Politics Election 2019

[Moriath]

I think he was referring to my nan, but you do raise an interesting point.

@Moriath I trust you don't use the NHS then?

A lot of care homes are not nhs run they are private. Care is provided by councils not nhs usually. If you have certain conditions that mean you need nursing care then as job showed, you get money for that.
The nhs are not supposed to provide you with a house if you are homeless so why should they provide a sheltered housing service.

I have private health insurance but use the nhs ofcourse. I dont have 6 figures in savings.

 

[Job]

Russian comedian ..could be true.

View: https://youtu.be/SP53k64VZRo

 

[Job]

Tories could win up to 366 seats, but narrowing of polls means tactical voting will be decisive

 

[Wij]

Support the NHS? What is it? A football team? Of course they do - some would like to see reform, but we'll never get that whilst it's being treated like a religious cult by the hard of thinking.

Anyway Factcheck: Corbyn’s ‘NHS for sale’ claims | Coffee House (use Google to get round paywall)

So they don't say what Corbyn says they do. Which was fairly predictable, after all if there was a smoking gun in there they would have mentioned it in October when the documents first turned up on Reddit. Almost as if he's trying to divert people's attention from a particularly painful car crash interview on the BBC.

But:


View: https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1199776912777728000


Given the US’ started priorities if the UK says no way on the nhs and food the US will walk away.

 

[Moriath]

Get our drugs from china haha

 

[Job]

Or..from where we get them now.

 

[Embattle]

Conservatives on course for 68-seat majority, MRP poll suggests

 

[Moriath]

Or..from where we get them now.

Maybe india with eau de rat poop

 

[dysfunction]

Conservatives on course for 68-seat majority, MRP poll suggests

This is very scary indeed. i'd hate to see what Boris gets up to when he has a clear majority.


I'm really going to have to vote Labour now.

 

[Job]

It cannot possibly be worse than a Corbyn government.
Which is why the polls look as they do.

 

[Gwadien]

Unless you earn over 80k a year and aren't going to be seriously ill for the rest of your life. Then yeah, Boris is a fair choice.

I'd like to believe that people don't decide on their government for purely selfish reasons though.

Gonna be proved wrong if Boris wins though

 

[Yoni]

I dont agree Gwadien - there are many people who earn inexcess of 80k and are currently in good health who do not think Boris is a viable choice.

 

[caLLous]

It cannot possibly be worse than a Corbyn government.
Which is why the polls look as they do.

Of course it can. A lot of the people voting for the Tories don't give a toss about the vast majority of their manifesto, he's just told them that he'll "get Brexit done". I've got no idea how Corbyn would do as PM but the fact that Johnson is just brazenly lying every time he opens his mouth and they're ignoring it because "Brexit means Brexit" is just the tip of the shitshow iceberg for the UK over the next decade.

 

[Job]

The system is a bit fucked obviously.
Ive only voted once in my life where the vote mattered.
And thats the brexit referendum.
Im in a Labour enclave and I dont even bother to vote..its pointless..in a facing reality sort of way.

 

[Job]

Of course it can. A lot of the people voting for the Tories don't give a toss about the vast majority of their manifesto, he's just told them that he'll "get Brexit done". I've got no idea how Corbyn would do as PM but the fact that Johnson is just brazenly lying every time he opens his mouth and they're ignoring it because "Brexit means Brexit" is just the tip of the shitshow iceberg for the UK over the next decade.

Boris doesnt want brexit.

Its going to be a brexit fudge if he gets a majority.

 

[Gwadien]

Boris wants hard Brexit because that's his support base within the party

 

[Wij]

Boris doesn’t give a shit what Brexit he gets. If Cameron had backed Leave in 2016 he’d have backed remain.

We’ll probably end up with no deal in 2020 because getting a deal is hard and he doesn’t like hard work.

 

[Bodhi]

Get our drugs from china haha

I'd troll Corbyn and the rest of the hard left by getting them from Israel.

 

[Bodhi]

Unless you earn over 80k a year and aren't going to be seriously ill for the rest of your life. Then yeah, Boris is a fair choice.

I'd like to believe that people don't decide on their government for purely selfish reasons though.

Gonna be proved wrong if Boris wins though

If you think only people earning over 80k a year will be paying extra tax under Corbyn I have a lovely bridge you may be interested in. Even Corbyn himself admitted this the other night,

 

[Gwadien]

If you think only people earning over 80k a year will be paying extra tax under Corbyn I have a lovely bridge you may be interested in. Even Corbyn himself admitted this the other night,

I think everyone will be paying tax, but the amount of extra tax your average non-super rich Joe will be paying will be negligible.

