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[censi]

yet again ebeen you arent really making any point. I am asking for evidence of what you are talking about. And you repeat pretty much what you said in the previous post.

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

Also what ppl might not understand in this never-ending-discussion about adding/zerging etc.

Is that if u as a solo make ur way to a semi populated place, far away from irvr ( where u can expect to get zerged ) is that when you do get your precious 1v1 ( wich you play the game to get ) and someone adds on u and ruins your whole fight. This adder made an active decsion to ruin your fun, even if he might oblidge to diffrent rules from the 'solo' or '1337' gameplay he has activly ruined ur fight. Now you got 3 options, 1) log 2) ask him nicely to stop adding and be met by the oh so holy "I pay my own subs" or 3 go somewhere else.

Say you go somewhere else, now you can't go to irvr, and you just went away from DC area, so whats left then? Same thing at brynja, and with a decreasing pop that can not hold any greater nummber of players in any remote area you get frustrated.
This is where the problem lays, the design of NF, I said it so many times, the design is flawed and indeed is angled towards zerg warfare, but since in daoc nummbers>skill in most given situations. So say everyone zerged eachoter 8 vs 16 here items, rr and skill does't matter anymore it's all about nummbers, then why would you bother to get any good temps, buy their expansions to get the next OP class? I could explain this more but I think you get the point.

DAoC is slowly dying and one reason is that mythic did not make a solution to this problem, daoc only support one kind of player these days, thats why the whine is stronger then ever, the solo and the ppl that play b/c they wanna win by "skill" and "knowlage" clashes with the ones who wanna zerg, or sees the skill part in leading a masive army and then the skill is to kill everyone regardless if you outnummber them ( since they can always get more nummber also, kinda reasoning. )

Here is the problem imo and maybe that is what ppl should discuss instead of going after induviduals that actuall pay their own subs and should be able to do whatever they like in the game. Still one side is actively ruining the other sides fun with their own view of how daoc should be played.

What say you?

 

[ebenezer]

Ebe it's kinda natural for any person to get offended when they feel they been missthreated.

Know more then one person that would die for there right to freely express their views, then ofc it has to be done unabusive.

Thing is, most posts Censi makes is about two kinds or players. These camps do not understand the other sides playstyle and do no aprove of it. Thing is one of the camps activly ruins the other sides fun, wich makes the counter side boil. Then ofc both have right to play as they want, but fact remains one side actively ruins the others fun. Right or wrong I don't care, it's a fact.

Then all censi's and other ppl's approach on the "nice guy irl" and the "i pay my own subs" is brought opon them by themselves as they use it as an argument, wich to me atleast is one of the worst agruments. Hence they get rediculed, and by that way u take the edge of the argument, ppl done this for ever. You do this in speeches, in propaganda, in politics etc...also most ppl do this in a sarcastic-kinda-fun way.

Cenci's special threatment is ofc quiet laughable, not saying he is the ideal poster but going after him to 'shut him up' by banning him or warning him for incidents what normally wouldn't warrent any action is..what it is...
I myself have gone over the line more then once and only been banned one time, maybe two.

I do not understand why any mod would like to mod any post as long as it isn't abusive, racist or just post farming. People have diffrent views of everything and discussing it in any way or form is good, and if everything isn't top notch discussion, some might be, why ruin that?

Closing threads b/c ppl make sarcastic 1 liners is as silly as the one who forced that 1 liner. When someone genuinly wanna discuss an ingame situation and gets met with "I pay my own subs so i can add/zerg/camp/abuse bugs all i want. And all who know me knows i'm nice irl" then the one who replyed with that comment already made clear that he do not wanna discuss at the level the thead starter put it at, and ofc well get agroo.

Lets not make this into a discussion about add/or not though as we all know what thats gonna lead to
About censis treatment being laughable. You urself say you been banned once..and thats it. even though you usally always agree with censi. So why do you think that is?
You think they just targeted censi from all the whiners here and decided on him to be a scapegoat? Or do you think there is a better reason to target him more then you?
I for one know the difference. But can you see it? You are not half as active as censi is in starting threads in the subject or making comments on it. You are also in those discussion but not at all in the same level of involvment
Also just wanna say something about the "pay ur subs/in rl" comment.
Yes im aware that the adding causes frustration and it boils over.
But if that asnwer is retarded and is a bad way of discussing, what is usually the ones that try start it? Fao bla bla bla..ur a cock for adding etc.
What possible response and mature discussion is growing out of that?
Do you see the"nice guys in rl" people start making similar nicknames calling the "leet" crowd "the retards in rl"? No they dont...and why is that?
Are the nice guys in rl too mature...or do they just not care as much or take it as seriously ...i dunno. Something to think about
eb.

