George W. Bush

[Sadireh]

Pretty obvious we all have our own views we are sticking to. We dont have to agree but I would like to show you an analogy of the way I see things, maybe just to help you understand why I come to the conclusions that I have.
The way I honestly see the wars and terrorism etc...
Its like walking outside your house one day and right above your door is a beehive (hornet or wasp nest whatever). I could just leave it alone, since if I make trouble and try to move it I could get stung. But then I think it will always be there, never know when I could get stung and it will always be hanging over my head. So what I would do in that situation is take it to the hive. Get a broom and bugspray lol I guess the analogy and point im trying to make is, instead of letting possible terrorism and dictatorships linger and hang over my head, never knowing when they might sting. I feel its best to just get rid of it fast. You might get stung a few times in the process, but then its done and over. I know some might say, but who are you to decide who should be gotten rid of fast etc, but hey maybe you didnt like the way it started or the way it was done, but we all admit al qaeda, taliban and saddam werent wonderful humanitarians, they are the bees in my opinion.
Probably didnt make much sense, but hope someone who disagrees with me can at least understand where some of us are coming from.

 

[Ala]

Just watched the news ( a rare thing I do) on the latest attacks in Istanbul

UK Consulate and British bank blasted to buggery killing 27 (+?) including the top UK diplomat in the city, Consul-General Roger Short and wounding hundreds

All this timed with Bushs' British visit

War is evil.

I'm depressed

 

[Sadireh]

One last post, to help answer some of the questions I saw here about the UN and the US, and the Coalition.
The Coalition of the willing included...

Afghanistan: Afghanistan has pledged its support for the U.S. backed effort to disarm Iraq. May open airspace to U.S. and allied military flights.

Albania: Offered to send troops. Approved U.S. use of airspace and bases.

Angola:
Australia: Sent 2,000-strong force of elite SAS troops, fighter jets and warships to the Gulf.

Azerbaijan:

Bahrain: Headquarters of the U.S. Fifth Fleet.

Bulgaria: Offered use of airspace, base and refueling for U.S. warplanes; sent 150 non-combat troops specializing in chemical and biological warfare decontamination.

Canada: Sent military planners to join U.S. counterparts at their command post in Qatar. A destroyer and two frigates sent to the region could protect U.S. ships.

Colombia:
Croatia: Airspace and airports open to civilian transport planes from the coalition.

Czech Republic: Sent non-combat troops specializing in chemical warfare decontamination in response to U.S. request.

Denmark: The government decided to take part in the military action with submarine, surface ships, and a medical team comprised of 70 elite Jaegerkorps soldiers.

Dominican Republic:
El Salvador
Eritrea

Estonia

Ethiopia: Ethiopia has publicly pledged its support for the U.S. backed effort to disarm Iraq.

Georgia: Georgia has expressed strong support for the U.S. attack on Iraq, and has offered both its airspace and military bases to support the campaign.3
Greece: U.S. naval base in Crete serves U.S. sixth fleet and supports Navy and Air Force intelligence-gathering planes.

Honduras:
Hungary: Hosts a U.S. base where Iraqi exiles are trained for possible post-war administrative roles. NATO can use the country’s roads, railways and airspace to carry military support for Turkey’s defense. May open airspace for U.S. military flights.

Iceland:
Italy: Offered logistical help and use of military bases and ports under longstanding NATO commitments.

Japan: Japan expressed unequivocal support for U.S. plans to forcibly disarm Iraq. Will provide post-conflict assistance.

Jordan: Opened its airspace to coalition planes; hosts U.S. troops carrying out search and rescue operations in western Iraq and manning a Patriot anti-missile defense system.

Kuwait: Hosts coalition forces massed for an invasion.

Latvia: Government has decided to ask parliament to authorize the deployment of a small number of troops.

Lithuania: Authorized use of airspace for U.S. backed mission to disarm Iraq.

Macedonia
Marshall Islands:
Micronesia:
Mongolia:
Netherlands: A few hundred Dutch troops are stationed in Turkey to operate three Patriot missile defense systems, allowing movement of U.S. troops and supplies from Germany through the Netherlands en route to the Persian Gulf.

Nicaragua
Norway: Offered to send 10,000 chemical warfare suits to Turkey.

Philippines: The Philippine National Security Council offered political support for a U.S. led war to disarm Iraq.

