Destruction recieved to much love?

[Andrilyn]

You need to learn about the classes better I play a BW as my main but also learn how to kill them so I can avoid being killed.

Oh really? says Ailment and Curse to me, while you can remove the SW root you can not remove the BW root or dot's.

 

[sp4nky]

Oh really? says Ailment and Curse to me, while you can remove the SW root you can not remove the BW root or dot's.

lol.. Well I have tested it in beta and it removed them both unless they ballsed it up for release.

I will try it tonight with a mate and see what happens. Will be intresting to see, if they can't be removed think ill resec to dot instead of aoe. will prob beat me top dmg of 160kish that way.

 

[ramathorn]

oh on a side note just for those bitching about BW dot spec saying its over powered I can get rid of the dots with my healers.....

You need to learn about the classes better I play a BW as my main but also learn how to kill them so I can avoid being killed.

You can remove the dots with a healer as you get remove hex ( thats what BW dots are) so instead of bitching nurf them try learning to play better!

Same goes for the sorc dots they can be removed too by orders healers and roots.... they are also hex`s.

Hope that helps some people.

i cant believe people are still trying to defend this.

trust me, you are not a better player than everyone who is saying bright wizards are overpowered.

glimpse of chaos - zealot hex removal is on a 5s cool down, whats the cool down on your dots? so great, while trying to keep six people who have been insta dotted by your butt fucking bradey bunch of bright wizards alive, we can remove a dot every 5 seconds. just throw "playing with fire" in there to make things that much easier. im shit, you're awesome.

please correct me if there is something wrong with the above, if theres something else i can do, i am all ears.

 

[adams901]

You can remove the dots with a healer as you get remove hex ( thats what BW dots are) so instead of bitching nurf them try learning to play better!

Ok so in that one paragraph you say you need a healer to get rid of the dots, then you also say learn to play better... how can you learn to play better if you are dependant on someone else to remove the dots placed on you?

We all know that trying to get a heal in a random grouped scenario is next to impossible.

my lvl 18 was hit by a lvl 14 BW yesterday, wasnt a dot, but he crit me for nearly 800 dmg. Dunno if thats high for the lvl or not as i dont really pay much attention to damage stats, I only searched that particular one out as I went down in seconds.

 

[`mongoose]

Hey lets all bitch about our mirror classes.


Yeah Shammie is more powerful then an archmage. Its knockback is alot more powerful and also throws them out of harm..

The AP draining spell is more powerful..

And finally shammie get "Gork says stop" which is a royal pain in the ass when you get chased down.

The maruader aoe KD is on a twenty second cd......order dont get any aoe kd with such ease of use. Double this up with sorcs aoe and demolition spam from maruader. To finish of any runners with the zealots rubber banding thingy spell thats insanely annoying = Dead zerg

In a game dedicated to huge zerg battles i do think dest have a slight edge atm.

lol

I thought you were taking the piss....

The shammy aoe knockback (9 times out of 10) kills the shammy

you either end up right in the middle of a load of pissed off order who you've just thrown in the same direction as your travelling and have landed RIGHT by you with you on your own, OR (my personal favourite)

your knockback hits some miniscule little pebble in front of the enemies you want to throw away and you end up rebounding off said pebble and flying 30 feet in the opposite direction and land in the lava....

Normally the latter happens and I'm sure the order guys are sitting there saying "did you just knock that goblin back?" to each other whilst scratching their heads.

Every now and again it works as it should - and you (or rather I) land in the lava surrounded by pissed off and very dead order tanks and healers - at that point I'd say yeah - it's a bit op - like all knockbacks are atm (IMO).

It's still alot of fun and I say this as someone who nearly always ends up in a dest team full of bauble leroys who think they should charge the organised order team whilst holding the bauble and sitting on their own out of group with no healers.



Take a deep breath imo. Get to 40. Let's get a good 2-3 months of lvl 40 behind us with realm abilities and ranks sorted and reknown gear then take a good hard look at class balance. As it stands most of us have seen about 1 third of what the game is. We've got 1-20, 20 -40 and then rr 40-80 before we can really say whether there's proper balance imo.

