Politics General Election 2017

[Talivar]

They will come from the angle of how they believe he should have respected the victims of the London Attack and not said anything today, i saw Sky News earlier and Kay Burley asked a Journalist back in the studio about this and got a indepth explanation and then when she turned to the Tory MP stood next to her on the street, she ignored the whole explanation and instead asked something about the MPs view on Jeremy Corbyn lol

 

[Job]

He went there, lets see Amber Rudd try and tell a priest to cut him off.

Tjats the elephant in the room...everyone knows it, but links with Saudi are so strong we have to turn the other cheek.
Saudi Arabia is probably the most pressing reason to abandon oil.
Send them back to trading camels.

 

[BloodOmen]

They will come from the angle of how they believe he should have respected the victims of the London Attack and not said anything today, i saw Sky News earlier and Kay Burley asked a Journalist back in the studio about this and got a indepth explanation and then when she turned to the Tory MP stood next to her on the street, she ignored the whole explanation and instead asked something about the MPs view on Jeremy Corbyn lol

Oh they'll spin it, it's what they do

The picture people are starting to get now though because this Saudi arms business keeps getting brought up is

The Conservatives rather take blood money from terrorist supporters than raise taxes on high earners in this country.

 

[caLLous]

Theresa May wants to ban crypto: here's what that would cost, and here's why it won't work anyway

 

[Scouse]

Nazi bitch wants to create thought-crimes on the statute book.

Way to not change our entire way of life in response to small numbers of deaths due to terrorist attacks.

 

[BloodOmen]

Theresa May wants to ban crypto: here's what that would cost, and here's why it won't work anyway

 

[BloodOmen]

ULTRA FACEPALM 10X ULTRA COMBOOOOOO-COMBOOOO-COMBOOOOOOO

in all seriousness though, what the actual fuck

 

[Bodhi]

Really canny guess what way you are gonna vote in the election blood hehe

He's voting for more free stuff.

 

[Scouse]

Whereas you're voting for what exactly? What do you gain by voting tory? Unless you're on £80k and stand to pay a little more income tax then you're voting for austerity - which is ideological in nature and a choice - not a necessesity born out of some mystical "living within our means" bullshit.

Equating home economics to government / banking economics is a false comparison. Our monetary system doesn't work like household incomes / expenditure. It's a bullshit line put out by the tories and neocons to con dumb joe public into thinking things have to be run that way - because everyone instinctively understands that if you don't earn enough dough at work you can't have both holidays AND a new TV.

So way to go. Vote for enforced poverty of the masses, poorly funded public services and all the crap that goes with it because you're labouring under the mistaken belief that we're not "living within our means" like some retarded housewife.

 

[Bodhi]

Chances are I'll be voting for the candidate who will be best for my local area (Stafford), and as the incumbent has done a decent job, has experience in the real world starting his own businesses, and is actually a thoroughly decent chap to boot (from a Labour loving fried who has met him), I will probably vote for him. And yes, he is Conservative (the real world experience bit should have been a giveaway).

But yes, I'm also voting Tory becuase I hate the poor, our public services and all that jazz. I've moved on from the ignorant racist I was this time last year, now I hate everyone, not just brown people.

Or maybe I just appreciate, that in order to have well finded public services, we need a productive private sector to pay for it - we can't have one without the other. If you think that Corbyn's hammer the rich policies will actually bring in much extra tax to pay for his spending spree, then I have some magic beans you may be interested in.

 

[Scouse]

Judge 'em on their record. The Tories ARE in power and their "attractive to business" policies have led to crumbling underfunded public services, record levels of working poor on in-work benefits and the lowest growth rate in the G7 - all against a decade of real-terms wage stagnation for the many, whilst the super-rich are coining it in.

They promise more of the same. You don't need to predict the efficacy of their policies - the evidence is plain for all to see - it ain't working.

But continue to vote for the same things based on, er, what rationale? "Sound economic management"?

 

[Ormorof]

Strong and stable leadership

 

[BloodOmen]

He's voting for more free stuff.

Oh? please elaborate.

 

[Bodhi]

Judge 'em on their record. The Tories ARE in power and their "attractive to business" policies have led to crumbling underfunded public services, record levels of working poor on in-work benefits and the lowest growth rate in the G7 - all against a decade of real-terms wage stagnation for the many, whilst the super-rich are coining it in.

They promise more of the same. You don't need to predict the efficacy of their policies - the evidence is plain for all to see - it ain't working.

But continue to vote for the same things based on, er, what rationale? "Sound economic management"?

I'll assume you missed the bit where I'm judging my local MP on his record, and that is pretty good, so I see no reason to vote him out?

 

[Bodhi]

Oh? please elaborate.

As I'm struggling to see any other reason to think Labour are the way forwards?

 

[BloodOmen]

As I'm struggling to see any other reason to think Labour are the way forwards?

I'm not sure you're actually being serious now?

 

[Bodhi]

I'm not sure you're actually being serious now?

Oh sorry I forgot - they'll save the NHS as well!

Even though they are in charge of NHS Wales, who are fucking awful at the moment from what I can tell.

 

[Scouse]

I'll assume you missed the bit where I'm judging my local MP on his record, and that is pretty good, so I see no reason to vote him out?

You're just like a politician. Don't like to answer the question obviously being asked.

I noticed it fine. It's irrelevant in the wider context of the situation.

But fine. We know that Tories could campaign on a ticket of euthanasia for every second child and you'd still justify your vote based on your 'local' MP.