Poland: To deploy up to 200 troops in the Gulf region, which will perform an unspecified non-combat role, supporting the U.S.-led offensive. A few dozen Grom elite commando troops and transport ship already stationed in the Gulf area, as part of the Afghanistan campaign, could be enlisted.

Portugal: Made available NATO air bases and an air base in the Azores.

Qatar: Hosts a mobile HQ for U.S. Central Command; allowed Washington to expand an airfield to handle more combat jets.

Romania: Airspace and a base open to U.S. warplanes; sent non-combat specialists in chemical decontamination, medics, engineers and military police in response to a U.S. request. Will make available Black Sea air and naval bases.

Rwanda:
Saudi Arabia: U.S. and British planes use its Prince Sultan Air Base to enforce a "no-fly zone" over southern Iraq.

Singapore:
Slovakia: Sent non-combat troops specializing in chemical warfare decontamination in response to a U.S. request. Has approved U.S. flyovers and use of its bases.

Slovenia: Signed the Vilnius 10 declaration supporting the United States

Solomon Islands:

South Korea: Seoul will dispatch some 500 army engineers to support a U.S. led war on Iraq, in addition to post-war assistance.

Spain: Strongest ally of the United States and Britain. Promised use of its NATO bases for a strike on Iraq. Spain will send a medical support vessel equipped with nuclear, biological and chemical treatment facilities. A frigate and 900 troops will accompany the support vessel in the event of a conflict.

Taiwan: Taipei opened its airspace to U.S. military aircraft.

Turkey: Hosts U.S. planes enforcing "no-fly" zone in northern Iraq. Parliament has rejected a resolution to allow use of airspace and deployment of American troops for an attack on Iraq but the cabinet was to debate the resolution again on Tuesday with a possible parliamentary vote on Wednesday. (Update: 3/19 Turkey has granted the United States the use of its airspace.)

Uganda:
Ukraine: Agreed to U.S. request that it send chemical warfare and nuclear decontamination experts

United Arab Emirates: Base for U.S. reconnaissance aircraft and refueling; host to an estimated 3,000 western troops. Has pledged 4,000 troops supported by Apache attack helicopters, Leclerc tanks, BMP3 amphibious armored vehicles, a missile boat and a frigate to defend Kuwait in case of war in Iraq.

United Kingdom: Washington's chief ally on Iraq has sent or committed 45,000 military personnel, planes and warships.

Uzbekistan

The count was 54, with 15 quiet contributors France and Germany also provided conditonal support.

 

[chosen]

Norway: Offered to send 10,000 chemical warfare suits to Turkey.
thats my country

 

[Ceap]

yes, the 'Coalition of the Willing' was vast.... but....

the coercion that went on to secure it involoved behind the scenes promises of aid, or rather, its withdrawal if governments voted against. this was so bad one of the UN staff quit over it, leaking infomation to the press regarding it.

example: US ambaassador to Syrian ambassador (following Gulf War 1, Syria voted against invasion): That was the most expensive 'no' you ever cast.

US canceled all aid to syria the next day...

 

[seeaira]

Originally posted by Sadireh
One last post, to help answer some of the questions I saw here about the UN and the US, and the Coalition.
The Coalition of the willing included...

Afghanistan: Afghanistan has pledged its support for the U.S. backed effort to disarm Iraq. May open airspace to U.S. and allied military flights.

Albania: Offered to send troops. Approved U.S. use of airspace and bases.

Angola:
Australia: Sent 2,000-strong force of elite SAS troops, fighter jets and warships to the Gulf.

Azerbaijan:

Bahrain: Headquarters of the U.S. Fifth Fleet.

Bulgaria: Offered use of airspace, base and refueling for U.S. warplanes; sent 150 non-combat troops specializing in chemical and biological warfare decontamination.

Canada: Sent military planners to join U.S. counterparts at their command post in Qatar. A destroyer and two frigates sent to the region could protect U.S. ships.

Colombia:
Croatia: Airspace and airports open to civilian transport planes from the coalition.

Czech Republic: Sent non-combat troops specializing in chemical warfare decontamination in response to U.S. request.

Denmark: The government decided to take part in the military action with submarine, surface ships, and a medical team comprised of 70 elite Jaegerkorps soldiers.