 

[ebenezer]

yet again ebeen you arent really making any point. I am asking for evidence of what you are talking about. And you repeat pretty much what you said in the previous post.

i dont need to post any evidence. Im not arguing with you. Either you take the critisism to you that others have posted, or you dont
I said i read a lot of ur posts and know why the mods feel like they do.
If you cant see that reason urself, maybe try harder then if you feel you wanna behave....otherwise just dont But it seems to me you dont wanna get banned permamently...so was just trying to help you^^

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

Lets not make this into a discussion about add/or not though as we all know what thats gonna lead to
About censis treatment being laughable. You urself say you been banned once..and thats it. even though you usally always agree with censi. So why do you think that is?
You think they just targeted censi from all the whiners here and decided on him to be a scapegoat? Or do you think there is a better reason to target him more then you?
I for one know the difference. But can you see it? You are not half as active as censi is in starting threads in the subject or making comments on it. You are also in those discussion but not at all in the same level of involvment
Also just wanna say something about the "pay ur subs/in rl" comment.
Yes im aware that the adding causes frustration and it boils over.
But if that asnwer is retarded and is a bad way of discussing, what is usually the ones that try start it? Fao bla bla bla..ur a cock for adding etc.
What possible response and mature discussion is growing out of that?
Do you see the"nice guys in rl" people start making similar nicknames calling the "leet" crowd "the retards in rl"? No they dont...and why is that?
Are the nice guys in rl too mature...or do they just not care as much or take it as seriously ...i dunno. Something to think about
eb.

Basically u argument by extracting bits in posts and then telling only one side of the story.

As we are discussing censi's mod agroo abit here, there is no reason to not bring up why he got the agroo, yes his threads and what they were about.

Then your argument against my reasons to why the "nice guy irl" etc comments are constantly flying about and the reasons why I think they r sometimes juste ( if they are held on a decent level ), is to say that the
"1337" camp started the thread, well they did it b/c some1 activley went in and ruined their fun, now do we wanna take this chain of actions any further, or is my point clear? It's noone fualt really it's just a fact/state.

And ofc I do not think censi is a target b/c the mods fell with the group pressure from the "nice guy irl" camp. But b/c he wouldn't let it go. He brought up the issue time after time, with sometimes dodgy methods, sometimes even abit abusive. But not like censi is the root to all evil things here on FH, it's the modding and the current ingame situation and the lack of respect amongst players. This frustration builds up and gets vented and discussed there.

One exampel is when one of these OF threads pop up and the "nice guy" camp says OF sucked b/c they couldn't get groups or that the gank groups dominated them. This is what daoc used to be, then it changed the old player base of competative players where still very much playing the game during this change, some quited since in all honesty daoc became more directed to casual gamers / zergers then it was before. Hence the ppl who didn't adapt quit or whined.
They get the stfu stamp each and every time, and banning censi who is a spokesman for alot of ppl who you call his "friends" who lowers them to a i-agree-with-censi-b/c-i'm-his-bumchum basically, makes some ppl who have diffrent opinions then "the nice guy" camp annoyed, hence the constant whine.

This is how I see it quiet alot, I don't care that much, don't think I ever made a whine thread about adding myself, don't see that point since ppl won't change b/c I tell them. But there is no reason for not discussing it.

I see that we have diffret views on this aswell, but we can still discuss it in a quiet friendly way wich everyone should strive for.

 

[kivik]

Do you see the"nice guys in rl" people start making similar nicknames calling the "leet" crowd "the retards in rl"? No they dont...and why is that?

You are joking, right?

'Elitist prick', 'rp-horny prick' etc.. are just a few.

