Politics General Election 2017

[Hawkwind]

Just wanted to add that Saudi is changing a lot. The changes for women are quite staggering from what I witnessed back in early and late nineties. Still not great but things are changing there for the better.

 

[Scouse]

Just wanted to add that Saudi is changing a lot. The changes for women are quite staggering from what I witnessed back in early and late nineties. Still not great but things are changing there for the better.

Still. Public hangings.

Mate came back last year after working out there. Never again, says he

 

[ECA]

Also literal slavery.

 

[DaGaffer]

The Wahhabi are a powerful albeit minority group which are actually against the ruling King. As stated its not government level funding its minority groups and individuals. That is just bolx and bad reporting. I would agree that the Saudi's should do more to sort their shit out but Wahhabi do run entire regions of the Kingdom and we would likely be the first to complain if they went in hard against them.

I think you need to read up on the history of Wahhabism, it is intimately tied to the rise of the House of Saud, and its not "charity" money that's paid for Deobani Madrassas, its the House of Saud itself, which used Wahhabism as its route to dominate Arabia in the first place. That's the contradiction that lots and lots of people struggle to get their head around. ISIS have just taken Wahhabism to the next level, claiming the House of Saud isn't following "true" Islam, which is the problem inherent in Wahhabism, there is no scope for pluralism and it just lends itself to stricter and stricter interpretations of Islam.

 

[Scouse]

Lol!

 

[Raven]

Election: One million more voters on the electoral roll - BBC News

Could make things very interesting, especially if the youth finally get off their comfortable arses and actually vote instead of sitting there moaning about old people.

 

[Raven]

Anyway, I think I have pretty much made my mind up now, for the first time in my life I am actually voting Labour. For the simple reason that we have to stop the Tories, I am all for capitalism tempered by socialism but this shit is getting out of hand now.

 

[Job]

When I think back at the goings on in the press and inside labour HQ about Corbyn, destroying the party, unelectable, resignations en masse.
And here is within striking distance.....
The old saying 'a week in politics is along time', has never been so true.

 

[old.user4556]

I've turned into a socialist comrade, I never knew the Tories could reach new heights of cuntification, I don't want to screw the average man over. For the many, not the few.

Of course, Labour in Scotland are still lel, so i'll vote .... you know.

 

[andeh]

When I think back at the goings on in the press and inside labour HQ about Corbyn, destroying the party, unelectable, resignations en masse.
And here is within striking distance.....
The old saying 'a week in politics is along time', has never been so true.

Within striking distance of what?

Despite the Conservative party running a wank campaign with a leader that is about as personable as a mop, it is a virtually impossibility that Labour will emerge with an overall majority.

Labour have gone from staring down the barrel of electoral oblivion to perhaps being able to match or slightly better weirdo Ed's performance.

Even if the polls are massively off, the best Labour can hope for is being propped up by the fishfaced dyke north of the border.

Best case scenario is Con ~320, May jettisoned and the commencement of Lord Boris' reign. But the reality is the tories will coast to an easy overall majority.

 

[Calaen]

The stories plastered over the front pages of the majority of the tabloids, says enough for me. They are shitting themselves that the Tories have thrown away the majority they had two weeks ago. Labour for me and my family, as I can't stand back and watch them destroy our public services any longer.

 

[Job]

I'd normally agree...but holy shit, I've heard a lot of 'no chances' just recently.
Clinton had it totally in the bag right up to the end.

 

[Job]

Saying that..

Theresa May will win biggest Tory landslide since Thatcher, final election poll predicts

 

[Raven]

UKIP up.

Yeah OK...

 

[Moriath]

Anyway, I think I have pretty much made my mind up now, for the first time in my life I am actually voting Labour. For the simple reason that we have to stop the Tories, I am all for capitalism tempered by socialism but this shit is getting out of hand now.

Thought it was cock and balls for you

 

[Job]

Abbots gone and the person replacing her called for Corbyn to resign last year..Labour could have won this with David Milliband.

