Politics General Election 2017

[BloodOmen]

Tories to exempt highest earners from income tax hikes but make no pledge for everyone else

 

[Gumbo]

I agree wit a lot of what you say and the solution is one very few are willing to even whisper let alone take, we need to accept this generation is lost and put the funding and work towards the next generation and as hard as it is to say that may mean not waiting 8 years to remove the children ect. So many times i work with both Children and Parents and the young children really do tried hard to change things but often it is the parents that sabotage everything.

YES!

The school where we're taking one of the lads that we have is amazing. It is a rebuilt school having been taken over as an academy from what was a shithole. It is really well funded, the staff are young, motivated, amazingly hard working and are doing wonders with the kids that they have. The schools in the worst areas have the best funding, but it's not just that, as the neighbouring school is still a bit shit... We have a great relationship with the Deputy head who has been overseeing these kids for a while, and I got in a conversation with him loosely around politics. I expected the usual teacher leftie bullshit. Turns out he's not even in a union.

None of this schools accomplishments are as a result of any Labour policies...

These kids are getting an incredible start when they're not in the care of their parents. I just wish the model and methods of this school could follow the kids through the rest of their schooling, and show them that there is a different life.

 

[Gumbo]

Tories to exempt highest earners from income tax hikes but make no pledge for everyone else

Because they don't need to make that pledge for anyone else. Their record is clear. They are a party which doesn't like to raise taxes on anyone!

2009/10 tax year, last year of Labour, you could earn only £6,475 before you started to pay tax. This year it's £11,500 that's a massive tax break for everyone who works.

 

[Tom]

Other than doing our best to ensure people are properly educated and protected during childhood, there isn't a solution. You can't allow them to starve. You can't take their children (unless abused). All you can do is try your best to make sure they have their basic needs covered and accept it as a cost of living in a civilised society.

In a few more decades it won't matter anyway. Just as today very few people are involved in agriculture (compared to 100 years ago), society will be so automated and computer-controlled that a very large percentage of us won't need to work at anything.

 

[Talivar]

The problem is Conservatives make it harder to make the changes you want (Gumbo) as they seem incapable of looking at the bigger picture and acting proactively. They seem to think that things will magically improve if more jobs are available. They cannot grasp the complex nature of the human brain and the immense amount of time and energy these "parents" will go through to stay as they are. So instead we end up with only the genuine people being forced to change/work and the rest laugh and carry on and the problem just multiplies as more children are born. An example of how the Conservatives cannot see the bigger picture is the way they are closing the Surestart Children Centres, places that many in poor areas relied on to learn their parenting skills and go to for family support.

 

[Talivar]

Whatever party wins it really is time we switched to early intervention and prevention as opposed to crisis management and fire fighting, that goes for most issues i guess

 

[Gumbo]

Yup. It's extremely complex. And that's probably the answer, it all has to be paid for though It's easy to put a price of £500,000 on the circus around the lads we have at the moment, over just the last 12 months. So who knows, the right interventions, expensive though they may be, might even be cheaper.

 

[Gumbo]

I am still hoping for a complete and total meltdown of Labour, then a new Centrist party to emerge that I could get behind. (Sadly this is a pipedream I'm sure) A party with science and evidence based policies. Pro business, but with a compassionate heart, and the willingness and someday the mandate to make hard hard decisions and follow through on them.

It's fun here in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[Talivar]

Its one of those times where they NEED to spend now to save in the future but that is something the parties seem reluctant to do as they want to make short term fancy promises to help they get elected

 

[Talivar]

On a tangent i am starting to believe more and more that the Tories are trying to lose this on purpose to avoid the Brexit negotiations so Labour have to do it and take the unavoidable fallout.

 

[caLLous]

One way or another I don't see May being PM at the end of the negotiations.

 

[Gwadien]

I'd vote for a party that suggests that we totally decentralise any kind of child related issues to schools, so rather than having council workers going from school to school, schools have their own departments, especially with the rise of 5-18 academies, it would be extremely beneficial.

I just don't see the benefit of having a 'problem child' and then writing the kid off as 'OK' for them to cause issues later on down the line.