 

[censi]

so basically you prepared to make statements about me but are not prepared to discuss the validity of those statements.

which is basically what the mods are doing. except I have quoted examples of things that I have been warned about (which are beyond debait silly harmless things). But people will not quote the bad things about me.

I can also happily quote posts of mine that countless people have repped and dont contain swear words or any form of insults, and then replies from people basically doing the opposite (with personal attacks and insults) and its doesnt get any mod attention.

etc. I think thats the thing that annoys the mods everything I say I can back up with examples and evidence, which means it doesnt become a debait it just becomes them resorting to silencing me rather than take public valid critism.

 

[ebenezer]

Basically u argument by extracting bits in posts and then telling only one side of the story.

As we are discussing censi's mod agroo abit here, there is no reason to not bring up why he got the agroo, yes his threads and what they were about.

Then your argument against my reasons to why the "nice guy irl" etc comments are constantly flying about and the reasons why I think they r sometimes juste ( if they are held on a decent level ), is to say that the
"1337" camp started the thread, well they did it b/c some1 activley went in and ruined their fun, now do we wanna take this chain of actions any further, or is my point clear? It's noone fualt really it's just a fact/state.

And ofc I do not think censi is a target b/c the mods fell with the group pressure from the "nice guy irl" camp. But b/c he wouldn't let it go. He brought up the issue time after time, with sometimes dodgy methods, sometimes even abit abusive. But not like censi is the root to all evil things here on FH, it's the modding and the current ingame situation and the lack of respect amongst players. This frustration builds up and gets vented and discussed there.

One exampel is when one of these OF threads pop up and the "nice guy" camp says OF sucked b/c they couldn't get groups or that the gank groups dominated them. This is what daoc used to be, then it changed the old player base of competative players where still very much playing the game during this change, some quited since in all honesty daoc became more directed to casual gamers / zergers then it was before. Hence the ppl who didn't adapt quit or whined.
They get the stfu stamp each and every time, and banning censi who is a spokesman for alot of ppl who you call his "friends" who lowers them to a i-agree-with-censi-b/c-i'm-his-bumchum basically, makes some ppl who have diffrent opinions then "the nice guy" camp annoyed, hence the constant whine.

This is how I see it quiet alot, I don't care that much, don't think I ever made a whine thread about adding myself, don't see that point since ppl won't change b/c I tell them. But there is no reason for not discussing it.

I see that we have diffret views on this aswell, but we can still discuss it in a quiet friendly way wich everyone should strive for.

i can see that we do agree on certain things then. So not much to discuss really. I just wanted you to say if you think censi was banned for absolutely nothing as he claims all the time. Which you kinda agreed with me that he wasnt.
Also the reason i say censis friends instead of naming names besides censi etc, is cause a minority in the "leet" camp have anything cosctructive to say many times( and prolly in the other camp as well), and so many use the same frases as censi does like he would be a highschool click leader and instead of frasing their own thoughts and concerns instead of just say" amen the spokesman have said all i just agree".

Anyways you have some valid points and sure there is always a good thing to be able to discuss. thats what the forum is for

 

[Entran]

lol censi you actually believe you are being victimised dont you ?

 

[ebenezer]

You are joking, right?

'Elitist prick', 'rp-horny prick' etc.. are just a few.

lol...kiw..dont just come into the discussion and missunderstand what i meant right away
I wasnt saying that the other camp NEVER say bad things..dont read everything so literarly all the time^^
Read up what we discussed and pm me and il sort it for you
eb.

 

[ebenezer]

so basically you prepared to make statements about me but are not prepared to discuss the validity of those statements.

which is basically what the mods are doing. except I have quoted examples of things that I have been warned about (which are beyond debait silly harmless things). But people will not quote the bad things about me.

I can also happily quote posts of mine that countless people have repped and dont contain swear words or any form of insults, and then replies from people basically doing the opposite (with personal attacks and insults) and its doesnt get any mod attention.

etc. I think thats the thing that annoys the mods everything I say I can back up with examples and evidence, which means it doesnt become a debait it just becomes them resorting to silencing me rather than take public valid critism.

as i said i really dont care Im currently dl some music and working with other stuff while standing afk in NF. So writing a few posts here isnt to boring and doesnt take too much of my time. I dont however care enough to start digging up stuff from ur past to get involved in any argument.
And possibly the mods feel the same way. The ones thinking you deserve the warnings etc have a memory...and remember the stuff that you write and cba to back that up cause they prolly not care about it...i dunno

I was merely trying to help you see the folly and back off before you get banned perma, thats it...no hidden agenda no attack
listen to it...or not
eb.

