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Tzee , what have i done? ive only said one thing in this thread ( so far ) if u dont count this one. Which post was not really either offending or smth like it.
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was going to write this here but its really a new topic
http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61532
http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61532
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Kama. You do a terrific job ...and for those who are giving you a hard time about todays raid.. well how i see it is that it is your raid..your rules...if want to change mind in mid then i say go for it...and the people that dont like it well... But keep up the great work for the drops are uber and most wouldnt get them without you and tali doing them raids..So dont give up ....your raid your rules....hope you feel better 
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Fair play Kama, it is tough pleasing everyone although it is a shame some people lack self discipline, I've always taken my warden on raids, always the most needed char as we lack active wardens in AOP but it's always the same for me, I go for my BM, even if something drops my warden could use (like blades, accessories etc) I won't, simply because I set my sights on something and don't like to deprive others who were there from a good chance at an item they want (or don't for that matter, hell I ain't judging them
).Which does make me feel it's not unreasonable for druids to not lotto for the majority of weapons, there are other classes who can't lotto for very much either because of class restrictions etc.
I'll just make sure to let you know beforehand I am going for my BM, just ask tali how I feel about that
I've missed every one of your raids for the past two weeks, been working whenever you've done one, luckily I can make the next two
Got my MP rf ready, just need a new piercer...
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Well I left that lotto after being told that my hero didnt qualify for it (base sword + shield skill only 48). Guess im never gonna get a sword on a raid with crap like that.
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Well Boni, I can understand that tho, I mean, weapons should go to those who use them as primary weapon, I think that's the fairest tbh.
I've slept on it, or rather havn't slept on it. Spent the majority of the night on the phone with Vantros who had a hell of a job calming me down.
I'll continue to do the hunts, and all are still welcome, but when problems like this come up again, I'll start banning individuals who cause major problems from future hunts. I think that's the best way to go about it, it's fairest cus then those who are behaving like adults still get to have some fun on the hunts and get a chance of a drop while those who continually cause problems don't come along and ruin it.
I'm not saying Icebreaker causes problems, I'm makeing a completely general statement that applies to everyone.
I've slept on it, or rather havn't slept on it. Spent the majority of the night on the phone with Vantros who had a hell of a job calming me down.
I'll continue to do the hunts, and all are still welcome, but when problems like this come up again, I'll start banning individuals who cause major problems from future hunts. I think that's the best way to go about it, it's fairest cus then those who are behaving like adults still get to have some fun on the hunts and get a chance of a drop while those who continually cause problems don't come along and ruin it.
I'm not saying Icebreaker causes problems, I'm makeing a completely general statement that applies to everyone.
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Tyka
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Ok, this is funny to see, i was 100% sure this thing would come up one day or another.
Everyone can do FFA raids, the question is how long ppl can be arsed with all the hassle around it, and i knew from the beginning that a person like Kama could'nt handle the stress, the same way as me.
Long time ago i made my descision to only do invite only raids, with ppl i fairly knew would not give me a hassle and could compromise if something bad showed up.
That's what some people tries to do, until you come in with your zerg and ruin the whole thing, now try to do your own small things and we'll see how well you can handle it.
Anyways, even though i dislike Kama alot, she is the only one doing galla raids and the more people that give the organisers a hassle, the more hibernia will be hurt, finally everyone will end up doing their own thing and dont bother with the rest.
It's easy to say how rules should be done but these people who say this dont even have a slightest clue about what a organiser goes through, its alot of job and stress, i like to play under stress, but after a while it gets just too much.
Ah well enough of ranting from me, just want to mention Kama, what did i tell you about this? Ppl come to raids because they want their thing, when they get it (and will do whatever it takes under all circumstances to get it), they bugger off.
The only people who are there for you and stick up are the people who are in your guild, stand up for them at all costs, its those who are your real friends.
Everyone can do FFA raids, the question is how long ppl can be arsed with all the hassle around it, and i knew from the beginning that a person like Kama could'nt handle the stress, the same way as me.