 

[Hawkwind]

I think you need to read up on the history of Wahhabism, it is intimately tied to the rise of the House of Saud, and its not "charity" money that's paid for Deobani Madrassas, its the House of Saud itself, which used Wahhabism as its route to dominate Arabia in the first place. That's the contradiction that lots and lots of people struggle to get their head around. ISIS have just taken Wahhabism to the next level, claiming the House of Saud isn't following "true" Islam, which is the problem inherent in Wahhabism, there is no scope for pluralism and it just lends itself to stricter and stricter interpretations of Islam.

Guess only having having locals tell me about it in Dubai, Jeddah and Riyadh is only one side of the story, seems they are all wrong. Western reporter being right every time. Not quite sure what to think, but I will show them the article when next there.

 

[DaGaffer]

Guess only having having locals tell me about it in Dubai, Jeddah and Riyadh is only one side of the story, seems they are all wrong. Western reporter being right every time. Not quite sure what to think, but I will show them the article when next there.

Read this: God's Terrorists

Its an excellent history of Wahhabism; I read this more than ten years ago, Saudi's complicity is not new news.

 

[Raven]

Done now. Cannot change my mind!

 

[Deebs]

Done now. Cannot change my mind!

Same, just got back from polling station.

 

[dysfunction]

Me too.

 

[Ctuchik]

Clinton had it totally in the bag right up to the end.

If only she hadn't relied on Trump to win the election for her..

 

[Bodhi]

Voting after work. Not changing my mind though

 

[andeh]

Clinton had it totally in the bag right up to the end.

Clinton had it in the bag - according to the MSM which was almost entirely backing her and in polls which, for the most part, were D oversampled. In the US election there were effectively 2 alternate realities - the coastal/metropolis liberal bubble and 'normal' America. There's no such dynamic here, at least not one that will aid Corbyn in picking up seats in a manner similar to Trump sweeping the rust belt. If anything, Corbyn is probably the average BBC/C4 employee's wet dream. So the idea that there might be wells of untapped pro-Corbyn sentiment that has just passed under the radar, but is about to be unleashed at the polling booth, is one that is pretty laughable.

 

[Bodhi]

Lots of people on Facebook however suggesting I do change my mind to save the NHS. Seems to me a bit like voting for Mussolini becuase your train to work is always late, so I shall ignore those suggestions.

 

[Scouse]

Not trying to be nasty in any way @Bodhi but I honestly don't know why you involve yourself in political discussion - I get the impression that you're old skool dyed-in-the-wool Tory and nowt could change that.

 

[Bodhi]

Mainly as I like the debate - the good friend that I usually play golf with works for the public sector and is what I would probably call Centre-Left, so we agree on the centre portions but differ on fiscal policy, the nanny state aspect (he used to work for Public Health) and a few other things, however we never fall out or defriend each other on Facebook (seen that a lot this election) just have a discussion, a few holes of golf and a beer afterwards.

Nothing would horrify me more than living in an echo chamber just made up of people I agree with, as if you don't challenge your beliefs and opinions, you'll never change them.

I am fairly old school Tory now, believing the state should be there to servie its people, not the people there to serve the state, so will never vote for mass public sector expansion if there is an alternative - it seems in this case I'm voting for the least amount of expansion - but if a properly Libertarian alternative to the Tories appeared (prefer their fiscal plans, not a fan of the authoritarianism - not that Labour will be any better) I would change my vote like a shot.

Sadly we don't seem to do Libertarianism in this country, so Tories it is.

 

[Job]

Im not Tory..more anti labour...I mean really...just really...Corbyn as the prime minister.
It seems weird no ones mentioning the 150 billion saving from scrapping Trident..because if hes too nice to press the button, we might as well sell it to Libya.

I think the danger for the Tories is it becoming trendy on social media to vote Labour, the old ways are dying in front of us and the pollsters dont know what to do with it yet.

 

[old.user4556]

It seems weird no ones mentioning the 150 billion saving from scrapping Trident

It's always near the top of the talking points in Scotland and a key message in the SNP's manifesto.

 

[Job]

Slight problem there is the huge loss of well paid jobs..a lot of them in Scotland, not likely the savings would find there way back across the border.