 

[censi]

blablablabla must have last say which is the same irrelevent stuff as previous comment.

 

[Straef]

hold on. I use <bag> pipe now instead of the grotesque pan pipe. I am making sure the posts I reply to are not older than 1 week. I guess I wont say "more like how many times you add in it" to a synergy member again.

But like If Im getting warnings for stuff thats this trivial, I mean I could get banned for anything??? thats what concerns me. I mean if I had a warning meter full of incidents at me saying offensive things to people, like heavy swear language, or personal threats and insults, then like I could hold my hands up and say, hmm yer I was out of order guess I deserve to go. But like the stuff Im being hit with is just a tad silly imo.

Like I think the next time I say "you sux" or something im gonna get banned.

Are you playing thick or being serious? ;x You don't need to tell someone to die irl in order to be a prick. If you post things that aren't bannable, but still don't help for the overall atmosphere, and spread negativity whenever you post, aswell as posting some shit that IS worth a warning, you really shouldn't be surprised.

 

[kivik]

lol...kiw..dont just come into the discussion and missunderstand what i meant right away
I wasnt saying that the other camp NEVER say bad things..dont read everything so literarly all the time^^
Read up what we discussed and pm me and il sort it for you
eb.

No you didn't, and I didn't say you said that either. And I know you didn't say I said that you said so.

This is what you said:

Do you see the"nice guys in rl" people start making similar nicknames calling the "leet" crowd "the retards in rl"? No they dont...and why is that?

If I get it right you say you don't see the zerging/adding camp make up any nicknames for soloer/fg v fg guys.

And if you didn't mean that I'm not sure how I should render everything you say. I mean if you say something but actually mean something completly different, why don't you say what you mean instead of saying what you don't mean?

Anyways I thought I would enlighten you that zergers/adders do, infact make similar nicknames such as those I mentioned in previous post.

And don't come here saying I mistunderstood something.

 

[ebenezer]

No you didn't, and I didn't say you said that either. And I know you didn't say I said that you said so.

This is what you said:



If I get it right you say you don't see the zerging/adding camp make up any nicknames for soloer/fg v fg guys.

And if you didn't mean that I'm not sure how I should render everything you say. I mean if you say something but actually mean something completly different, why don't you say what you mean instead of saying what you don't mean?

Anyways I thought I would enlighten you that zergers/adders do, infact make similar nicknames such as those I mentioned in previous post.

And don't come here saying I mistunderstood something.

you did missunderstand it kiw As what i said was in the context about the "nice guys in rl" comments. Both camps say alot of other nasty stuff...thats quite obvious for all to see every day. What is new however is that exact comment flying around like a new cool "sommarplaga" on swedish radio energy. That was what this was about...
Please pm me if you still not understand

 

[ebenezer]

Are you playing thick or being serious? ;x You don't need to tell someone to die irl in order to be a prick. If you post things that aren't bannable, but still don't help for the overall atmosphere, and spread negativity whenever you post, aswell as posting some shit that IS worth a warning, you really shouldn't be surprised.

either he is sitting there thinking this is hilarious and being sarcastic about this also. Or he just dont understand it and have a completely different way of socialising with people. I dunno hehe
And...i dont really care Now im actually gonna play something..so im off the boards until later.
have fun!

 

[censi]

no the difference you can offend the "nice guy irl" just by describing them as "nice guy irl's" (a term they made up not me). Where as you cant offended the "leetist" camp by calling them "leetist".

why is that? Whats bad about being termed as a "nice guy irl" player?

I have never gone into any details about why I started quoting this because everyone understands why its a bad tag, because they know what it represents.

 

[Sharkith]

no the difference you can offend the "nice guy irl" just by describing them as "nice guy irl's" (a term they made up not me). Where as you cant offended the "leetist" camp by calling them "leetist".

why is that? Whats bad about being termed as a "nice guy irl" player?

I have never gone into any details about why I started quoting this because everyone understands why its a bad tag, because they know what it represents.

