Politics General Election 2017

[Raven]

Slow down, what are you trying to say?

 

[DaGaffer]

No, but saying it would be funny if you were sodomised with your own piano and died of a sore arse could definitely be taken that way.

He's an MP now, not a bloke on the street or in a pub. His standards need to be higher - but given it was 15 years ago he won't get much flack from this - it's more about showing up what a fucking awful piece of shit the Guido Fawkes website is tbh...

"His standards need to be higher", do his standards also require possession of a time machine?

This is depressing as fuck. Being held accountable for comments on a forum from 15 years ago, and to be honest with no sense of context as to who he was talking to. Can you imagine the politicians of the future? Even more removed from the rest of humanity with a stage managed public persona from the age of 13. No one can do or say anything on the grounds they'll be judged by future (unknown) standards?

 

[Scouse]

I did mention that it was 15 years ago...

...but I was wrong about the consequences. Yeah, it's not good is it.

 

[Tom]

It isn't just 15 years ago.

Jeremy Corbyn faces calls to sack Labour MP who 'posted vile web comments and called young woman an ugly b*tch'

 

[Raven]

She is fucking hideous though...

Anyway, it's her words against his, something something, guilty until proven otherwise something something.

 

[DaGaffer]

It isn't just 15 years ago.

Jeremy Corbyn faces calls to sack Labour MP who 'posted vile web comments and called young woman an ugly b*tch'

"Oh no, he called me a mean name (after I had a pop at him)". Jesus, what a load of pathetic bullshit.

More importantly as some serious effort has gone into reinforcing one story with another from 15 years previously, someone clearly has the knives out and the press, as always, are only too happy to help. I don't know this guy, and he sounds like a bit a knob to be honest (for lots of reasons), but this is all so banal. The country is about go down the economic toilet for a generation, and this is what the Labour Party are wasting their time on?

 

[Raven]

I saw him walking on the tellie, he looks like he was called out to an interview half way through a massive shit and refused to snap it off.

 

[Scouse]

I think @Raven's post kinda sums up why Labour have to waste their time on this shit @DaGaffer.

I'm not offended in the least. But "lulz disability" was the response to your dispair about serious matters. Kinda why it's front page news in The Sun, after a story broken by The Times.

Murdoch is going all out to make things hard for Corbyn by hitting both ends of the spectrum hard.

 

[BloodOmen]

Northern Ireland power sharing talks just collapsed

 

[BloodOmen]

Rightly so, no idea how they expect low wage families to pay for an American style system when people are already at breaking point/using foodbanks just to survive.

Doctors are taking Jeremy Hunt to court to stop him 'Americanising' the NHS

 

[Bodhi]

So he's allegedly proposing a mix of public and private health care?

Sounds more Scandinavian/European to me than American, would have thought the Independent would be all for that.

Oh no, silly me, ITS TEH TOARIESSS!!"!"!"""!"

 

[BloodOmen]

So he's allegedly proposing a mix of public and private health care?

Sounds more Scandinavian/European to me than American, would have thought the Independent would be all for that.

Oh no, silly me, ITS TEH TOARIESSS!!"!"!"""!"

Don't be so bloody naive

 

[Raven]

The bit that should be privatised is the clerical side of things, a complete shambles in public hands. The amount of wastage is insane. Clinical care should in no way be privatised.

Having said that, the wife recently had to go through a load of medical stuff, refereed to a private hospital. Was great, no sitting around waiting to see 15 different people, in, done, out. Appointments kept, polite, helpful staff.

 

[dysfunction]

If the NHS had the same numbers of people going to their hospitals I would bet you would get the exact same level of service.
In fact many of the doctors/Surgeons do both private and NHS work so you are getting the same people treating you.

 

[georgie]

I know a few people who have had various operations done privately and on the NHS and they all prefer the after-care from the NHS. They feel that once the op is done and they've got your money the privates are not really interested.

 

[BloodOmen]

The UK would cease to function properly without the NHS how its ran now (minus the shit running thanks to The Tories), we've had the NHS since just after WW2 and I'm sure and its been life changing to the majority of the country. The moment the NHS goes away, we're just a fucking carbon copy of America more or less and who the fuck wants that (excluding the Tories that stand to financially benefit from it)

 

[Bodhi]

Where is the NHS going, exactly?

