DAoC vs WoW - the aftermath

[Sortbane]

"The nostalgics are still browsing this board" - hell yes

Still playing wow, but lately I have started to daydream about the RvR and other aspects of daoc and I really do miss it.

Have 1 L60 char with 5 epics and more to come (got a good deal of dkp in my guild) and atm I just cant see myself quitting due to having worked too much in wow for my character. But still daoc is one of the best mmorpgs out there for me, having played AO, EQ, UO, a quick trip to SWG and a even quicker glance at Lineage2.

I just never felt part of the action, its too big, too much going on, I dont to log on tto be reminded how insignificant I am.

Had the same feeling in the start of the game, now when the initial dust has settled it seems to be the hardcore gang that is similar to the whole of daoc community, then the random carebears that goes around dreaming of ever owning an epic. (even tho, the daoc community is still far more mature)

 

[Tallen]

My whole guild moved lock-stock to WoW, I stayed behind playing DAoC for a while but it was crap without the guys i had played with since release.

Met some new players, made some new friends, then moved to WoW, tried it for a few weeks and very quickly realised that WoW was just another mmorpg clone (so similar to EQ2 that it's scary), kill this, deliver that, grind-grind-grind, level up, then sit on yer ass wondering what to do next.

I found the pvp poor and the community very hostile, rude and selfish. Everything that (for me) makes an online game good was rotten in WoW.

Resubbed 2 days ago to DAoC, hooked up with some old friends and I'm havin a blast again. Sure it's not the game it once was, but it's still the best thing around at the moment.

 

[Chrystina]

Complete bullshit

I've had friends come back to the game 18 months after their account closed with all chars on it fine and dandy

18 months WoW pause? grats for the uber timemachine megameight!

 

[Illudian]

How many WoW players play WoW and read FH? :touch:

 

[fionnel]

I play wow and still read it, haven't played daoc since january or february so i am pretty sure i am not coming back. Reading the daoc forums had become a habit though because of all the people i knew, so i read general discussion here from time to time

As to the reason i am still playing wow, i prefer several of its features more than daoc's. I would say the following are the main reasons:

-It's anti-zerg mentality. If you do pvp, the match will be even, 40vs40, 15vs15, 10vs10, you won't be hopelessly outnumbered. You can still have the feeling of an epic battle without having to worry about facing the opponent's 'zerg' (provided you are in a reasonably well populated server). If you do pve, the encounter will be usually suitable for your group's size and skill, you won't have the option of just bringing 30 extra people in to do the job. Pve is much more challenging and less trivial than daoc's, where the only challenging encounters were the original hib dragon and hib galla boss imo.
Also, you can choose the playstyle of the game you want to play. If you want a pvp game that your team's speed and reflexes make the difference, play wsg, for people who prefer tactics and organisation, Arathi Basin. AV is a place where the worst and the best can happen, it can degrade to a game of just pressing your nuke button and going back and forth or it can be a really great epic battle where tactics and discipline matters, but that's more rare really. In daoc, you did what the server was doing. If it was a zergy night, you would have to live with that. If several rr10 groups showed up and obliterated you a gazillion times on a row, you had to live with that. I prefer the choice i have now, gank guilds and zergs exist but are not dominating the game anywhere near as they did in daoc.


-The world. To me it just feels huge and vivid. I never felt like that about daoc apart from the time goa did some events, thumbs up for that and i wish wow team did it too. Leveling up in Hib and wow/horde was a vastly different experience, in the latter i felt i was journeying around a huge world with noticeable variety, while the first was more like playing a golf game where i was passing to stage 2-3-4 etc etc. The lore is pretty amazing too, the game, and especially its pve part loses 50% of its charm if you haven't played the warcraft game and aren't reading the texts. They have put much effort into the quests' lore, especially towards the end game.

-Blizzard. Generally, as far as i am concerned they are doing a great job. They deliver new content constantly, and they show signs of improvement every time. The latest patch has been a great example of that, they gave a new dungeon and a new battleground that both are excellent in principle and design. Other people might say they are slow, but i have not even been in BWL yet and been only half way through the core. I am satisifed with them and i trust them, which i am afraid i can't say for Mythic, who made some very decent attempts before releasing toa, but after toa and NF, i just didn't believe in their vision for the game anymore. I keep hearing good stuff about them these days though, so have to give them credit.