Nah your off the mark there censi, l33tists invented l33t as a term to describe themselves and the same l33tists converted what was a pretty weak argument into a derogatory slogan 'nice guy irl'. They were the ones who attached the bad label to it. Why others don't like it is simply because all the l33tists are doing is what they always do. They are simply trying to make themselves look good - which is what l33t is all about.

the usual playground politics....

 

[kivik]

You know what, you are actually annoying me now. Every time I've replied to something you say it's the same 'lol kiw! you mistunderstood PM me if you still don't understand! '.

Now,

Both camps say alot of other nasty stuff...thats quite obvious for all to see every day.

Then why do you say

Do you see the"nice guys in rl" people start making similar nicknames calling the "leet" crowd "the retards in rl"? No they dont...and why is that?

Kinda contradicting, no? And no I don't think it's quoted out of context.

After all, I'm not the one that doesn't understand, it's you that can't explain it properly.

Now lay off the 'pm me if you don't understand! ' and explain here and now.


ps. yes I'm bored and apparently eb is aswell.

[EDIT]

Now im actually gonna play something..so im off the boards until later.
have fun!

meh!

 

[Straef]

no the difference you can offend the "nice guy irl" just by describing them as "nice guy irl's" (a term they made up not me). Where as you cant offended the "leetist" camp by calling them "leetist".

why is that? Whats bad about being termed as a "nice guy irl" player?

I have never gone into any details about why I started quoting this because everyone understands why its a bad tag, because they know what it represents.

Until recently people didn't use 'nice guy irl' as a term, but as a description. The fact that you and certain others turned it into a phrase, after it having been used as an excuse for zerging/adding and such, pretty much just makes it the same as calling someone an adding **** or a wank player or the like. That's probably why they'd be offended. And there are people who get offended by being called leetist or the like, as it all just depends on who's using it against who.

 

[Jupitus]

Until recently people didn't use 'nice guy irl' as a term, but as a description. The fact that you and certain others turned it into a phrase, after it having been used as an excuse for zerging/adding and such, pretty much just makes it the same as calling someone an adding **** or a wank player or the like. That's probably why they'd be offended. And there are people who get offended by being called leetist or the like, as it all just depends on who's using it against who.

... and Censi seems to think that the mods don't realise this fact too....

 

[Straef]

... and Censi seems to think that the mods don't realise this fact too....

:d~

 

[Azathrim]

If im wrong give me the specific examples of abuse that warrent the "special treatment" Im getting.

Sure!

For several months, there were one thing to be certain off. Each time a certain member of the FH community posted, you could be dead certain censi would be there and reply something that included "pan pipes".

That's harassment for you. And the mods rightfully warned you for it.

 

[Tilda]

Sure!

For several months, there were one thing to be certain off. Each time a certain member of the FH community posted, you could be dead certain censi would be there and reply something that included "pan pipes".

That's harassment for you. And the mods rightfully warned you for it.

<shockingly agrees with Azathrim!>

 

[Congax]

It's funny how every thread turns into a "Gosh, what shall Censi do this time?" discussion.

Novamir is correct.

 

[Belomar]

Who cares about what Censi says or does anyway? This thread was about how the level of moderation has found a nice level, why the heck do we have to keep discussing that little midget all the time?

I guess some people can't live without attention.

 

[censi]

For several months, there were one thing to be certain off. Each time a certain member of the FH community posted, you could be dead certain censi would be there and reply something that included "pan pipes".

In an effort to not use strong language I toned down pan pipe to bag pipe.

If this doesnt demonstrate a willingness from a known offender to work with the authorities to make everyones lives more happy, what does?!

 

[Tilda]

No, that shows you changing the word to try and avoid being punished.
Its fucking obvious that the meaning intended is still the same. If you were saying pan pipe to me, and then changed to bag pipe because of the threat of a ban, its still obvious to me that you're using bag pipe in the same derogatory meaning that you used pan pipe before.
Therefore its still just as insulting as before.

 

[Chrstffr]

Chief! how come everytime you come around, my London, London bridge wanna go down?!

 

[Sharkith]

Chief! how come everytime you come around, my London, London bridge wanna go down?!

lay off whatever it is you had for dinner tonight and everything will be fine tomorrow......