 

[Job]

Nowhere.
It would be political suicide...in fact just the hint of it is pretty well handing the next election to Labour.

 

[Job]

The bit that should be privatised is the clerical side of things, a complete shambles in public hands. The amount of wastage is insane. Clinical care should in no way be privatised.

Having said that, the wife recently had to go through a load of medical stuff, refereed to a private hospital. Was great, no sitting around waiting to see 15 different people, in, done, out. Appointments kept, polite, helpful staff.

Complete opposite for my mother..shes just had a bypass...the trestment she got from the private part was incompetent bullshit.
She opted for the NHS for the actual op...her own room and top notch care...I was astounded how nice the hospital was.
Private medicine is queue jumping, but they dont give a fuk.

 

[DaGaffer]

When my Dad was being treated for cancer I saw the best and worst of both the NHS and Private systems; the care in both systems was never the issue; he had cutting edge (at the time) treatment for prostate cancer in the private sector, and then when he got another cancer in his esophagus that the private system couldn't treat, he had surgery in the NHS that was like something out of Star Trek. The bad in both systems was what you'd expect; in the private system because my parents had moved to Cyprus (but still had UK bank accounts and paid UK tax) the hospital wanted money up front, which meant me standing in their office with a cheque for a hundred grand from my own bank account which I then had to get back from the insurance company. It was a rare occasion when I actually had that kind of money (trust me I haven't since) and I'd guess 99.9% of people wouldn't be able to scrape up that kind of cash without throwing themselves on the mercy of their bank for a bridging loan or something; but the private hospital gave no fucks. In the NHS, the bad was neglect and decay in all the bits that weren't high tech; watching my Dad have his chemo in a shabby ward while a cleaner moved the dirt around from one part of the floor to another. Of course the cleaner was privatised...

I've said it on here before, as someone who's tried other systems; you'll fucking regret it when the NHS is gone.

 

[Raven]

That doesn't mean it that it doesn't need massive improvements, and not all those improvements are down to money.

Just trying to get yourself discharged is a challenge in itself. Last time I was in I basically had to get dressed, walk to the desk where they were gossiping about some inane shit and tell them I was going home.

 

[Job]

As Raven said its clerical mostly...the utter incompetence of the various private doctors staff talking to each other was energy supplier call centre level of dreadfullness.
They lost files, sent my mother to apointments on wrong days, wouldnt answer the phone for weeks on end...booked appointments with doctors who had died many years before.
The private sector is infested with retired experts who dont give a fuk...their expertise is out of date and they often just stay off work at the last minute.

 

[Bodhi]

That doesn't mean it that it doesn't need massive improvements, and not all those improvements are down to money.

Just trying to get yourself discharged is a challenge in itself. Last time I was in I basically had to get dressed, walk to the desk where they were gossiping about some inane shit and tell them I was going home.

As is always the way, both methods of healthcare can learn a lot from each other - the private sector can learn a hell of a lot from the NHS in terms of patient care and support, whilst the NHS can learn a lot from the private sector on terms of clerical and management efficiency.

Sadly, the NHS has become weaponised to such a large degree, having a conversation about how the NHS can be made better just isn't possible without much social media based whining.

 

[Job]

Id charge 10 quid to see the doctor and offer alternative medicine to the 50% who have fuck all wrong with them..it would allow doctor surgeries to take the strain off AE.

 

[Embattle]

Diane Abbott wrongly claims 16-year-olds can fight for their country

 

[Tom]

If you're working for the army you're basically fighting for your country. You might not hold a gun, but you're supporting an institution that kills whoever it deems necessary.

 

[caLLous]

There's "fighting" and then there's "fighting".

 

[Raven]

Apparently Damian Green has porn on his PC.

Where else is he going to have it? Do they even still sell porn mags any more?

 

[Raven]

Also, filling in forms and stacking supplies is not really the same as being shot at...or returning fire.

 

[DaGaffer]

If you're working for the army you're basically fighting for your country. You might not hold a gun, but you're supporting an institution that kills whoever it deems necessary.

The spirit of what she was suggesting was clearly combat.

As it happens if you want to make the case for 16 year olds voting you don’t have to drag the military into it. No taxation without representation. 16-17 year olds are the only (potential) tax payers who don’t get a say in how their taxes are spent. Now, I personally think they’re too immature to vote, so I wouldn’t tax them.