Politics General Election 2017

[Deebs]

My mother would love to gossip in the 5G thread. She acquired Facebook a year or two ago and actively posts clickbaity tinfoilhattery regarding 5G.

Invite her over!

 

[fettoken]

Invite her over!

My only sanctuary - can't give this up (she's got Instagram as well).

 

[Job]

This is more like it.

Disgusting moment school kids chant 'Theresa May f*****g wh*re' at climate change march

 

[dysfunction]

You are happy for school children to act like that?

Fits with your profile I guess.

 

[Gwadien]

You are happy for school children to act like that?

Fits with your profile I guess.

I think it's justified for kids at school under this current Government 100%.

I mean kids abroad would be rioting in the streets, they called her a whore, so what.

 

[Embattle]

I think it's justified for kids at school under this current Government 100%.

I mean kids abroad would be rioting in the streets, they called her a whore, so what.

I'm not surprised in the slightest with your reply.

 

[Job]

It could have been worse, they could have called her transphobic

 

[Gwadien]

I'm not surprised in the slightest with your reply.

Don't remember uproar when people were singing ding dong the witch is dead when Thatcher died.

Or can't kids have opinions these days? Shut up and carry on?

 

[dysfunction]

Well if you see nothing wrong with people acting like vermin then I have no hope really.

I'm happy if you protest but acting like a football hooligan especially if you are a child shouldn't be acceptable behaviour.

 

[Job]

Nope.
Swearing at politicians has a wide and dignified user base.

 

[DaGaffer]

Well if you see nothing wrong with people acting like vermin then I have no hope really.

I'm happy if you protest but acting like a football hooligan especially if you are a child shouldn't be acceptable behaviour.

Meh. I've called her worse. Probably on this forum.

To be honest I think British politicians have long since given up any rights to respect.

 

[Wij]

This is worrying:

Theresa May's Brexit Disaster: The Prime Minister of Humiliation - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International

 

[Gwadien]

This is worrying:

Theresa May's Brexit Disaster: The Prime Minister of Humiliation - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International

Pro EU Propaganda.

Please Liberal Elites, stop it.

 

[Scouse]

This is why the tories don't suffer antisemitism claims.

 

[Embattle]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BH_DN-fQK8

 

[Wij]

Don't Underestimate Corbyn’s Pet Stalinist

 

[Embattle]

Haven't we had plenty of stories already about him being a utter cunt.

 

[Wij]

Um

Why young people are abandoning Jeremy Corbyn

 

[Job]

These are the most worrying voters of all, hopefully they grow out of it.

 

[dysfunction]

Grow out of what? Their shoes?

 

[Ormorof]

I find it amusing that Mays logic for not voting in a 2nd referendum is that MPs have rejected it twice, however she will likely ask them to vote on her deal for 4th time? (Or 5th? Im losing count)

 

[Wij]

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

 

[Scouse]

Subscribe to read: FT.

Can you copy-paste the relevant bits and provide a quick synopsis? If it's important enough to mention then it's worth that than just a plain link, no?

 

[caLLous]

Britain is once again the sick man of Europe
If treachery becomes part of the debate, there can only be total victory or total defeat

When I was young, in the 1960s, the UK was known as the “sick man of Europe”, for its prolonged economic weakness. But after Margaret Thatcher’s time as prime minister, this grim epithet no longer seemed applicable. Yet now, once again, as I go abroad — and especially in continental Europe — people ask me, with a mixture of bewilderment, pity and Schadenfreude, “What is wrong with Britain?” I do not pretend to know the answer (or answers). But I can describe the symptoms: the UK is undergoing six crises at the same time.