-Also, pvp'ing for items is quite a relief. I like pve but to a certain point. I wouldn't want to do MC and BWL half the week, so i like the option of getting decent items from bg's and the honor system. I wish there was such an option in daoc and we could be spared from doing toa, especially the hardmode i did.


-Finally, it's not as addictive as daoc, and the way i play it it doesn't demand as much time as daoc. If i was in a hardcore raid guild it would be different, but fortunately for me i am not. In daoc to do any significant progress in rvr you had to be in a gg and devote too much time in it. You can get a decent rank in wow without that, even if i must admit that the top ranks will never be reached by casuals, which was a possibility in daoc.

What i don't really like about it:

-The community. Most has been said in previous posts, if you have been to the Barrens general chat you will feel suicidal, but i must say it gets better at end game, even if it can't be compared to prydwen's community. I wouldn't say excal was so much better though. RP servers help a lot too, i play on a pvp and an rp server, the difference is big.

-Too dependant on server choice. If you play on a pve server with a large population imbalance, no matter which side you are on, you are screwed. BG's will never be open and if they are they will be imbalanced with huge queues, if the server pop is low you won't find people to raid etc etc. A bit like Prydwen when its pop got really low, but perhaps even worse when it comes to pvp. Even if Blizzard suggests otherwise, if you started the game now, choose a high pop-balanced server or you won't have the option to see 100% of the game. I chose such a server out of sheer luck and i enjoy the game much more than other people on other servers just because of that.

 

[Sinnica]

went back and forth between DAoC and WoW until 66000 items got lost on prydwen cba to renew to even check if any of my chars is stripped, GG GoA.
so only playing WoW now

 

[Heta]

I would like to only play with Sinnica

 

[Necroscope]

Played WoW since January (betas) to end of July. Skullcrusher server(PvP)

After done MC loads of times I just thought "what am I doin?" , this is not at all what I wanted. PvE galore and zergy BGs and a FPS style kind of BG.

PvP part in WoW was fine without the BGs, When BGs got on the venue all pvp in the outside world vanished and got replaced with a mindless zerg which rarely can be compared with an daoc zerg.

And someone wrote that PvE is more challenging in WoW. Maybe it is the first 2-3 times not after 20. Then its just like daoc can be , you know how to do stuff and do it ie. it become trivial task.

When coming back to daoc I went out with my SM solo , got steamrolled countless of times but still its was 100% more fun the WoW pvp ever can be if they dont do serious changes to the pvp system as a whole.

 

[Zebolt]

I tried WoW beta, and retail for about 3 months but after a month of lvl 60 epic/item hunting and PvPing I came back to DAoC basically cuz' I found the PvP in WoW really boring.

 

[Chrystina]

How many WoW players play WoW and read FH? :touch:

did you ever notice that FH is not DAoC exclusive? And behold! It even has it's own WoW forum as well! And and and.... City of Heroes forums! And Everquest 2! :worthy:

 

[Sendraks]

After done MC loads of times I just thought "what am I doin?" , this is not at all what I wanted.

Same for me. Admitably I didn't do MC that much, but I quickly came to realise that the time committment for the payoff involved was very poor. I really cba in doing the same damn instance, which isn't that exciting, every night of a week for months on end.

And there really didn't seem to be much point in doing PvE because...

PvP part in WoW was fine without the BGs, When BGs got on the venue all pvp in the outside world vanished and got replaced with a mindless zerg which rarely can be compared with an daoc zerg.

...yup, the battlegrounds utterly borked PvP on the server I was on. We went from having regular mass battles and smaller scale fights all across the server, to nothing at all. Alterac Valley lasted about a week and the WarSong Gulch Capture the Flag games were about as much fun as watching paint dry.

Without PvP to provide a diversion at the end game, there really didn't seem to be much point in acquiring better equipment or weapons. The drive to partake in MC raids evaporated quite quickly under that realisation.