M
p.s. yes I probably am shit with my aoe knockback. I don't really care - it always puts a huge smile on my face when it goes right or wrong

 

[dee777]

lol.. Well I have tested it in beta and it removed them both unless they ballsed it up for release.

I will try it tonight with a mate and see what happens. Will be intresting to see, if they can't be removed think ill resec to dot instead of aoe. will prob beat me top dmg of 160kish that way.

Haha, thats funny. First "DOTs aint that good, L2P!" and then "Kool, I ll use that too!". Credibility went thru the roof...erm...floor?

 

[Soazak]

Glimpse of Chaos works to remove dots/firecage, although when they are on 9/15s duration and it takes 5s to remove each one it's a little redundant.

The dots are classed as Hex so the Sham(and I presume Archmage) cannot remove them as theirs removes curse/ailment.

 

[Soazak]

glimpse of chaos - zealot hex removal is on a 5s cool down, whats the cool down on your dots? so great, while trying to keep six people who have been insta dotted by your butt fucking bradey bunch of bright wizards alive, we can remove a dot every 5 seconds. just throw "playing with fire" in there to make things that much easier. im shit, you're awesome.

QFT^

I don't believe BW are actually OP, I just think that dots in this game need looking at. The counter to them is terrible.

Perhaps Order don't see it as sorc cannot stack as much as bw, but it's a nightmare as a healer

 

[sloand]

dee777 you clearly have ZERO understanding of English........please do not make such dumb ass replies to my post, you are clearly just trolling.

 

[dee777]

dee777 you clearly have ZERO understanding of English........please do not make such dumb ass replies to my post, you are clearly just trolling.

Did I hit a soft spot or why do you resort to language nazi stuff?

 

[sp4nky]

Haha, thats funny. First "DOTs aint that good, L2P!" and then "Kool, I ll use that too!". Credibility went thru the roof...erm...floor?

Was being sarcastic..... about useing them maybe I should of put it in speach marks with ---sarcastic at the end.

The Bw dot that does the dmg is Detonate - 10s cool down.
Boiling blood is on a 10s timer too, the only one that has no cool down is ignite and only does 549dmg over 9s at lvl 40.........

Archmage has Cleansing Light - 5s cool down to remove dots on order players same timer..









"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen"

 

[sloand]

OMG i just read some of the other replies......What the hell is this. I type in English and you do not understand it?????

To have "the edge" means you have the advantage.

To be "Overpowered" means you have the advantage.

How are the two opposing opinions?

What in the name of the lord are you all rambling on about?

 

[sloand]

Lol dee, i just fell for your trolling shenanigans

I feel for you. You must only be understanding half the posts on here.

Also please define Nazi to me?

 

[sp4nky]

Lol dee, i just fell for your trolling shenanigans

I feel for you. You must only be understanding half the posts on here.

Also please define Nazi to me?

Nazism, which was a short name for National Socialism(German: Nationalsozialismus), refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945

 

[sloand]

Thankyou sp4nky for clearing that up for us

 

[charl8tan]

Ramathorn, if you are English or British, you really should learn the difference between sarcasm and irony. Sarcasm uses irony, but is not in itself ironic. And if you're not British or English then clearly in my post I indicated that was a requirement to "maybe" catch the irony contained within the post. Additionally I did not in any way imply that everyone would read it in the same way, I distinctly stated that "I read it" in a fashion that did not make either sentence appear out of place and stated the reason behind that.

I would also argue against your use of the word biased, considering my statement was over an understanding of something said in the English language by English people, so there really isn't multiple sides there to be biased towards. In the original sentence posted by sloand true, his was (if my understanding is correct) biased towards the English/British for full understanding but then, unless you are fluent or a native speaker of a language don't get pissy if you don't understand something 100% (I know I'm often left scratching my head with German).

Anyway, this is supposed to be a Warhammer discussion and we're kind of side-tracking it here with language talk.

 

[Iorlas]

Ramathorn, if you are English or British, you really should learn the difference between sarcasm and irony. Sarcasm uses irony, but is not in itself ironic. And if you're not British or English then clearly in my post I indicated that was a requirement to "maybe" catch the irony contained within the post. Additionally I did not in any way imply that everyone would read it in the same way, I distinctly stated that "I read it" in a fashion that did not make either sentence appear out of place and stated the reason behind that.

