not viable in PVE. But that doesn't mean it's true for the rest of us.

I spend 90% of my time in WvW solo on my mesmer and do very, VERY well thankyou. I win almost all my 1 on 1 fights, and i do very well vs two or even three or four players depending on their skill. I even took an upgraded supply camp SOLO while it was defended by a (admitadly.. bad) necro player!

I can MELT pve mobs solo, and i can take multiple elite mobs solo.

I honestly believe your simply not utilising the class correctly, and that you simply don't understand the nuances and hidden synergy in the weapons and trait trees. In fact, i would go as far as to say that alomst all "complaints" about any given class in GW2, are because people are still expecting to be able to just mash buttons like in other MMOs... GW2 doesnt work like that... you have to actually KNOW how to play, and do the research into appropriate builds and playstyles.

Some classes are more forgiving of this lack of awareness of the games mechanics... The mesmer and ele are probably two of the LEAST forgiving classes when it comes to this.

Again.. if you think eles and Mesmers (or any class for that matter) are bad... You are HONESTLY "doing it wrong"

Would be mind posting a couple of screenshots or give us info about what build u are using? and what gear u have?

 

[Himse]

Seriously, i take extreme issue with this generalisation.

The way YOU play a Mesmer or ele might mean you cant solo on it, and are not viable in PVE. But that doesn't mean it's true for the rest of us.

I spend 90% of my time in WvW solo on my mesmer and do very, VERY well thankyou. I win almost all my 1 on 1 fights, and i do very well vs two or even three or four players depending on their skill. I even took an upgraded supply camp SOLO while it was defended by a (admitadly.. bad) necro player!

I can MELT pve mobs solo, and i can take multiple elite mobs solo.

I honestly believe your simply not utilising the class correctly, and that you simply don't understand the nuances and hidden synergy in the weapons and trait trees. In fact, i would go as far as to say that alomst all "complaints" about any given class in GW2, are because people are still expecting to be able to just mash buttons like in other MMOs... GW2 doesnt work like that... you have to actually KNOW how to play, and do the research into appropriate builds and playstyles.

Some classes are more forgiving of this lack of awareness of the games mechanics... The mesmer and ele are probably two of the LEAST forgiving classes when it comes to this.

Again.. if you think eles and Mesmers (or any class for that matter) are bad... You are HONESTLY "doing it wrong"

I can play the class jsut fine, i don't think it's BAD, it's not like I die alot on ele, I just don't seem to putting out the damage, i'll just have to give it another go.

 

[Urgat]

Sure.
However - first, I apologise for the tone of that last post... after reading it back, it comes across as far more of a "rant" than I intended it to be.
　
Second thing... go back a page and watch the video I posted. Bare in mind that it is my first ever video in any game, and so the video itself isn't one of the best out there. It does however serve to illustrate the solo mesmer play that I spend most of my time doing currently. Some of the opponents in that video are "under par" in my opinion, and, I believe, represent the exact folks I am talking about... People who just don't understand the underlying mechanics of the game, or the intricacies of their chosen class properly. The best fight by far is the final one with the thief who know exactly how to play her class and chosen spec properly. She ALMOST had me, it was a good fight. I also have footage of me vs multpl opponents, that will hopefull make it into the next video when I have time to do it.

As to my build...

I run Sword / pistol & Greatsword.
I am in a full yellow set, with 3 Orange pieces so far. The stat combinations are...

POW / Tough / Vit on armour and weapons, (soldier gear)
Pow / Pre / Tough on jewellery (Knight gear)

I have enough power to hurt, enough prec to get a base 35% (ish) crit chance, and enough tough and vitality to take damage from multiple sources.

I run a 10/30/0/25/5 build that is traited with a view to providing focused direct damage via a combination of my direct damage and crits, plus enhance damage and crits from phantasms.

A full combo from the izerker, me, and an iduelist will drop in the region of 8k+ damage on an opponent (and that's a conservative estimate) Follow up with a stun and further pressure and most people are in "survival mode" for the rest of the fight.

The weapon choice offers me an excellent variation in utility and raw damage (gap closer, root, stun at range, invul, knockback, cripples), and the utility powers i chose (Decoy, blink, feedback, mass invis) compliment my build by bringing excellent evasion and deception to the table.

Final note on staff... Before I finalised my build to be Sword/pistol & Greatsword. I did a great deal of pve and pvp with staff instead of greatsword. There is no doubt the staff is one of the most defensive weapons in the mesmer's arsenal. in fact I would go as far as to say it is unsurpassed in that regard. You are literally UNKILLABLE while stood in a chaos storm with chaos armour up. Correct timing of those two key abilities (and the free chaos armour you get for tele porting whilst inside a chaos storm) are VITAL to using the staff effectively.

In the end I dropped it in favour of a more aggressive build using the weapons I decided on.

The same principles can be used to debunk most complaints about class balance.. People just need to do the research, and understand how their chosen class works. This isn't a button mashing game, a properly researched and played toon, will wreck someone who didn't bother to learn the mechanics, regardless of classes involved, every single time. I think this is what leads to people believing their class is rubbish. (case in point... someone further up complaining about guardians... holy shit! Guardians are AWESOME when played properly. I haven't done THAT much research into guardians, but I could put together 1 or 2 BRUTAL builds if I needed to! Guardians who have done their research properly are CRAZY good!)

Hope that helps.