Also WSG wasn't balanced at all. You couldn't guarantee what kind of opposition you'd get. You could be in a random group vs 10 players decked out in MC epcis who do nothing but play WoW (which happened quite often) or possibly another random group. In fairness terms, it was about as equitable as putting a group of RR2s versus RR10s in a game thats about as fun as DAoC crafting.

Crafting is pretty much the only aspect of WoW that is definitively better than the DAoC equivalent and thats not by much. All the DAoC crafts are useful, whereas some WoW crafts really had very limited use past level 40 or indeed next to no use at all,

Certainly kitting a character out for the early stages of play was a lot more enjoyable in WoW, but that was about it.

And someone wrote that PvE is more challenging in WoW. Maybe it is the first 2-3 times not after 20. Then its just like daoc can be , you know how to do stuff and do it ie. it become trivial task.

I find DAoC simply more engaging. There may be more to do in WoW PvE with all the faction farming, but it just never connected with me at all.

On a final note, either the community on Excal has had a major maturity overhaul between my leaving in Feb and returning last week, or the WoW community really is that BAD by comparison. I've been impressed by the friendliness and co-operation that I've experienced in the past few days.

Yes, there is still plenty of bitching and silliness here, but I've actually missed that. I've missed the embitted, utterly daft and yet oddly good natured discussions about "the most lame" players in Thid.

Ulimately it doesn't matter how good a game is, and WoW is good in many ways, but if the wider community isn't up to snuff its not worth playing. The illusion can only be maintained so long in the bubble of a friendly guild, before you realise there isn't much of worth outside of that.

 

[Graknak]

If the leveling wasn't so dull and monotone in DAoC it would be great to play again (oh and fix clerics as they suck arse solo ><) The RvR element of DAoC is still one of the better(if not the best) because it still requires more skill compared to WoW (where size and insanely rare items do matter more then skills alas).
Power Unlimited (Dutch games magazine) formulated it the best; WoW is great, but getting items is like going to a casino and continue playing untill ya hit that 0,001% chance on the jackpot. If ya don't have 39 other guildies or random ppl who'd join you you still won't get the good stuff and even if it drops ya gotta roll for it with 10 others of the same class and then theres the chance someone gets fed up and ninjas the loot (or tries too)
The only reason WoW remains my nr1 game is that it offers alot more for the casual player who gets on at 4 am and wants to play for about an hour or 2.
2 thumbs up for Blizzards quest system if ya ask me and not to mention the bonus xp for resting, that and most of the quest rewards are actually worth useing

Gr. Grak

 

[Shanaia]

18 months WoW pause? grats for the uber timemachine megameight!

I thought he/she/it was talking about daoc

not that you didn't realise that

 

[Chrystina]

I thought he/she/it was talking about daoc

not that you didn't realise that

assumption is the mother of all fuck-up's, so no worries happens to the best

 

[confused]

Went to WoW, got a mage to lvl 56, then realized B&W2 was coming out in about a month as of the end of my wow month sub. Therefore cancelled it, reopenned to DAOC account (being cheeper and better than wow's shitty pvp system) and am temporarily playing camlann pvp

 

[Airmid]

I love WoW, I think the graphics, the gameplay, the character development, the class flexibility and the crafting are all wonderful. The PvP however, sucks. Its just been tacked on the side almost as an afterthought. Because of this, the community suffers - there's no reason to work together if what you achieve is forgotten once you leave the instance, and there's nothing to aim for. I have recently come back to daoc, and although I can't stand the lag, the sloppy not-at-all-user-friendly gameplay, and the bland graphics, the RvR is exhilarating once again, and I'm getting that adrenaline rush that I missed. I will continue to play WoW and help my guild do MC, but I will come to DAoC for the RvR.

What I'm looking forwards to is the day that DAoC 2 comes out (hopefully in the guise of Warhammer Online) and has the excellent PvP system combined with the good gameplay found in other games.