Long time ago i made my descision to only do invite only raids, with ppl i fairly knew would not give me a hassle and could compromise if something bad showed up.
That's what some people tries to do, until you come in with your zerg and ruin the whole thing, now try to do your own small things and we'll see how well you can handle it.
Anyways, even though i dislike Kama alot, she is the only one doing galla raids and the more people that give the organisers a hassle, the more hibernia will be hurt, finally everyone will end up doing their own thing and dont bother with the rest.
It's easy to say how rules should be done but these people who say this dont even have a slightest clue about what a organiser goes through, its alot of job and stress, i like to play under stress, but after a while it gets just too much.
Ah well enough of ranting from me, just want to mention Kama, what did i tell you about this? Ppl come to raids because they want their thing, when they get it (and will do whatever it takes under all circumstances to get it), they bugger off.
The only people who are there for you and stick up are the people who are in your guild, stand up for them at all costs, its those who are your real friends.
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As much as it pains me to say this, I agree with Tyka 100% (ouch oh the paaaain).
There's certain people, and it's about 80% of them who are on the hunts with me, that support me and never once whine. It's those people who will be invited to all my hunts and won't be banned becuase they behave like adults.
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damn but i wanted to keep comming on your raids
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After doing some of these DF opening raids I can feel your pain kama, some people just don't listen. You've said something several times in the cg and they still /send you with the question you just gave the answer to. And all the greedy and impatient people... organising raids for random people is really a pain.
Which is probably why Censi stopped doing them a while ago, and which is why vgn does their own raids (right?). I'd advise you to do invite-only raids, from a little experience I know accomplishing the goal feels good, but the bitching pre-, during- and post-raid is insane.
Never went on a galla raid, but just for the fact you are organising them for the entire realm you have my respect. And drop claiming... seriously people won't organise a random raid because they want an item. The chance to win is just too small for that.
Pre-claiming by the leader is fine, but in my eyes no raid leaders are really after that. At least not in raids for random people.
Which is probably why Censi stopped doing them a while ago, and which is why vgn does their own raids (right?). I'd advise you to do invite-only raids, from a little experience I know accomplishing the goal feels good, but the bitching pre-, during- and post-raid is insane.
Never went on a galla raid, but just for the fact you are organising them for the entire realm you have my respect. And drop claiming... seriously people won't organise a random raid because they want an item. The chance to win is just too small for that.
Pre-claiming by the leader is fine, but in my eyes no raid leaders are really after that. At least not in raids for random people.
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I've been to 2 galla raids, but that was mainly only to check out how it looks, and it's awsome texture in there Imo raids is very boring, only lots of waiting and lag...I rather get crafted stuff and go RvR
Imo raids is very boring, only lots of waiting and lag...I rather get crafted stuff and go RvR
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Well for what its worth here is my opinion.
Kama you have the admiration of many peeps for your raids, u know who these people are cause they keep coming raid after raid and never complain about drops about lottos about anything really.
I been in quite a few raids that you organized kama, and maybe u do not see it cause you will be in PM hell at the time, but lots and lots of people think highly of you for doing what u do. Yes there are whiners, yes there are people that get pissed for something that in their opinion is not right, but I always remember that its almost 8fgs of people each time we go there and the majority of peeps always have fun.
We all know it is a mess doing these raids, we all know that u did not preclaim even after losing to the bard blade u wanted twice.
I know these situations arise because mainly of one thing, the majority of people will say nothing if things go well, maybe a seldom few will say thanks for organizing. But let one thing go wrong and hell breaks loose.
Cause after all for some people its easier to whine then say thanks for all the time a raid leader takes out of his/her own to make other people happy.
Its about time we show all raid leaders some respect for doing what they do, for investing time preparing like they do, for trying to take care of everything like they do, and for trying to make a place like galla available for all of us.
So thanks for doing what u do kama from all of us that take this game for what it is and try to have fun ourselves and surely not try to ruin fun for others.