Dominican Republic:
El Salvador
Eritrea

Estonia

Ethiopia: Ethiopia has publicly pledged its support for the U.S. backed effort to disarm Iraq.

Georgia: Georgia has expressed strong support for the U.S. attack on Iraq, and has offered both its airspace and military bases to support the campaign.3
Greece: U.S. naval base in Crete serves U.S. sixth fleet and supports Navy and Air Force intelligence-gathering planes.

Honduras:
Hungary: Hosts a U.S. base where Iraqi exiles are trained for possible post-war administrative roles. NATO can use the country?s roads, railways and airspace to carry military support for Turkey?s defense. May open airspace for U.S. military flights.

Iceland:
Italy: Offered logistical help and use of military bases and ports under longstanding NATO commitments.

Japan: Japan expressed unequivocal support for U.S. plans to forcibly disarm Iraq. Will provide post-conflict assistance.

Jordan: Opened its airspace to coalition planes; hosts U.S. troops carrying out search and rescue operations in western Iraq and manning a Patriot anti-missile defense system.

Kuwait: Hosts coalition forces massed for an invasion.

Latvia: Government has decided to ask parliament to authorize the deployment of a small number of troops.

Lithuania: Authorized use of airspace for U.S. backed mission to disarm Iraq.

Macedonia
Marshall Islands:
Micronesia:
Mongolia:
Netherlands: A few hundred Dutch troops are stationed in Turkey to operate three Patriot missile defense systems, allowing movement of U.S. troops and supplies from Germany through the Netherlands en route to the Persian Gulf.

Nicaragua
Norway: Offered to send 10,000 chemical warfare suits to Turkey.

Philippines: The Philippine National Security Council offered political support for a U.S. led war to disarm Iraq.

Poland: To deploy up to 200 troops in the Gulf region, which will perform an unspecified non-combat role, supporting the U.S.-led offensive. A few dozen Grom elite commando troops and transport ship already stationed in the Gulf area, as part of the Afghanistan campaign, could be enlisted.

Portugal: Made available NATO air bases and an air base in the Azores.

Qatar: Hosts a mobile HQ for U.S. Central Command; allowed Washington to expand an airfield to handle more combat jets.

Romania: Airspace and a base open to U.S. warplanes; sent non-combat specialists in chemical decontamination, medics, engineers and military police in response to a U.S. request. Will make available Black Sea air and naval bases.

Rwanda:
Saudi Arabia: U.S. and British planes use its Prince Sultan Air Base to enforce a "no-fly zone" over southern Iraq.

Singapore:
Slovakia: Sent non-combat troops specializing in chemical warfare decontamination in response to a U.S. request. Has approved U.S. flyovers and use of its bases.

Slovenia: Signed the Vilnius 10 declaration supporting the United States

Solomon Islands:

South Korea: Seoul will dispatch some 500 army engineers to support a U.S. led war on Iraq, in addition to post-war assistance.

Spain: Strongest ally of the United States and Britain. Promised use of its NATO bases for a strike on Iraq. Spain will send a medical support vessel equipped with nuclear, biological and chemical treatment facilities. A frigate and 900 troops will accompany the support vessel in the event of a conflict.

Taiwan: Taipei opened its airspace to U.S. military aircraft.

Turkey: Hosts U.S. planes enforcing "no-fly" zone in northern Iraq. Parliament has rejected a resolution to allow use of airspace and deployment of American troops for an attack on Iraq but the cabinet was to debate the resolution again on Tuesday with a possible parliamentary vote on Wednesday. (Update: 3/19 Turkey has granted the United States the use of its airspace.)

Uganda:
Ukraine: Agreed to U.S. request that it send chemical warfare and nuclear decontamination experts

United Arab Emirates: Base for U.S. reconnaissance aircraft and refueling; host to an estimated 3,000 western troops. Has pledged 4,000 troops supported by Apache attack helicopters, Leclerc tanks, BMP3 amphibious armored vehicles, a missile boat and a frigate to defend Kuwait in case of war in Iraq.

United Kingdom: Washington's chief ally on Iraq has sent or committed 45,000 military personnel, planes and warships.

Uzbekistan

The count was 54, with 15 quiet contributors France and Germany also provided conditonal support.

Thats a lot of counties who saw a need to do something.. and most of us sit by with no REAL inside information pointing a finger damning them.. I trust my leader thats what it comes down to.. and there is no ONE country to blame here...

