Politics General Election 2017

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Gumbo, Apr 18, 2017.

If the General Election was today, how would you vote?

  1. Conservative

    19 vote(s)
    35.2%
  2. Labour

    15 vote(s)
    27.8%
  3. Liberal Democrat

    10 vote(s)
    18.5%
  4. Ukip

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Green

    5 vote(s)
    9.3%
  6. SNP

    3 vote(s)
    5.6%
  7. Other

    2 vote(s)
    3.7%
  1. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Never disputed that - but it absolutely doesn't mean that anti-zionism is automatically antisemitic in any way.

    Israel is an institutionally racist state that gets away with literal murder - and that is down to the fact that it's not secular and based on a religion. And you and I both agree that sky-fairy-worship isn't a good thing to base anything on. - So anyone who isn't jewish in Israel is a second class citizen.

    Which is why this:
    Is a load of bullshit @Bodhi.

    A secular state of Israel? Fine. No problems. No state should get a free pass to be institutionally discriminatory, which Israel is.

    It's not anti-jew to point this out. It's anti sky-fairy states and all the problems that they've got.

    But you already know that. And don't care.
     
  2. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    I thought Israel was secular?

    Checked..it sort of is, but they have appointed religious leaders.

    I would hope the youth just ignore them.
     
  3. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    I think Bodhi's point is that Israel is surrounded by states that institutionally discriminate against Jews. Islamic republics. Out of the Ottoman Empire dozens of Islamic states were born. It may be silly but in that environment having a Jewish one for Jewish people doesn't seem an outlandish idea.
     
  4. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    I do think Israel has a right to exist, and I accept that Israel has to defend itself, but it's not had a proper war against an actual country since the 70s. Israel has gained (rightfully so) a very distrusting approach to its foreign policy, to it's allies as well as its enemies, they're always saying shit which pisses off one nation or another, but they always wag their finger and remind you of the Holocaust, and as it's allies will never give them a proper dressing down for the way that they have treated people in their country for the last 40 years.

    The mentality that they have isn't good for them and it isn't good for trying to create peace in the region, as the most powerful nation in the area, I don't understand why they have to be so hostile to non-Jews.
     
  5. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    You put your own house in order before going "what about this place?" We're happy to pan Saudi for being a bunch of cunts (well, we send 'em weapons, but Saudi is pretty much universally disliked).

    Two wrongs don't make a right. States based on religions are bad in and of themselves - fair enough - but when those states have such a pernicious influence over our own domestic political discourse then we should all feel outraged.

    Anyway. We kind of know where we are on this. I'll leave it alone, and only post the outrageous points of interest :)
     
  6. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

  7. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    I do wonder if this Government will be remembered worse than Thatcher.

    Inb4 M8 DUR WERE RIOTS!

    m8, population is pacified to fuck.

    Tories learnt a lesson.
     
  8. caLLous

    caLLous I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    [​IMG]
     
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  9. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    To be fair, creating an environment where children are A) well educated and B) feel safe would help immensely.

    But then, there are too many humans anyway - so stab away you fuckers. Stab away :)
     
  10. Exioce

    Exioce Part of the furniture FH Subscriber

    Absolutely, particularly from Scotland. Brexit is like the Poll Tax squared.
     
  11. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    I really can't imagine how this will all be judged in the future. Some kind of mass psychosis probably.
     
  12. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

  13. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Knife crime is rocketing because there is no meaningful deterrent..we totally relied on investigating likely offenders and stopping them.
    Add in focus groups crying racist and its now a free for all.
    The sentencing for knife crime is beyond a parody, I dont know how the judges keep their faces straight as they figure in the most utterly bizarre mitigating circumstances into the sentencing.
    I would call it..well, they are just killing their own sentencing.
    A guy in our town had his girlfriend pinched off him..so he went around to the guys house and stabbed him..quite badly three times in the arm.
    He got..first offence..13 years.

    No mitigating circumstance..pre meditated.
    Kids in these areas of London are getting suspended sentences for the same thing.
     
  14. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Do you think 'Kids in London' should get life sentences then for stabbing people?

    Or maybe we should start to question why they are doing it and address that.

    But ofc under a Tory Government it's easier just to say they're evil people and they all need to be locked up for life, that'll sort out the next generation, or.. not..
     
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  15. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Only good thing about harsher prison sentences is that Theresa will be able to give her mates at G4S a bit more £££
     
  16. MrHorus

    MrHorus Can't get enough of FH

    The devolved administrations have had the same resource constraints as the UK Government has - arguably even worse - yet violent crime (and knife crime in particular) is at a historic low in Scotland thanks to the work of the Violence Reduction Unit.

    Somehow this seems to be completely missed in all the conversations in the media.

    Sure the number of coppers on the streets and the budgets to pay for them is an issue, but maybe all the cops in the world won’t help if they aren’t actually doing the right things when they get out on the job and into communities?

    Just a thought.
     
  17. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

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  18. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

    I completely disagree with him, as it doesn't fit in with the Tel Aviv I saw, where Jews and Arabs lived in the same street and got on perfectly well with each other.

    Not sure what relevance this has to Corbyn being a filthy antisemite though?

    Criticism of how Israel is run is fine. Calling Israels enemies "friends" without extending the same courtesy to Israel? Not so much.
     
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  19. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Yeah. You do make the link.

    For Israel to be able to say something so outrageously racist without major international condemnation shows just how powerful their lobbying and smear tactics are.

    Falkoner said it's become an existential issue for Labour. When 0.1% of their membership are under investigation.

    You want brexit at 52-48%. You'd laugh your ass off if it was 99.9-0.1%. But somehow you're sticking to the line that 0.1% = institutional antisemitism.

    You're entirely dishonest.
     
  20. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

    You can torture the statistics any way you like to try to fit your narrative, but the fact remains that The Labour Party are the first political party to be referred to the EHRC since the British National Party. As ever, Corbyn rubbing shoulders with the scum of society.
     
  21. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    99.9% vs 0.1% is not "torturing the statistics".

    The refererral to the EHRC is down to the smears and the lobbying. As you well know.

    But you keep holding on tight to the narrative that you hold so dear.
     
  22. Deebs

    Deebs Chief Arsewipe Staff member Moderator FH Subscriber

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  23. Ormorof

    Ormorof FH is my second home

    Sell it as an IoT knife
     
  24. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

  25. Deebs

    Deebs Chief Arsewipe Staff member Moderator FH Subscriber

    It is ok if this happens cos I will just get myself a scalpel or chisel (self sharpened to a point) or something else. Cos only knives can be used for stabbing....
     
  26. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Screwdriver tbpfh
     
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  27. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    GPS flint.
     
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  28. Deebs

    Deebs Chief Arsewipe Staff member Moderator FH Subscriber

    Have tidied up this thread and moved the 5G posts to their own thread.
     
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  29. fettoken

    fettoken FH is my second home

    My mother would love to gossip in the 5G thread. She acquired Facebook a year or two ago and actively posts clickbaity tinfoilhattery regarding 5G.
     
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