I would also argue against your use of the word biased, considering my statement was over an understanding of something said in the English language by English people, so there really isn't multiple sides there to be biased towards. In the original sentence posted by sloand true, his was (if my understanding is correct) biased towards the English/British for full understanding but then, unless you are fluent or a native speaker of a language don't get pissy if you don't understand something 100% (I know I'm often left scratching my head with German).

Anyway, this is supposed to be a Warhammer discussion and we're kind of side-tracking it here with language talk.

In plain English and without wishing to sound rude,what a load of bollox:england:

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

oh on a side note just for those bitching about BW dot spec saying its over powered I can get rid of the dots with my healers.....

You need to learn about the classes better I play a BW as my main but also learn how to kill them so I can avoid being killed.

You can remove the dots with a healer as you get remove hex ( thats what BW dots are) so instead of bitching nurf them try learning to play better!

Same goes for the sorc dots they can be removed too by orders healers and roots.... they are also hex`s.

Hope that helps some people.

Don't delude yourself, BW is the first class to get hit with the nerf bat.

There are people playing it and denying it and people playing it and not denying it, it's easy to see in what category you belong to .

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Was being sarcastic.....

How many FH accounts are you using btw? Split personality, I have a hard time following the cross-account-quotes.

 

[dee777]

Lol dee, i just fell for your trolling shenanigans

I feel for you. You must only be understanding half the posts on here.

Also please define Nazi to me?

Nazism, which was a short name for National Socialism(German: Nationalsozialismus), refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945

Thankyou sp4nky for clearing that up for us

Did you really just answer your own question and thank yourself for it in the following post? Hilarious!

 

[sloand]

LMFAO.......D E E U R A D U M B A S S

<insert dancing cheerleaders here>

 

[Jupitus]

Calm it down folks... and that's 2 different IPs...

 

[Belgerath]

Jup has spoken!

 

[sloand]

Well i posted a constructive opinion based around my experience from when i started playing in cb until now.

I still think the dest classes seem more finished and polished. You get the best mix of aoe damage and utility which is needed for zerg fighting. If the only argument against order is one spec line of the bw then whats the problem?

It will be interesting to see which way the nerf bat is gonna swing first

Lets start a betting poll up

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

The healers are all pretty equal (infact nearly identicle )

Not true. Shamans are way, way superior to AMs. I know as i've played both into tier 4.

 

[Iorlas]

Well i posted a constructive opinion based around my experience from when i started playing in cb until now.

I still think the dest classes seem more finished and polished. You get the best mix of aoe damage and utility which is needed for zerg fighting. If the only argument against order is one spec line of the bw then whats the problem?

It will be interesting to see which way the nerf bat is gonna swing first

Lets start a betting poll up

no you didn't post anything constructive...BW need a nerf.

 

[ramathorn]

no you didn't post anything constructive...BW need a nerf.

lol, i like how simple u keep it

 

[Soazak]

Well i posted a constructive opinion based around my experience from when i started playing in cb until now.

I still think the dest classes seem more finished and polished. You get the best mix of aoe damage and utility which is needed for zerg fighting. If the only argument against order is one spec line of the bw then whats the problem?

It will be interesting to see which way the nerf bat is gonna swing first

Lets start a betting poll up

Just out of curiosity which zerg fighting are you talking about?

99% of the rvr so far is happening in scenarios, the small amount that is happening in open rvr seems to be equal numbers about half the time, and when it's not no specific faction appears more 'zergier' (on KEP).

There is no doubt about it, that there are several classes in this game which are superior to their counterparts, I'm not talking different, i simply mean better. The BW is one of them, people that defend them with the whole 'the realms are not supposed to be the same' but thats a different issue.

I wouldn't go so far to say BW is overpowered but it is better than the Sorc.

 

[sloand]

yep he's straight to the point........gotta be from Cornwall

 

[sloand]

We see plenty on Karak Hirn.

cant talk for all the servers though.