 

[Sibanac]

seeaira, can i ask you why you think the invasion of Iraq was needed ?

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by seeaira
Thats a lot of counties who saw a need to do something.. and most of us sit by with no REAL inside information pointing a finger damning them.. I trust my leader thats what it comes down to.. and there is no ONE country to blame here...

it has netherlands in it, who for sure didnt want the war in Iraq to happen this way. It allows the US airspace, because the USA is its ally and allowing them to move is more to keep them happy than saying the war is ok. The patriotmissiles are to potrect a fellow NATO country again not to help fight the war, we didnt agree on.
Yes the goverment of netherlands agreed that getting rid of Saddam was a good thing, but we didnt like that is was without the UN and possibly without a clue what to do after you had won the war(which seems to be proven true).
I think that most of the countries in that list only signed up as to not be put on a blacklist of the USA like France and to have some control over what happens next in Iraq. So not to lose potential commercial contracts and to be able to help the Iraqi's after the war.
Countries like Japan, who expressed it support is more of a diplomatic move. You know the USA is going to do it anyway, so better stay on the good side of the US than lose respect of them and gain nothing in return. However Japan did promise troops, but week ago they seemed to be delaying the sending of their troops.
As I said earlier the USA could have taken out Saddam on its own and probably would have done so, but if they had they would probably not have listened to anyone what they should do with Iraq after the war and relationships with every other country would have been badly damaged. So you still have an Iraq without Saddam and you cant control anything that is going to happen there and wrecked your relationship with the US. So thats not really a good situation, better to help fully like the UK/Australie or like most of the countries in Sadirehs list by allowing troop movement/use of airspace/helping out Turkey against a possible threat.

Sadireh what did the countries who you have standing nothing besides it? You included countries pledging their support, so the 19 countries with nothing besides it must have done that atleast?

Originally posted by Sadireh
Its like walking outside your house one day and right above your door is a beehive (hornet or wasp nest whatever). I could just leave it alone, since if I make trouble and try to move it I could get stung. But then I think it will always be there, never know when I could get stung and it will always be hanging over my head. So what I would do in that situation is take it to the hive. Get a broom and bugspray lol I guess the analogy and point im trying to make is, instead of letting possible terrorism and dictatorships linger and hang over my head, never knowing when they might sting. I feel its best to just get rid of it fast. You might get stung a few times in the process, but then its done and over. I know some might say, but who are you to decide who should be gotten rid of fast etc, but hey maybe you didnt like the way it started or the way it was done, but we all admit al qaeda, taliban and saddam werent wonderful humanitarians, they are the bees in my opinion.

However you could have dropped the hive on the ground accidental and get stung by all the bees and possibly die...
You could have called someone with a suit that doesnt allow you to get stung by the bees and stay indoor yourself or borrow such a suit and be safer than you were. All Im saying is that yes Saddam, Al Qaeda and the Taliban shouldnt be running a country/existing. However there were better ways to deal with Saddam atleast than you did.
However the only way to get rid of the Al Qaeda/decrease its power significant is to make sure that most people on the world suiciding in the hope your family lives will be better isnt worth it as your own life is to much worth. So yep we will probably get stung a few times doing that, but better start on it now and get stung a few times more in a year than get stung a few times less a year, but for a way longer time and in the end get stung more.

 

[Vireb]

Originally posted by seeaira
Thats a lot of counties who saw a need to do something.. and most of us sit by with no REAL inside information pointing a finger damning them.. I trust my leader thats what it comes down to.. and there is no ONE country to blame here...

uhm
was that AFTER USA had already DECIDED were going , if so then maybe these countries are thinking shit we need to help out here to make sure usa dont fuck this country over big time

 

[Vireb]

Originally posted by Driwen

Sadireh what did the countries who you have standing nothing besides it? You included countries pledging their support, so the 19 countries with nothing besides it must have done that atleast?

it dont matter those 19 countries to usa were nothing they dont have huge amounts of funds, military , oil, or trade with usa so therefore USA dont give a shit........ if they had there blessing or not america will just do whatever it wants and not give a damn about anyone else nice attitude tbh

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Vireb
it dont matter those 19 countries to usa were nothing they dont have huge amounts of funds, military , oil, or trade with usa so therefore USA dont give a shit........ if they had there blessing or not america will just do whatever it wants and not give a damn about anyone else nice attitude tbh

yes, but Im just curious why Sadireh did mention them, but not say what they were actually did. She mentioned a Japan and Ethiopia who has only expressed that they might want to help and that they think it is good, which is sort of the smallest amount you can do. So Im curious what those other 19 countries did.
I agree though with you that of the 35 who actually "did" something all of them, except maybe UK/Spain/Aus., only joined in when it was obvious the US was going to do it anyway.