I mean people are genuinely scared that we'll become communists and it's just a ridiculous exaggeration.

 

[Yoni]

If you think only people earning over 80k a year will be paying extra tax under Corbyn I have a lovely bridge you may be interested in. Even Corbyn himself admitted this the other night,

or it could be viewed as no one is currently paying enough tax to support current public spending.... if the UK really want an end to austerity ALL forms of taxation should be reviewed as well as the *cough cough* benefits of leaving the EU.... not just assume that brexit will solve everything.....

 

[Embattle]

or it could be viewed as no one is currently paying enough tax to support current public spending.... if the UK really want an end to austerity ALL forms of taxation should be reviewed as well as the *cough cough* benefits of leaving the EU.... not just assume that brexit will solve everything.....

The IFS and others have stated you need to pull more tax in from nearly all groups, targeting just companies and the top won't be enough even if it was to work.

 

[Moriath]

or it could be viewed as no one is currently paying enough tax to support current public spending.... if the UK really want an end to austerity ALL forms of taxation should be reviewed as well as the *cough cough* benefits of leaving the EU.... not just assume that brexit will solve everything.....

No western country operates a surplus do they? Most countries spend more than they tax. We have a deficit each month. The usa has a huge deficit.

its all funny money really. Not backed up by gold any more. So as long as they dont go too mad and people still trust the value of the cash then its just spend it anyway.
Really no ones ever gonna pay back the deficits we supposedly borrow each year.

 

[Vae]

No western country operates a surplus do they?

Germany I believe.

 

[Scouse]

Really no ones ever gonna pay back the deficits we supposedly borrow each year.

They can't. It's physically impossible to.

When we create $1, we actually create $1 + $0.01 of debt (because banks create a loan + your interest payment, the debt). You can pay back that $1 with the $1 you've created, but you need to pay back the $0.01 too. But with what? So you create another $1 (+0.01) and you pay back that $0.01 with that $1, leaving you with $0.99 + another $0.01 of debt. So...

 

[Yoni]

Germany I believe.

I believe it is the reason that they will survive the current slow down without too many issues

 

[Moriath]

I believe it is the reason that they will survive the current slow down without too many issues

So if you accept that most countries will never pay back their debt then there has to be a reckoning sometime where all these government bonds and loans are just written off like we did with the third world 20 years ago.

Someone needs to realise that money is a construct that really doesnt mean anything except for the belief in exchange for goods and services. They should take government spending out of the circulation and just print money to pay the workers who do the stuff that makes the services.
Money is just vouchers for stuff.

 

[Scouse]

Someone needs to realise that money is a construct that really doesnt mean anything except for the belief in exchange for goods and services. They should take government spending out of the circulation and just print money to pay the workers

It's no secret. But why would you "create wealth" for the super rich, working like a slave till you drop, if the work you did 30 years ago wasn't worthless today?

 

[Moriath]

It's no secret. But why would you "create wealth" for the super rich, working like a slave till you drop, if the work you did 30 years ago wasn't worthless today?

Well thats the flaw with capitalism.
We are currently based on everything growing. Which in a finite world is impossible.

and the chiefs at the top of the tree keep growing their wealth. Because of this fallacy.

we are currently in a stage of corporate cannibalism to grow. We have been through natural growth.

there has to be somewhere between communism and capitalism that limits personal wealth. But you are rewarded for labour or invention but there is a cap. No one would say its impossible for 1 billion to see you through your life. So set 1 billion as a cap for personal wealth and anything above that has to be invested back into the people who got you there. Not just in pay, but the environments they live in and the amenities they use.

 

[Scouse]

there has to be somewhere between communism and capitalism that limits personal wealth. But you are rewarded for labour or invention but there is a cap. No one would say its impossible for 1 billion to see you through your life. So set 1 billion as a cap for personal wealth and anything above that has to be invested back into the people who got you there. Not just in pay, but the environments they live in and the amenities they use.

No cap during your lifetime. If you want 100,000,000 billion then knock yourself out.

Zero inheritance tho. All goes back to democratic state. Your kids shouldn't get a free ride - they have to make it on their own. (If you're a bazillionaire then whilst you're alive you'd obviously tilt everything in their favour - best education, sport, health, best everything).

Nobody would go for it. So I'd have an inheritence cap - few hundred grand and a house of average price for the country you choose to live in. If your kids can't get along after that for free, then they can fucking die, because you've failed them as a parent anyway.