Politics General Election 2017

[Job]

Think youve been watching a southern baptist prayer weekend by mistake.

Acts ive seen have all been top notch

The Foos nailed it...but watching through the day..even the presenters were like wtf.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Raven]

Great deal for the primitive throwbacks, lol for the Tories

Conservatives agree pact with DUP to support May government - BBC News

 

[BloodOmen]

And so it starts.

Jeremy Hunt privatising NHS firm which saves taxpayer £70m a year

 

[Bodhi]

And so it starts.

Jeremy Hunt privatising NHS firm which saves taxpayer £70m a year

Right, so a Private Limited Company currently owned by the Department of Health is changing ownership to get more investment, whilst the DoH keeps a 25% stake in it - problem being?

 

[TdC]

Well if I read correctly you now have a parliament and it only cost you a billion quid.

 

[BloodOmen]

Well if I read correctly you now have a parliament and it only cost you a billion quid.

strong and stable votes for cash.

 

[Job]

So Corbyn goes to Glastonbury and slightly enthues a smacked up crowd of hippies who will cheer any shit...then casually fucks up his entire career by mentioning Trident again .
How long before the Corbyn love in finally wears out.

Corbyn predicts he will be PM 'in six months'

 

[Ormorof]

Considering that unverified statement has barely made a blip elsewhere i doubt he has "fucked up his career" by saying it

 

[Tom]

So Corbyn goes to Glastonbury and slightly enthues a smacked up crowd of hippies who will cheer any shit...then casually fucks up his entire career by mentioning Trident again .
How long before the Corbyn love in finally wears out.

Corbyn predicts he will be PM 'in six months'

A whole lot longer than your erection for Donald Trump lasted.

 

[Job]

Considering that unverified statement has barely made a blip elsewhere i doubt he has "fucked up his career" by saying it

A blip as in the Labour had to come out straight away and say basically its not his decision to make.
Which is not exactly an endorsement by your party.

 

[Scouse]

A blip as in the Labour had to come out straight away and say basically its not his decision to make.

As always. Link.


Anyway - this is a much more interesting story: Why was Corbyn under state surveillance for two decades when he's committed to non-violent protest and is democratically elected?

 

[Raven]

As always with the Guardian and the like, they have hacked to bits someone else's story and come up with an indignant rant.

No references, no sources but lets go off on one anyway.

No idea if it is true or not but these hacks (pretty much all papers these days) really ought to think about providing actual sources and proof before they leap, gracefully onto their high horse.

Seeing as not one of them actually corrects themselves later on, leaving all these garbage stories on record (and part of our history) It is getting to the point that news media is completely unreliable for historical record.

 

[Scouse]

Bit rabid there @Raven aren't you?

There's an investigation going on after questions in parliament - so how much fucking referencing do you want?

I though it was common knowledge that people like Abbot were under surveillance - the surprise here is how widespread.

 

[Raven]

How is an opinion "rabid" or are you going full on sensationalism, as per your absolute favourite font of nonsense?

Bullshit, made up on a napkin the night before "stories" that are not corrected when the facts come out, not fact checked in the first place and with a hilarious political aim will become an ever larger problem in future.

As I said in the previous post, it isn't just the Guardian, they are all at it. Online references will be one of the only records we have in future, I think it's probably about time they were fact checked and corrected where necessary.

 

[Scouse]

I'll say again:

There's an investigation going on after questions in parliament - so how much fucking referencing do you want?

...?

 

[Raven]

Care to provide a source?

Edit, looking into links with the IRA at the height of the troubles by MI5 is not quite the same as being under surveillance for 20 years.

Edit 2. If you dig a bit deeper what they actually did was open a preliminary file to determine whether he was one to watch or not...pretty sensible really.

 

[Raven]

Get asked for a source, return with a facepalm.

Sorry @Scouse but you will have to do better than that. Otherwise you just look like an angry little man again.

 

[ECA]

Whenever this thread gets bumped I'm wondering "oh we've got another election?"