 

[Ala]

Originally posted by seeaira
Thats a lot of counties who saw a need to do something.. and most of us sit by with no REAL inside information pointing a finger damning them.. I trust my leader thats what it comes down to.. and there is no ONE country to blame here...

I believe they saw a need to do something too..................................."Oh shit look what the US is doing ....oh man I don't wanna be on the recieving end of their bombs.......eek!......what are we gonna do.......f*ckit!........erm......we should team up with 'em...... "
The pressure was enormous to 'join' the coalition of the willing. Jeez even that title for them 'willing', it's like so strategically named. In all honesty they should have called them -
'Coalition of countries who are shitscared of telling the US to stick their war or afraid-with-good reason that the US will take back whateverthehellnewsparklysounding deal we just made with you'...
but I guess thats just a mouthful...

You trust your leader.......... I don't trust your leader. I don't trust our leader (puppet for Bush).

No ONE country to blame......exactly, that's why the UK and Australian public now live in fear of terrorism too.

What really pisses me off is that the people in power are so fucking safe from the bombs!!!! It's only the fighters and civillians who suffer!! All these assholes saying "yeah!! War!! We will not be pushed around!! I will SHOW you!!" Are SAFE from bombs. That just is the most fucked up thing about it all imo

As I see it... US pushed for this war in Iraq...even before 9/11.

I have never, NEVER feared being an Australian. Now I have a fecking bullseye painted on my forehead.

Thanks Prime Minister Howard. Thanks US & UK

 

[old.Dillinja]

No country is safe.

 

[Conchabar]

lol ure an aussie? which part ? im going there soon

 

[Ala]

Originally posted by Conchabar
lol ure an aussie? which part ? im going there soon

Sydney m8

The weather is beautiful 'cept we have had heavy rain the last 2 days and tonight is rugby finals....it's gonna be a mudbath :great:

 

[Coim-]

I lived in Australia for like... 6 months. In a small town called Belmont or something, about an hours drive from Sydney.

 

[old.Dillinja]

The terrorists have something big planned for London. The Istanbul attacks were only the beginning. I find it hard to believe that with all the support we are giving to the Americans they would let us away with a couple of suicide bombers. The UK is definitely next on the list, and I'm pretty sure if they hit us they will hit us where it hurts most, at our capital. I really don't think you Aussies have anything to worry about on your turf atm.

 

[Ala]

Originally posted by Coim-
I lived in Australia for like... 6 months. In a small town called Belmont or something, about an hour's drive fomr Sydney.

No wonder you left

 

[Ala]

Originally posted by old.Dillinja
The terrorists have something big planned for London. The Istanbul attacks were only the beginning. I find it hard to believe that with all the support we are giving to the Americans they would let us away with a couple of suicide bombers. The UK is definitely next on the list, and I'm pretty sure if they hit us they will hit us where it hurts most, at our capital. I really don't think you Aussies have anything to worry about on your turf atm.

Bollocks! Look at the Bali bombings m8! Your dreaming if you think we aint gotta worry. Besides I LIVE here, I have received the Governments little booklets in the post on how to protect yourself against terrorism!
I mean if you want to believe your next on the hit list, be my guest, I'm not trying to say we are on the top of the list but I've not got my head up my arse thinking it won't happen to me.

..and no I'm not saying ur head is up your arse, etc

 

[seeaira]

Originally posted by Vireb
it dont matter those 19 countries to usa were nothing they dont have huge amounts of funds, military , oil, or trade with usa so therefore USA dont give a shit........ if they had there blessing or not america will just do whatever it wants and not give a damn about anyone else nice attitude tbh

Point to America all you want hun, end of the day YOUR country went along.. YOUR country ignored the people.. YOUR country lost lives in this as well.. and you say you didnt want to go? you say its all blaire? Nice attitude IMO.. your country just ignored you.. on the other side.. MY country wanted to go.. and our leader listend. Nice attitude imo. so when you point the finger at a country you say is crap.. remember.. you like in the UK. where your leader ignored the people. Nice country.. are you proud?

