Politics General Election 2017

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Gumbo, Apr 18, 2017.

If the General Election was today, how would you vote?

  1. Conservative

    19 vote(s)
    35.8%
  2. Labour

    14 vote(s)
    26.4%
  3. Liberal Democrat

    10 vote(s)
    18.9%
  4. Ukip

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Green

    5 vote(s)
    9.4%
  6. SNP

    3 vote(s)
    5.7%
  7. Other

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  1. Rubber Bullets

    Rubber Bullets Resident Freddy

  2. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

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  3. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    Dunno whether it's a brexit backlash, but if you get record numbers joining up in impulse response to something they won't be about for the long haul.

    It does, however, indicate an underlying feeling.
     
  4. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

  5. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    How's he doing that exactly?

    He's absolutely anti-israeli policy. But if other people are dumb enough to confuse anti-israeli policy with anti-semitism he can't be held responsible for that.

    Or have you fallen for the criticise Israel = ANTISEMITE!!!1! idiocy?

    "Fake news" right there Bodhi :)
     
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  6. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

    No I've just seen enough of the anti-semitic abuse his followers dish out on Social Media to know that Labour has a shocking antisemitism problem. That will happen when your leader calls people who want to see the destruction of Israel "friends", and won't denounce any of his followers behaviour.
     
  7. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    I didn’t make the headline. I can’t stand him for lots of reasons.
     
  8. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    Again. You're blaming him for his followers and ignoring that he's come out and in no uncertain terms said he deplores antisemitism in any form.

    But you're gonna think what you're gonna think I guess...
     
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  9. fettoken

    fettoken FH is my second home

    That's the mentality nowadays. I'm talking about the 'I want you to denounce this or you stand for that and are a (insert word)'. Either It's a illness due to people's general lack of attention span due to social media sickness OR just a hostile way to get people in line. Or both? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
     
  10. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Its just a word used to link any argument with the frickin holocaust and crush any debate.
    It can only go on for so long before argument and discussion is pointless and people resort to violence.
     
  11. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

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  12. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

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  13. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

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  14. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Hes raised 100K in crowdfunding to fight the case.

    Because the more money you have the weaker the claiments case is.
    Thats how our 'fair' justice system works
     
  15. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    Political opportunism. If you look at the facts there've been accusations of antisemitism for, like, 0.1% of it's members, 2/3rds of which have been brought by Margaret Hodge, and it's clear which side of the argument she falls on.

    So no, I don't accept Labour is "institutionally racist" - it's just the constant undermining of a party for smaller group (not in the country's) interest.

    Chukka Unumma? If he's so principled why did he bottle throwing his hat in the ring in such a spectacularly weak fashion? In fact, threw it in then a couple of days later went "actually, too scary". If he wanted to run things differently.... I guess he likes to shout from the sidelines happy in the knowledge he won't have actual responsibility for implementing his ideas.

    This is just more of the same shit that's been going on since Corbyn won the democratic election. And a bunch of MP's who are pissy have effectively prevented Labour from being an effective opposition when this country needs it most.

    I've no love for red Jeremy, but as far as I'm concerned the snakes have just put their hands up and gone 'yep, it's us'...
     
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  16. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    And the actual Government actually has more fraction and division, but they're just so desperate to claw onto power.
     
  17. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    Don't agree at all. Luciana Berger has been subjected to vile abuse by Momentum twats. Corbyn and Milne are pissing all over the Brexit policy agreed at the conference. Who's more important to the party, people who've been involved for decades or 2015 entryists?
     
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  18. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    Regardless of the entryism point (democratic entryism) the abuse received from a *tiny* number of activists does not make labour "institutionally racist".

    There are *always* going to be a small number of cunts. Across all parties. Antisemitic slurs are going to be bandied about (and unsurprisingly they increase every timd Israel does something even more violent and racist than last time) - but that doesn't make the party institutionally racist.

    It has some racist members. Big deal. What ya gonna do other than what they're already doing?



    As for entryism. Length of service is no indicator of quality of service. Long-term labour members presided over Iraq and widening inequality. They've had a shot and failed.
     
  19. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Luciana Berger is a massive pro-Israel Labour supporter.

    What's more important, your party or spinning anti-Israel attitudes into antisemitic attitudes?

    The Labour party (rightly or wrongly) has a system where it's members vote for their leaders.

    If you disagree with Corbyn and his policies, including his anti-Israel policies then you should have quit the party as soon as he became the leader. Then your seat gets voted for again, if Labour loses it then questions need to be asked. #democracy.

    You shouldn't sit in the background and complain that the party is weak under the current leadership when you are the one making it weak in such a shit time.
     
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  20. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    And thus spaketh the official Momentum talking pointseth...
     
  21. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    What's your point?

    So she should stick around and weaken the Labour party?

    Try to approach this from an objective view not a ew I really don't like this guys politics approach.

    As I've said all along, Labour is led by a guy who hates Israel, and a Labour MP who has been a huge pro-Israel member is upset by her leaders decisions and (probably) uses the tweets of a minor far-left supporters to suggest that Labour has an antisemitism problem.

    The Tories have FAR more division than the Labour party, the difference is that they unite together in the face of their opposition, whereas some MPs in the Labour party seem to be undermining them at every point PURELY to try and remove them as a leader.

    As I said, she should have quit at the very beginning, if she believes her electorate strongly support her pro-Israel views then she would have been elected as an independent.
     
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  22. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    Address his points?
     
  23. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    I've still not seen any evidence of anti-semitism, bar from far left loonies on Twitter.
     
  24. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    Corbyn was pretty much the most disloyal Labour MP ever. Who was sending death threats to him for it?

    By Gwadien's logic Corbyn should have resigned from the party when Smith was made leader, when Blair was made leader, when Brown was made leader, when Miliband was made leader. Ridiculous argument.
     
  25. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    Alex Scott-Samuel hasn't been ousted from the party.

    (Yes, I know he's Jewish, but for some reason he fucking loves anti-semitic conspiracy theories. If he wasn't rabidly pro-Corbyn he'd have been thrown out)
     
  26. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin


    Mmm, not really, because he agreed with the above on many of their policies and followed the party where he saw fit.

    The difference is that Corbyn is extreme so whilst his some of his policies are popular amongst other MPs, they decide to paint him as a jew hating communist and disagree with him on everything.
     
  27. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    I.E. Hardly ever. He showed no loyalty to his leaders at all. You can't have it both ways.
     
  28. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    I think there's a difference between a veteran politician who has stuck to his guns for generations and someone who decides to not follow their leader because of their views on a single policy, and deciding to actively dismantle their leadership by smearing their own party with allegations of antisemitism when it reality she's trying to react against a growing hostility towards Israel.

    I'd just much prefer it if people manned up and said he's a threat to the middling and upper classes.
     
  29. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    That doesn't even make sense. Corbyn publicly (very) disagreed with all his leaders, even when he wasn't a veteran, and was allowed to remain an MP. MPs who publicly disagree with Corbyn are being hounded. What the fuck has that got to do with class? They disagree on anti-semitism and brexit.

    'It's different when Corbyn does it because reasons...'
     

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