Politics General Election 2017

If the General Election was today, how would you vote?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 19 35.2%

  • Labour

    Votes: 15 27.8%

  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 10 18.5%

  • Ukip

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Green

    Votes: 5 9.3%

  • SNP

    Votes: 3 5.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 3.7%
  • Total voters
    54
Gwadien

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Why didn't these MPs who left the Tory party vote for the no confidence?
 
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I know, but he is spot on in this case.

They are a gang of nobodies who'll have to face their constitcuencies eventually.
 
Wij

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tl:dr

These people won't succeed because they aren't in tune with what the public is demanding, and what the public is demanding is Jeremy Corbyn's policies.

He says there's a huge demand to increase tax on the rich as per Corbyn. I think that's almost but not quite true. I don't think there's a huge demand for rich people to have much higher theoretical tax rates. There's a huge demand for them to stop avoiding tax. If they actually paid 45% of what they made everyone would be pretty happy except some sour-faced Trots. Increasing tax rates without addressing tax evasion would just encourage more of it. Tax evasion / tax havens is best addressed as a group of countries working together not in isolation.

Corp tax should go back to 20% too. My business pays a fair whack of corp tax but I don't need the tax cut. I'm not sure centrist politicians would disagree on that but we'll see.
 
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Wij said:
Corp tax should go back to 20% too. My business pays a fair whack of corp tax but I don't need the tax cut. I'm not sure centrist politicians would disagree on that but we'll see.
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I'd agree with that if corp. tax was actually paid by big business but creative accounting and profit offshoring means that large corporations often pay taxes of less than 1%.

A rise in corp tax just hits small business. Again, not against it - but the large company loopholes don't just need slamming shut but the whole regime needs simplifying so much that it actually becomes police-able - which it currently isn't.
 
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Scouse said:
I'd agree with that if corp. tax was actually paid by big business but creative accounting and profit offshoring means that large corporations often pay taxes of less than 1%.

A rise in corp tax just hits small business. Again, not against it - but the large company loopholes don't just need slamming shut but the whole regime needs simplifying so much that it actually becomes police-able - which it currently isn't.
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I think that was my sentiment anyway.
 
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Are there shadowy business leaders who doesn't want Corbyn in? Yes of course, but when Labour suggest these might be swaying people's choices they get accused of anti semitism :)
 
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Boopdy doopy bloopy boopy

From the guys Wikipedia.

Seems Labour Friends of Israel seems to be a running theme with the Labour resignations.

He was a member of Labour Friends of Israel, while Jonathan Goldstein of the Jewish Leadership Council called him a friend and ally.[23]

I bet if you looked at their last meeting minutes it'd say 'Resign a few days apart so it increases the damage to your own party'
 
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I'll have to say he has totally nailed saying nothing and waiting for it to blow over.

It has served him well so far.
 
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It really isn't a country to pin socialist/communist dreams on, even if it is another country that represents the perfect example of what happens when you do go full retard mode.
 
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Wij said:
This douche again. Calling for solidarity with the murderous kleptocratic regime in Venezuela. This is why I can’t stand Corbynites.


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Solidarity with the people of Venezuela or their leader?

I mean for all the criticism that Chavez received in the West, he was still popular within Venezuela, mainly because Socialism is easy when it's funded by oil.

I mean considering their new leader is rolling into Venezuela on an aid convoy I don't think he's going to be very right wing either.
 
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Im reluctant to believe anything about the situation in Venezuala..all we have is agenda ridden reporting, are those marches the true story..do the vast majority want him out?
I feel its Syria all over again, make a bogeyman and a good guy, the rest falls into place.
Its regime change , simple as that and the entire West is supporting it.
They would never support such a policy on their own soil.
 
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Chavez’ daughter is a multi billionaire.

41 protesters were shot dead yesterday.

Fuck anyone giving that regime the benefit of the doubt.
 
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How is it regime change? The people of Venezuela voted for a new regime but they weren’t allowed it. The elections they had to their congress Maduro lost big style so he just abolished it and replaced it with a load of toadies. Then in the presidential election he just turned to rampant cheating.

It’s not ‘regime change’ when the people wanted a new government.
 
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Venezuela was targeted by the West because it was a Socialist nation, sure they're corrupt as shit, but how many fucked up backwards nations do we support which have massive amounts of corruption at the top? I mean you could argue it's the same in the West, they give their selves cash, our leaders give their selves businesses.

Then the massively charismatic and widely loved leader Chavez died and the new bloke came along who tried to copy Chavez but people weren't buying it, they definitely didn't buy it when oil collapsed and he did what every dictator does when they're under threat; they become hostile.
 
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Gwadien said:
Venezuela was targeted by the West because it was a Socialist nation, sure they're corrupt as shit, but how many fucked up backwards nations do we support which have massive amounts of corruption at the top? I mean you could argue it's the same in the West, they give their selves cash, our leaders give their selves businesses.

Then the massively charismatic and widely loved leader Chavez died and the new bloke came along who tried to copy Chavez but people weren't buying it, they definitely didn't buy it when oil collapsed and he did what every dictator does when they're under threat; they become hostile.
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That’s not an argument for supporting Maduro though is it. Chavez was still popular because the country hadn’t collapsed yet and they didn’t realise what a theiving cunt he was yet.

They voted against Maduro though. How could any country not demand he should go?

(because they haven’t done it for every other country is NOT an argument)
 
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That’s not an argument for supporting Maduro though is it. Chavez was still popular because the country hadn’t collapsed yet and they didn’t realise what a theiving cunt he was yet.

They voted against Maduro though. How could any country not demand he should go?

(because they haven’t done it for every other country is NOT an argument)
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That's what I'm saying, the tweet you posted wasn't exactly clear if it was saying they were supporting Maduro or the Venezuelan people.
 
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Gwadien said:
Venezuela was targeted by the West because it was a Socialist nation, sure they're corrupt as shit, but how many fucked up backwards nations do we support which have massive amounts of corruption at the top? I mean you could argue it's the same in the West, they give their selves cash, our leaders give their selves businesses.

Then the massively charismatic and widely loved leader Chavez died and the new bloke came along who tried to copy Chavez but people weren't buying it, they definitely didn't buy it when oil collapsed and he did what every dictator does when they're under threat; they become hostile.
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Chavez was "widely loved" by the poor and rural Venezuelans, but he was loathed by the middle classes and the educated; most of whom buggered off to Colombia and Panama years ago. One part of the country's problems is that most of the people actually capable of running things aren't there any more.
 
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