And when the day comes where these people you are so worried about attack you.. you will call to the USA for help.. :sleeping:

 

[Conchabar]

england is americas lap dog nuff said tbh

 

[Coim-]

Originally posted by seeaira
Point to America all you want hun, end of the day YOUR country went along.. YOUR country ignored the people.. YOUR country lost lives in this as well.. and you say you didnt want to go? you say its all blaire? Nice attitude IMO.. your country just ignored you.. on the other side.. MY country wanted to go.. and our leader listend. Nice attitude imo. so when you point the finger at a country you say is crap.. remember.. you like in the UK. where your leader ignored the people. Nice country.. are you proud?

And when the day comes where these people you are so worried about attack you.. you will call to the USA for help.. :sleeping:

Oh yes. The whole of America was all for the war. There was absoloutely no protests.

How exactly does being proud of our country have anything to do with us having a bad prime minister?

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by seeaira
Point to America all you want hun, end of the day YOUR country went along.. YOUR country ignored the people.. YOUR country lost lives in this as well.. and you say you didnt want to go? you say its all blaire? Nice attitude IMO.. your country just ignored you.. on the other side.. MY country wanted to go.. and our leader listend. Nice attitude imo. so when you point the finger at a country you say is crap.. remember.. you like in the UK. where your leader ignored the people. Nice country.. are you proud?

And when the day comes where these people you are so worried about attack you.. you will call to the USA for help.. :sleeping:

Don't misunderstand. We were all with you after 9/11. But now......... times change.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by seeaira
Point to America all you want hun, end of the day YOUR country went along.. YOUR country ignored the people.. YOUR country lost lives in this as well.. and you say you didnt want to go? you say its all blaire? Nice attitude IMO.. your country just ignored you.. on the other side.. MY country wanted to go.. and our leader listend. Nice attitude imo. so when you point the finger at a country you say is crap.. remember.. you like in the UK. where your leader ignored the people. Nice country.. are you proud?

Blair did the right thing and I dont think Vireb said he didnt agree with UK going along. He just said that they didnt go along, because they thought it was the right t hing to do for the US, but that it was the right thing for those countries as the US was going to do it anyway. Better to help out and have some say of how Saddam is overthrown and how Iraq is rebuild.

And when the day comes where these people you are so worried about attack you.. you will call to the USA for help.. :sleeping:

They are on the attack list because they helped the USA out, if they hadnt they wouldnt be on it or atleast not for some time.


Btw Ala your country was already on the list for terrorism, it was a target because you helped out in Afghanistan and it would be one just because you are reasonable friends with the US. Only option to be safe from Al Qaeda is to have absolutly no contact with muslim nations and have absolutly no contact with the US. Meaning your economy would probably drop, but hey atleast your safe from one terrorist organisation.
Stupidest thing to do is to listen to their threats as thats what they want. Italy has only allowed USA to its country for logistical purposes and sended troops to help out the people in Iraq, they got attacked for it. For just trying to help out the people in Iraq.

Throwing off Saddam was the right thing to do and yes that will piss off Al Qaeda. Mostly because things like this will hurt its powerbase, the more the west manages to change things for the best of muslims. The more people will see that the west doesnt mean to harm them the less power Al Qaeda will have. So yes they will hit us, but they would have done that anyway.

 

[seeaira]

The point is, it seems everyone is out to point the finger at America. I truly would like to know if we had gone in and found weapons of mass destruction how many of you would have been protesting and pointing a finger at America? The fact is it doesn't take a genius to know those weapons could have been hidden or destroyed, I mean hell it was all over the news we were going to attack. But the war isnt over and the fact still stands these are sick sons of bitches who will murder there children to kill you and I. They all need to be killed. More people protested against this then abortions! Ohh kill a child but don't freekin kill MAD men!!

And the thing that gets me is all this Brits out there damning America when they also went along.. pffft Ummm HELLLOOOO I think you were there tooooo. OOoh wait NO! Its all American troops fighting.

And then we here the.. ooo if we didn't agree to go then we would be in bad standing with America.. Well, boo freekin hoo I feel sorry for your country don't have the balls to stand up to America but you have the balls to yell about it on a forum.. Pffft.