The first and most important crisis is economic. The starting point was the shock of the 2008 financial crisis. But, today, the most important aspect of this is the stagnation in productivity. According to the Conference Board, output per hour in the UK rose by just 3.5 per cent between 2008 and 2018. Of all significant high-income countries, only Italy’s grew less. Yet that is not because the UK’s productivity is already high. On the contrary, output per hour in the UK lags behind that of Ireland, Belgium, the US, Denmark, Netherlands, Germany, France, Switzerland, Singapore, Sweden, Austria, Australia, Finland and Canada. High employment and low unemployment are good news. But stagnant productivity means stagnant real incomes per head. This means that one group can only get better off if another does worse. This does not make for happy politics. A long period of fiscal tightening has made it unhappier.

The second crisis is over whether national identity has to be exclusive. That question soon turns into one about loyalty. Many are comfortable with multiple identities. Others insist there must only be one. One way of looking at this division is as one between “people from somewhere” and “people from anywhere”, as David Goodhart defines it in his book, The Road to Somewhere. But, once politicised, this becomes far more bitter and divisive. It has been, in Brexit.

The third crisis, Brexit, has weaponised identity, turning those differences into accusations of treason. Normal democratic politics are subsumed within (and managed by) appeals to a higher shared loyalty. Once the idea of “treachery” becomes part of political debate, only total victory or total defeat are possible. Such perspectives are incompatible with the normal give-and-take of democratic life. And so, in fact, it has proved. The country is so evenly divided, and emotions are so intense, that resolution is at present impossible.

The fourth crisis is political. The existing parties, based historically on class divisions, do not fit the current identity divisions between those who are gladly both British and European and those who insist that being the former excludes the latter (at least if by “European” one means “citizen of the EU”). Both main parties are being destroyed in the process, but a new political configuration is yet to emerge.
What's wrong with Great Britain?

The fifth crisis is constitutional (by which I mean that it relates to the rules of the political game). Membership of the EU is a constitutional question. Use of referendums as the device to resolve such constitutional questions is itself a constitutional question. If referendums should decide such things, what must be the role of parliament in interpreting and implementing that decision? What, for that matter, is a sensible decision-rule for a constitutional referendum? Should it be a simple majority or a supermajority? Why did we stumble into this mess, without asking ourselves any of these questions?

The sixth and perhaps most important crisis of all is of leadership. The UK has stumbled from the “essay crises” of David Cameron to the mulish obstinacy of Theresa May. Now it can see before it the prospect of a general election, with a Conservative party led by Boris Johnson confronting a Labour party led by Jeremy Corbyn. These two men do not have much in common. But they seem to me the least qualified potential prime ministers even in a country that is, after all, still a permanent member of the UN Security Council. One is an inveterate buffoon and the pied piper of Brexit. The other is a hardline socialist and a life-long supporter of leftwing despots. With such leaders, the mess can only worsen — and it surely will.

Why so many crises have befallen the country at the same time and how they all relate to one another are really important questions. Poor economic outcomes, in terms of real income growth, are surely related to the rise of national identity as a salient issue, though there are other factors, notably immigration. What matters, however, is not what caused all this, but that it is going to take a long time to sort all this out. The UK will, alas, remain sick for a while.

 

[Job]

Firstly he made most of that up obviously, secondly you could write that article about any country in the world.

The only bit I agree with is the treachery point..the weaponising of opinion.


Whatever.

 

[Ormorof]

Firstly he made most of that up obviously, secondly you could write that article about any country in the world.

The only bit I agree with is the treachery point..the weaponising of opinion.


Whatever.

Which parts are made up?

 

[Gwadien]

Which parts are made up?

Everything Job disagrees with obviously.

 

[Job]

The.
I travel around Europe and everyone I talk to questions what is wrong with Britain.

He means thats what he thinks he would hear if he met the 'right' people.

Couldnt even being himself to directly admit Thatcher turned Britain around from the sick man of Europe.

 

[Job]

Jesus christ will someone just kill this cunt.
His fucking neck, seriously.

Tony Blair: migrants should be forced to integrate more to combat far right

 

[Embattle]

Jesus christ will someone just kill this cunt.
His fucking neck, seriously.

Tony Blair: migrants should be forced to integrate more to combat far right

Well he is right shockingly, not that he did much in his time as PM on the subject.