Thanks again kama and all hunt leaders
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P.S Kama we all love you really <even tyka....>
Kama you have the admiration of many peeps for your raids, u know who these people are cause they keep coming raid after raid and never complain about drops about lottos about anything really.
I been in quite a few raids that you organized kama, and maybe u do not see it cause you will be in PM hell at the time, but lots and lots of people think highly of you for doing what u do. Yes there are whiners, yes there are people that get pissed for something that in their opinion is not right, but I always remember that its almost 8fgs of people each time we go there and the majority of peeps always have fun.
We all know it is a mess doing these raids, we all know that u did not preclaim even after losing to the bard blade u wanted twice.
I know these situations arise because mainly of one thing, the majority of people will say nothing if things go well, maybe a seldom few will say thanks for organizing. But let one thing go wrong and hell breaks loose.
Cause after all for some people its easier to whine then say thanks for all the time a raid leader takes out of his/her own to make other people happy.
Its about time we show all raid leaders some respect for doing what they do, for investing time preparing like they do, for trying to take care of everything like they do, and for trying to make a place like galla available for all of us.
So thanks for doing what u do kama from all of us that take this game for what it is and try to have fun ourselves and surely not try to ruin fun for others.
Thanks again kama and all hunt leaders
HD
P.S Kama we all love you really <even tyka....>
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HD babe, it's people like you that made me rethink it and continue these hunts. For each time someone expresses their gratitude it cancels out 10 other peoples whines!
You and your kind get all my respect!
You and your kind get all my respect!
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My 2 cents worth on this one.
I've now been on 2 of Kama's Galla raids and been nothing other than impressed by the speed, efficiency and organisation of the raid.
The raid is simply about the raid and fun for me, drops are a bonus simple as that.
And Kama, when I came back from 3 months off Saadyst had just led a raid to drop the dragon for the first time 1 hour b4 i logged and all hell was breaking loose over drops. I'll say to you what I said to him that afternoon.................
If all they can do is bicker and whine, then simple SOD THEM, your the one that puts the time in, your the one that can be arsed to organise, go have fun and let the children whine to whoever is lonely enough to listen.
I've now been on 2 of Kama's Galla raids and been nothing other than impressed by the speed, efficiency and organisation of the raid.
The raid is simply about the raid and fun for me, drops are a bonus simple as that.
And Kama, when I came back from 3 months off Saadyst had just led a raid to drop the dragon for the first time 1 hour b4 i logged and all hell was breaking loose over drops. I'll say to you what I said to him that afternoon.................
If all they can do is bicker and whine, then simple SOD THEM, your the one that puts the time in, your the one that can be arsed to organise, go have fun and let the children whine to whoever is lonely enough to listen.
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This is what you been flaming me for, and now you want to be like me, you gave in after doing 5-6 raids, and still you claim to be doing something for the "realm"... lol
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read the rest of that post Tyka.
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Children= People who come on your raid and dont share the same view of the game as you ?
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It's possible:
http://www.javamansworld.com/daoc/urclaw.gif
Also this dropped on the raid, last friday(?):
http://www.javamansworld.com/daoc/nbcrudgel.gif
As it is with the current drop rate, a lot of classes will feel screwed over with every raid. So I can understand you're willing to loosen the thight rules a bit.
Here's hoping that Mythic and Goa hurry on with the patches.
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No, children = people who come on a raid and spend the majority of the time whinning about whatever pops up. People who behave as if they need a nap rather a hunt.
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Tyka
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dont sound like that to me, as you call everything around you for children..
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This may be off topic, as very sorry for that Tyka.
Tyke, what makes you think you have anything to actually say on this matter?
You don't come on my hunts, your guild mates don't come on my hunts (cept Sheph,. who I have NEVER heard complain once), my hunts don't involve you in any way shape or form.
Yet here you are, flaming me..uncalled for I might add.