It's sad though, the Government drives schools to this idea that we need to support the poorer students in schools - so the students that are more likely to have social issues, however, this usually translates to 'Oh, this kid is Pupil Premium (has a low income) but their predicted grades are super low, so that means we can boost them up without much effort, let's focus on him'

Whereas, I have a number of kids right now who are predicted ridiculously high grades, but are consistently getting -way- under those grades, so the general attitude is don't worry about them as much.

Ofsted need to be scrapped, or change the way that schools are inspected.

 

[Talivar]

Most academies DO have their own departments with a group of pastoral workers trained in Safeguarding and parenting. The problem is as the Government steadily makes the cuts to Schools these staff have gone well beyond their capacity and are now even drafted in to act as Teaching Assistants. I spend a vast amount of time in Schools trying to help the staff understand how best to deal with the issues and basically do the Job their own staff cannot do due to restrictions created by the endless cuts. No matter what May says on the TV the reality is Schools are struggling under her watch and her cuts.

 

[BloodOmen]

Is she just trying to commit political suicide or something?

Theresa May’s ratings go negative for first time, ComRes poll shows

 

[Gwadien]

Most academies DO have their own departments with a group of pastoral workers trained in Safeguarding and parenting. The problem is as the Government steadily makes the cuts to Schools these staff have gone well beyond their capacity and are now even drafted in to act as Teaching Assistants. I spend a vast amount of time in Schools trying to help the staff understand how best to deal with the issues and basically do the Job their own staff cannot do due to restrictions created by the endless cuts. No matter what May says on the TV the reality is Schools are struggling under her watch and her cuts.

I am aware, I'm saying they should completely take over the role of any council based stuff, so the Councils only have social workers for kids who drop out of school or are extreme cases.

 

[Talivar]

Yep but as you know that wont ever happen under Conservatives due to funding

 

[Talivar]

Also Social workers themselves in my area only deal with the highest level now, Child Protection cases, Child in Need and Early help are dealt with by Family Support. So your idea is half realised here, would just need the Schools to be paying the Family Support Workers

 

[BloodOmen]

Whoooops!

 

[Gwadien]

Whoooops!

This is the kinda stuff that doesn't really help.

It's more character assassinations, rather than dealing with the issues at hand.

 

[BloodOmen]

This is the kinda stuff that doesn't really help.

It's more character assassinations, rather than dealing with the issues at hand.

It's already being used by Labour, can't blame them really given how much character assassination Boris Johnson and Amber Rudd have been doing over the last few weeks towards Corbyn.

 

[Gumbo]

I've barely seen Boris to be honest.

 

[Talivar]

He was on Sky News yesterday i think trying to wrestle someone lol

 

[Embattle]

Labour pledges VAT cut to help families on low incomes

 

[Raven]

VAT changes make zero difference. Prices wont come down, just like they didn't really go up when it went from 17.5 to 20%

All it does is put more money in the pockets of shopkeepers.

 

[Gumbo]

That article could just as easily been headlined, "Labour make up economic policy as they're going along, Again!" There's no mention of VAT cuts in their 'costed' manifesto. VAT cuts, proportionately benefit higher spenders more than the poor as well. The basics of life are zero rated anyway. I'm sure the rich will enjoy a couple of percent extra off their luxury goods.

My god they're so economically illiterate.

Promising no raise in tax as well for 80% of people. I even saw a swooshy slider thing that you could play with. It showed no change for the bottom 80%. What it didn't show was that the bottom 80% under the tories will pay less each year in tax because the tories are raising the basic tax free allowance.

So yes, no tax rise under Labour, but No you will be worse off according to that kind of tool as it should show a reduction for the lowest 80% of earners.

 

[caLLous]

 

[BloodOmen]

Yup, seen that, its fucking bullshit, stupid jumped up cow.

 

[Hawkwind]

Odd that fat priest did not look at all like Amber Rudd

 

[BloodOmen]

Odd that fat priest did not look at all like Amber Rudd

... Amber Rudd clearly seen talking to the priest who then gets up and tells him to stop.

 

[caLLous]

Odd that fat priest did not look at all like Amber Rudd

You mean the fat priest who was happily sitting there until Rudd passed him a note, at which point he took action?