 

[Scouse]

Jeesus @Raven. - It's the fucking journalists job to source their stories - or are you the new Job shouting "fake news" every time something you find uncomfortable (or linked via the guardian - even though it was a Torygraph story to begin with) gets posted? The source I gave was the guardian (which you've discounted out of hand because it was the guardian - even though it contained links - which you could simply click on). Do you want me to link to the Beeb? The Torygraph? The Pitchford Enquiry itself? Or Nick Cleggs call for the investigation into why elected Labour MPs were put under surveillance?

Do you want me to provide the actual evidence? Maybe go and visit and interview people myself and provide videos to you?

I linked to a source which linked to multiple other sources. You shouted "fake news". Find your own sources if you don't like the stories being linked...

 

[Raven]

Still no actual source then.

Got it.

I asked you for a source (no, the Telegraph is not a source) even if you care to read the source you claim is a source all it says is "unnamed copper" So the Guardian have created an entire "story about a story" based on an unnamed source in another trashy publication and tried to create an opinion peace. Stupid people have picked up on it and have started asking all sorts of dumb rhetorical questions about something that was completely different to what actually happened, or may not have happened at all.

You need to calm down a bit man, you are getting all bent out of shape because someone disagrees with you, it can't be healthy.

 

[Scouse]

Still no source then.

Got it.

Multiple sources produced. Click in article. Loads. Or are you still struggling with your reading?

 

[TdC]

 

[Raven]

Multiple sources produced. Click in article. Loads. Or are you still struggling with your reading?

Let me take you on a journey through the sources, shall I?

Exclusive: Special Branch monitored Jeremy Corbyn for 20 years amid fears he was 'undermining democracy'

The original "story" not a lot to go on... A couple of paragraphs that doesn't actually say anything at all and certainly doesn't provide any tangible facts, just "unnamed copper said"

Why were special branch watching me even when I was an MP? | Peter Hain

A guardian story, not pertinent to this alleged event.

Police continued spying on Labour activists after their election as MPs

Again, yet another Guardian story, not much to go on, just a ramble about the general collection of information, not exactly "Jeremy Corbyn under investigation for 20 years"

The investigation your are so excited to name drop is actually a general investigation into police and intelligence information gathering, brought about after revelations relating to the Stephen Lawrence family.

A rough top tip, it is poor form to reference some other hack job you wrote as a factual source. Your story is actually a cobbled together mess that references other cobbled together messes. They are not sources.

So, come on @Scouse please to be providing a reliable source that proves Corbyn was under surveillance for 20 years? Rather than "had a file for 20 years" which are two very, very different things.

 

[Scouse]

"had a file for 20 years" which are two very, very different things.

Are they? Explain how keeping tabs on elected officials isn't state surveillance and maybe, maybe, I'll humour you with some token effort.

 

[Raven]

Surveillance = surveillance

Keeping a record on file = Keeping a record on file

I can't be arsed to copy and paste the dictionary definitions of words, I would have expected you to know them already anyway.

 

[Bodhi]

As always. Link.


Anyway - this is a much more interesting story: Why was Corbyn under state surveillance for two decades when he's committed to non-violent protest and is democratically elected?

I'm guessing that it's due to the fact in the 80's he was frequently pictured having close chats with Gerry Adams and Patrick McGuiness, who at the time, were linked to an active terror organisation. As this terror organisation were setting bombs off in the UK at the time, I'd suggest MI5 having a file on him was the sensible thing to do.

 

[Scouse]

I'm guessing that it's due to the fact in the 80's he was frequently pictured having close chats with Gerry Adams and Patrick McGuiness, who at the time, were linked to an active terror organisation. As this terror organisation were setting bombs off in the UK at the time, I'd suggest MI5 having a file on him was the sensible thing to do.

Do you think that Theresa May and the entire Tory party now have files on them for going into government with the DUP?

It's not just corbyn - it's about ten labour shadow MP's - including Peter Hain, Harriot Harmond. Plus people like Green MP Caroline Lucas etc.

Basically - state surveillance of non-Tory opposition MPs. People who would have perfectly legitimate reasons for talking to organisations that require political solutions.

 

[Gumbo]

Whenever this thread gets bumped I'm wondering "oh we've got another election?"

As the thread starter I'm just enjoying the cashflow generated. Everyone else gets 10p per post on their threads right? it's not just me?