 

[Morchaoron]

Power Unlimited (Dutch games magazine) formulated it the best; WoW is great, but getting items is like going to a casino and continue playing untill ya hit that 0,001% chance on the jackpot. If ya don't have 39 other guildies or random ppl who'd join you you still won't get the good stuff and even if it drops ya gotta roll for it with 10 others of the same class and then theres the chance someone gets fed up and ninjas the loot (or tries too)

Power Unlimited are a bunch of clueless bitches, there is a 0.001% chance on world drops yes, but that is NOT the main item farm and most are rather crappy purples too.
A molten core raid takes about 5 hours or less if mastered, and you get about 25 to 30 purple drops on that raid (+ 3-4 ragnaros uber epics), half of the stuff that drops is class specific too...

Also, SMART guilds will use a loot system (like in the old sidi raids we used to do) to distribute loot fairly, and unless the recruitment officer is a complete idiot you will never have a ninja in the guild either...

Our loot system works great, we use a 'dkp closed bidding' kind of system...

 

[Jobbegea]

stuck with daoc. but sometimes played my brothers warrior in wow abit.
Great graphics suits warcraft style ( i am warcraft fan), great atmosphere like the main capitals.

but its PVE PVE PVE PVE. so in the end its not my game.

yes daoc has lots of pve aswell like toa. but when i hear story's of WoW players finnally can get into Molten Core or higher dungeons to farm the bosses their (after months of exping to lvl60 + some epic quests) you still need best epic set that can take months.

I can TOA a char in 3 months (ml's + arty's) and its PvP rdy. ppl can do it much faster (we toa'd a blademaster in 3 weeks lvl50/ml10/arty's/sc)

but you like never done with PVE in wow. cause pve is the Goal in wow. there is a small bit of pvp, but that sucks donkey balls.


in short. The end game of daoc is much more my taste then pve grinding in WoW.

 

[Chronictank]

played wow to lvl 44 mage on my account,
played various lvl 60's in pvp (shaman is great fun for a little while)
got bored
back to daoc i came :x

i felt the WoW end game, well sucked.
There were no incentives for grp combat, and the open fields were just endless zergfests. PVE was easy, pvp moreso.
Most the good drops are bind on pickup, so people with relatively low playtimes get penalised since you cant buy them.

The only way to unlock your abilities is to do quests, which is fun to begin with but gets very tiresome when all you want to do is lvl and pvp.

wow is a pve game with pvp ducktaped to it.
Daoc is designed for pvp, and is implemented a hell of alot better.

 

[Saraden]

Played my priest to 60 in wow, farmed end game instances a bit, got bored, opened daoc, and i had a blast. Then few real life friends started new characters in wow and i joined them. Atm daoc's closed and i am enjoying playing wow with friends, but planning on opening daoc again once cluster comes.

So i suppose I'll play wow few months, then back to daoc, open wow again and so on.

 

[Ctuchik]

18 months WoW pause? grats for the uber timemachine megameight!

and he was STILL talking about DAoC not WoW
read the WHOLE thread "megameight"

 

[Lam]

After getting my paladin to 60 in WoW and doing a lot of instances gathering my class armour and other stuff I finally decided to give daoc a try again.
The nights I've been online again have been a blast really and daoc is once again fun to play for me.

I wouldn't say WoW isn't good enough but atm it just hasn't got enough end-game content to keep me busy and interested so in that way daoc wins from WoW for me.

 

[fionnel]

I think that what most people from daoc are doing wrong from reading this thread when they are playing wow is that they think the mc and bwl items are a must like the toa items were in daoc and try to get them at all costs. Reality is that the vast majority of people hardly have 1-2 epics, which are mostly crap and you don't need epics to compete like you needed toa items in daoc. Not because a group with epics won't kick your ass, but because the chance of fighting a bwl-equipped group is not that big and if you really hate fighting them, just /afk. Most of them rarely bother doing pvp anyway.
People don't understand that being the top in wow requires much more effort and hardcore gaming than in daoc (and a larger guild) but the game is designed in a way that you can enjoy it without being at the top, while daoc never felt like that to me.

Also, if you like pvp there is 0 reason to do any instance as the pvp equipment is pretty much equal to what you will get after farming stra/scholo/etc several times and the blue pvp set doesn't require huge amounts of time to get.

All in all most of the whine about the game comes from the difficulity of getting items but the truth is since the time most of the people here quit there have been many improvements concerning that with the addition of several dungeons, rewards for bg's and faction rewards which even if they aren't absolutely the best like bwl/mc items which do take insane amounts of time to farm, they still do the job fine.