It just peaks my curiousity how you justify your presense in this thread at all.
Tyke, what makes you think you have anything to actually say on this matter?
You don't come on my hunts, your guild mates don't come on my hunts (cept Sheph,. who I have NEVER heard complain once), my hunts don't involve you in any way shape or form.
Yet here you are, flaming me..uncalled for I might add.
It just peaks my curiousity how you justify your presense in this thread at all.
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The class thing for drops is a bit or a hassle really I know that because I am an LW champ.
Many heros argue that Champs can lotto for all LW's while heros cannot lotto for LW's with +int or +valor.
I think it only makes sense that Heros cannot lotto for an LW's that have stats they will not use like I already mentioned. But a compromise can always be found, because after all it comes down to the persons involved.
I for one have already won a LW crush galla drop, and so I took the decision not to lotto any more for any other LW crush, cause its only fair to others to have their go.
So I can see the issue with drops that are open to class interpretation, but if the people involved can think of how to solve an issue instead of flaming each other it would be much easier.
Cheers
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Many heros argue that Champs can lotto for all LW's while heros cannot lotto for LW's with +int or +valor.
I think it only makes sense that Heros cannot lotto for an LW's that have stats they will not use like I already mentioned. But a compromise can always be found, because after all it comes down to the persons involved.
I for one have already won a LW crush galla drop, and so I took the decision not to lotto any more for any other LW crush, cause its only fair to others to have their go.
So I can see the issue with drops that are open to class interpretation, but if the people involved can think of how to solve an issue instead of flaming each other it would be much easier.
Cheers
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the same reason you put your nose into the other thread..
not insulting you, saying mo.
not insulting you, saying mo.
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oh and you forgot how you treat us last time we were doing a galla raid? I'm just very curious about how you will handle galla from now on when you say you are doing your invite only raids, its easy to get a zerg to go there, but when you have a smaller groups, we'll see how well desciplined they are, anyways you get what you deserve..
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None of these rules are set in stone actually, and everytime someone has felt it was unfair I've made a cg with them after the lotto and tried to work it out with all involved. When a LW (or whatever) comes up and someone who I normally wouldn't lotto wants to lotto for it, I always try to reach a comprimise. In cases where a comprimise can't be made usually one or more of the people back down from the lotto and agree that they will just wait for the next drop. If I can't reach a comprimise with everyone in the lotto then I sit down with Tali and we go over the rules for the next raid and see if we can't adjust it to make it more fair for everyone.
I'm not difficult when it comes to drops, I always listen to everyone's side and try to come to a fair decision. The point of these hunts is for everyone to have fun and for people to get access to Galla and it's drops, if one of those 2 things isn't happening I'm always open to suggestions and have never turned someone down to sit and listen to their side of things.
I'm not difficult when it comes to drops, I always listen to everyone's side and try to come to a fair decision. The point of these hunts is for everyone to have fun and for people to get access to Galla and it's drops, if one of those 2 things isn't happening I'm always open to suggestions and have never turned someone down to sit and listen to their side of things.
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I forget very very little, ever. I'll handle Galla as I always have. It's obvios to me that you either have a bad memory, or have not read all the posts. As stated before, I'll still do FFA raids, only change will be that those who constantly whine and cause problems and unwarented stress will no longer be welcome.
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yeah but i still would like to see how you handle a small scale raid where you only got friends there instead of 100 random ppl who show up on raid to get what they need who dont respect you at all, guess you are too scared to realise thats how things are..
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Not been on one of your raids yet , and if they are so good and you are giving up your time etc to help realm mates out on these affairs , why dont you carry on doing so , if you and most of the people get enjoyment out of it and leave the whingers behind , take names and dont let them attend any more hunts .
Just wonder if Culurien would be welcome .
Just wonder if Culurien would be welcome .
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Exactly how I plan to do it in the future Slinker.
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Try something for me Tyke, make 1 post, just 1 single post, without flamming someone/something in a direct or indirect way. Just once.