If you were voting in a by-election I'd respect your answer but we all know that in our imperfect voting system we're voting for the ruling party in a general election - and your local guy is going to vote for the ruling parties policies.

But knock yourself out. Be disingenuous. You know this anyway but are dodging the questions on national policy - because you know they don't add up but will vote for more of the same come-what-may.

Madness!

 

[BloodOmen]

Oh sorry I forgot - they'll save the NHS as well!

Even though they are in charge of NHS Wales, who are fucking awful at the moment from what I can tell.

They're offering to do more for the people of this country than the Tories have done in the last 7 years, that's why they're getting my vote.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Bodhi]

You're just like a politician. Don't like to answer the question obviously being asked.

I noticed it fine. It's irrelevant in the wider context of the situation.

But fine. We know that Tories could campaign on a ticket of euthanasia for every second child and you'd still justify your vote based on your 'local' MP.

If you were voting in a by-election I'd respect your answer but we all know that in our imperfect voting system we're voting for the ruling party in a general election - and your local guy is going to vote for the ruling parties policies.

But knock yourself out. Be disingenuous. You know this anyway but are dodging the questions on national policy - because you know they don't add up but will vote for more of the same come-what-may.

Madness!

Well, I'm looking at the lowest unemployment figures since 1975, growth in Manufacturing and Services, tax receipts going up (whilst rates are going down, madness!), public sector funding still growing (maybe not as much as we would like, but having worked for the Public Sector last time they were "well funded" I'm still trying to work out if this is a bad thing), an economy that is still growing, millions getting taken out of income tax altogether by the increase in the personal allowance and crime going down, and I'm thinking things aren't too bad at all.

I'm also looking at the last time the UK had a government along the lines of Comrade Corbyn and his merry band of Marxists. Great if you like going cap in hand to the IMF becuase we are skint, not so great otherwise.

So yes, I will be voting Conservative. There are some Tory policies I fundamentally disagree on (Internet Censorship being the main one), but a lot more Labour ones I think are ridiculous ideas (Nationalising everything, without explaining how that will help, the "Robin Hood" Tax, which along with the Income Tax rises will probably do more to decimate the City of London than Brexit ever will, rather than scrapping HS2 extending the bloody thing even further North, free tuition fees - Universities have never been so well funded, and the resulting Student Loan isn't really debt, given it doesn't show up on Credit reports, and you don't start paying it back til you're on 21k. And of course, this bizarre idea that government bonds aren't borrowing).

So I will walk into my polling booth on Thursday and put a cross next to the Tories with a clear conscience, as I think they will be better for the country than Corbyn's Labour.

 

[BloodOmen]

So I will walk into my polling booth on Thursday and put a cross next to the Tories with a clear conscience, as I think they will be better for the country than Corbyn's Labour.

Totally sticking that in my sig for the next 5 years so I can rub it in your smug face when it goes tits up.

 

[Bodhi]

Totally sticking that in my sig for the next 5 years so I can rub it in your smug face when it goes tits up.

Knock yourself out!

Shall I look forward to the disappointment in your face if it doesn't go tits up? Because hoping stuff goes titsup just to prove a point on the internet makes you a bit of a bell end in my book.

 

[BloodOmen]

Knock yourself out!

Shall I look forward to the disappointment in your face if it doesn't go tits up? Because hoping stuff goes titsup just to prove a point on the internet makes you a bit of a bell end in my book.

I'm not hoping though, I know it's going to go tits up because the moment that NHS disappears (which it will under the Tories), it will fuck millions and the sad part is that isn't even all of what's going to go wrong.

 

[Bodhi]

I'm not hoping though, I know it's going to go tits up because the moment that NHS disappears (which it will under the Tories), it will fuck millions and the sad part is that isn't even all of what's going to go wrong.

So where is the NHS going exactly?

 

[Scouse]

@Bodhi - much prefer that direct answer. Nail your flag to the mast and justify it - I can respect that.

I disagree with you on the details (where the devil is) but fair enough. If that's what you think go for it.

 

[Raven]

Voting Labour to save the NHS is a waste of time. They are demonstrably incompetent.

It either grinds to an unaffordable bloated mess of a stop under Labour or gets sold off by the Tories.

Evil vs incompetent, you decide. (with a big brother voice if people find it more helpful)

 

[Scouse]

Voting Labour to save the NHS is a waste of time

Like pretending you didn't vote for Brexit you're now pretending you're not going to vote Tory because "they're all shit".

Labour started the NHS. The NHS does great things. Tories will sell it off (as stated in the book "we're going to sell the NHS off and this is how we're going to do it" - by our health minister) and I don't want that to happen.

So, even if Labour = Incompetent, Labour still = Have an NHS (no matter how functioning, but frankly, they've saved the lives of people I know, so I'm of the opinion that it's a small price to pay).

 

[Moriath]

Oh? please elaborate.

Labour are promising to spend more money we dont have. Ie create more of a defacite on thigs to sweaten their stance. Its all labour ever do. Throw more debt at a problem. Then the tories get in and have to look like the bad guy when saying well actually we cant afford this and that so we need to cut them some.

As illustrated with the note labour left to the tories about there not being any money left.

We dont tax enough to afford all the stuff you want. So it has to be up to the individuals who can to support them selves more and also reducing public spending on bloated pulic servants and services.

This will never be popular if you are used to getting them. But the country just cant afford it all.

 

[Job]

It's worth remembering that one of the reasons we are in the Saudis back pocket is because Labour bankrupted the economy and we had to go cap in hand to them.
That set in motion where we are today.

I can't vote for someone who even looks like he might be interested in that plot line for the world.