 

[Sendraks]

Also, if you like pvp there is 0 reason to do any instance as the pvp equipment is pretty much equal to what you will get after farming stra/scholo/etc several times and the blue pvp set doesn't require huge amounts of time to get.

I really enjoyed PvP until they introduced the battlegrounds and PvP died in the dust. The BGs aren't fun and little more than honour farms for the hardcore players.

Without PvP, there really isn't any point in try to obtain items, what on earth the upgrades for? PvP faction farming is dull. High end instance farming is dull.

Part of the problem is that it isn't too hard to get a decent PvP or PvE set up for a character, but then you hit a ceiling and unless you are prepared to invest a STUPID amount of time in the game. You will remain stuck there. Playable and competitive yes, but without the capacity to progress a lot of the motivation to play goes out the window.

While high end RvR in DAoC is nails unless you're prepared to play a FOTM character, I never once felt that it was that difficult to upgrade my characters equipment even with the moderate amount of time I invest in the game.

 

[Shanaia]

and he was STILL talking about DAoC not WoW
read the WHOLE thread "megameight"

pwned

 

[peder]

ok friends i play boths games and i know. i knwo that is good to play and i thinks boty games good. but best it is camloats becoase you dont gets tires of its play.

1st of alls. wow dont have berseeerkz
2st of rest wow dpnt have fight for realms

ok thank

 

[Nakia]

Tried WoW, got a level 58 warlock, 46 priest, 52 druid and some lowbies. First of all; there was no challenges when leveling, it was always 1,1,1,1,4 rest 1,1,1,1,4 rest and so on, i was never close to dying and that made the game so boring

Second; The community was so bad, no one trusted each other, everyone was bitching everybody and i got sick and tired of it. It was like playing with 5 little kids trying to split a cake.

Third; PvP my a** omg that was the lamest system ever, sit in queue for 5 hours and spend 1 hour and then you didnt recieve honor points anymore cause you had already killed everyone in there 3 times!!, omfg i could shit myself, that was so bad. The flag zone was fun the first 3 times, but after that - just as boring as anything else.

Fourth; I didnt like the drop system, for mmorpgs i like to know if i need that ring i go kill the mob in that dungeon and i will have a chance of it dropping. WoW had the same system as Diablo 2, go around in the world kill random mobs and be lucky!! lol

WoW is a children game any kid above 5 can master the WoW playstyle - so boring!!! - so back to good old DAoC

 

[Fana]

Fourth; I didnt like the drop system, for mmorpgs i like to know if i need that ring i go kill the mob in that dungeon and i will have a chance of it dropping. WoW had the same system as Diablo 2, go around in the world kill random mobs and be lucky!! lol

No.

WoW works exactly as you say you want it to work - if you need a specific drop you go farm a specific mob in a specific instance or place in the world. The only things that drop at random are World Epics, which drop from about every 100000th mob killed or some such.

As for the rest of your post, you are exagerating alot - there are no 5 hour queues anymore (unless you are queueing for a bg noone plays). The new Battleground Holliday system should also do a fine job of dictating which BG people will play in, concentrating the numbers etc.
As for the community - you do get to know nice people as you play (unless you'r an asshole yourself i guess), and if your lucky you find a nice guild. I love the community im a part of in WoW. As for challenges when leveling - i find WoW PvE vastly superior to daoc PvE, and unless you stick to grinding neutral greencon mobs you will certainly die your fair share if thats what rock your boat.

 

[Morchaoron]

Fourth; I didnt like the drop system, for mmorpgs i like to know if i need that ring i go kill the mob in that dungeon and i will have a chance of it dropping. WoW had the same system as Diablo 2, go around in the world kill random mobs and be lucky!! lol

WoW is a children game any kid above 5 can master the WoW playstyle - so boring!!! - so back to good old DAoC

A children game but yet you cant even figure out how the drop system works ><

 

[Ormorof]

the fact that this is in the DAoC section might bias results abit?

i would still be playing WoW but uni proxy blocks it

people say it gets dull but youre just not getting the full experience of the game and are going at it too hard imo

im only lvl 42 and been playing since beta and still love it