This discussion is old.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by seeaira
The point is, it seems everyone is out to point the finger at America. I truly would like to know if we had gone in and found weapons of mass destruction how many of you would have been protesting and pointing a finger at America? The fact is it doesn't take a genius to know those weapons could have been hidden or destroyed, I mean hell it was all over the news we were going to attack. But the war isnt over and the fact still stands these are sick sons of bitches who will murder there children to kill you and I. They all need to be killed. More people protested against this then abortions! Ohh kill a child but don't freekin kill MAD men!!

The problem people have with what the USA did, was that you would have gotten rid of the WMD's without that war and going to war to take out Saddam would risk giving more feeding ground to Al Qaeda and similar terrorist movements and you could end up with an even crazier idiot there after you have left.

If the WMD's had been found then it would still have been said that they wouldnt have been a threat to your own country and more importantly how Iraq is gonna end up in 5 years from now. However we dont know that part yet and lets hope it turns out fine. Saddam is a dictator, but he isnt actually that mad. You could rely on him knowing that pushing the USA to far, would result in him losing his power over his country and ultimately his life.

And then we here the.. ooo if we didn't agree to go then we would be in bad standing with America.. Well, boo freekin hoo I feel sorry for your country don't have the balls to stand up to America but you have the balls to yell about it on a forum.. Pffft.

Uhm actually those countries would have had the balls to stand up to the USA, but it has absolutly zero gain to do so. This isnt a bar fight, this is politics. Im just saying that all those countries in your coalition only went along, because they already understood that the USA was going to do it anyway. So better help out and have some say what is going to happen or atleast help out your relationship with the US. It really has little to do with balls, just about gaining nothing by not helping out and gaining something by doing it.
And people in Spain did have the balls to yell about it irl, they did protest ALOT agains their goverment and I think Ala said in Australia the same thing happened.
People just disagreed with how the US handled it completly, you went in for the wrong reason (WMD's), you claimed you would find them (which you are now saying duh we cant find them as he has hid them) and you didnt think much about what to after you had taken over Iraq.

 

[Coim-]

Originally posted by seeaira
And the thing that gets me is all this Brits out there damning America when they also went along.. pffft Ummm HELLLOOOO I think you were there tooooo. OOoh wait NO! Its all American troops fighting.

And then we here the.. ooo if we didn't agree to go then we would be in bad standing with America.. Well, boo freekin hoo I feel sorry for your country don't have the balls to stand up to America but you have the balls to yell about it on a forum.. Pffft.

This discussion is old.

So wait a minute, every single british person was there fighting? Did you not see all the protests against the war? You're basing the entire opinion of a nation on a proportion of our country, not the whole. In the end, it came down to the government. The funny thing is, you'd never consider accepting that maybe you're wrong. Our whole country doesn't think as one, we don't all have the same opinions.

 

[seeaira]

Originally posted by Coim-
So wait a minute, every single british person was there fighting? Did you not see all the protests against the war? You're basing the entire opinion of a nation on a proportion of our country, not the whole. In the end, it came down to the government. The funny thing is, you'd never consider accepting that maybe you're wrong. Our whole country doesn't think as one, we don't all have the same opinions.

Its not about me being wrong.. I dont make the calls do I? But I agree with that happened and I also know what I dont have all the inside info and I dont need to have it. I leave running the world to the people who are in charge.

 

[Ala]

Originally posted by seeaira

And then we here the.. ooo if we didn't agree to go then we would be in bad standing with America.. Well, boo freekin hoo I feel sorry for your country don't have the balls to stand up to America but you have the balls to yell about it on a forum.. Pffft.

Like I said, Australians held the biggest protest I've ever seen here. Prolly since the Vietnam War. As if Australia can stand up to the US! I might make my tiny voice heard in a protest but at the end of the day the politicians ignore us all and go to war.

'My country doesn't have the balls to stand up to the US but I have the balls to yell about it on a forum'.....

errr yeah that's correct and your point is?

...and it's true that countries would be in bad standing with the US if they didn't join the coalition...so what are you oooing about?

as for the "boo freakin hoo".... that's like the same attitude your 'President' has LOL

 

[Garnet]

Maker love not war!

Bush is a cock, stick Bill Clinton into office again imo or change the laws and make Arnie the president!! xDDDd

ARNIE!!!