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[Bugz]

Let's not get into wage disputes etc. with immigrants as there's so much more to it than you think.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Let's not get into wage disputes etc. with immigrants as there's so much more to it than you think.

Oh do tell me what.

I cant promise you my inferior brain will understand it, but i will try.

 

[Platin]

Where do you find thoose numbers? The year 2 000 we had 58 659 immigrants, while 34 091 sweds moved to other countries. With 100.000 a year we would be more than 9 million people here.

SCB:s database is your friend:
SCB-- - Urval: Befolkningsutvecklingen i riket. r

Number of immigrants 2008: 101171

And we are 9,2 million at the moment.

There's some more accurate statistics (asylum seekers, people from outside/inside of the EU etc.), but I'm a bit too lazy to find them at the moment. Your numbers show the immigrants, my numbers show their immigrated relatives too (which they are allowed to bring here once they have "PUT".

And without all our immigrants, alot of hospitals would be forced to close since we dont have enough swedish workers willing to educate themselves and take such a job.

First off - we wouldn't need as many hospitals in the first place, and second that's a modern myth. I think they are proportional to the amount that comes here within the healthcare system, but there's not research that give either of us right (wonder why).

Besides I'm not against EU-immigration, working-immigration and asylum-immigration (which is 3-5% of the current immigration), I'm just against massimmigration, which we have now.

And without immigrants we would still be a backwater country, i'm proud of my heritige, got wallons, kozak, german, scottish and saami ancestors, i'm swedish and proud, and know where i come from.

It's a logical fault that pro-mass-immigration people do, you see everything in black and white. It's not that simple, and I don't want to isolate Sweden in any way. Nor do I want to turn Sweden into Lebanon, you catch my drift?

Maybe we should take this discussion over pm instead

 

[Bugz]

Oh do tell me what.

I cant promise you my ignorant brain will understand it, but i will try.

Corrected it for you.

And I won't waste my words explaining for fear of them falling on deaf ears - do some history/economics.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Corrected it for you.

And I won't waste my words explaining for fear of them falling on deaf ears - do some history/economics.

So in other words, you got nothing?

 

[Bugz]

Yes that's it... -_-

I'm not wasting my breath on you Gorb. I'm still waiting for the world to end in 6 months!

 

[Gorbachioo]

Yes that's it... -_-

I'm not wasting my breath on you Gorb. I'm still waiting for the world to end in 6 months!

Its actually 2 months from now. I gave my prediction and im sticking to it. Im sure you have trouble understanding things you cant find in your school books.

Im still waiting for you to enlighten me oh great one.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes that's it... -_-

I'm not wasting my breath on you Gorb. I'm still waiting for the world to end in 6 months!

Less then two months away now!

Gorb, you're contradicting yourself.

You're saying we don't need immigrants, immigrants should go home, but at same time, we need some immigrants to do the shitty jobs but if they f*ck up at all, out they go.

That's slavery my good man.

Pure and simple, you're talking about using foreign workforce but give them less rights.

 

[Fafnir]

And i have to say i see no reason why sweden would be a backwater country without immigrants. Yes immigrants had their share in post war economic growth but thats it really...

Without the greeks, turks, finns, jugoslavs in the 60's, 70's we would not have the industry we got today. We would have more boring food selection without them, would only have blond girls to drool over. No hot sensual exotic dark beauties..

But i think we cannot take in everyone who wants to come, and we have to have a better control system on everyone in the country who try to cheat the socialsystem, i've had two mates who could work, but wanted to do what they felt like, so they live on our tax money the past 10 years, both swedish, i've stopped seeing them cause i hate what they done, i reported them, nothing happened.

And this is how many that left sweden,
Utvandrare efter tid
2008 45294

 

[Bugz]

Haha nvm.

Got better things to do.

 

[Fafnir]

But i agree we take in to many now days, but dont show how many or what kind of immigrants there are, one company i know utilize around 1000 indians that come here work for a few months, then go back home.

 

[Wonk]

I like how things works. Whenever a white man is criticizing another religion/culture, everyone thinks he's a racist. If it's the other way around, then it isn't a problem.

 

[Fafnir]

I like how things works. Whenever a white man is criticizing another religion/culture, everyone thinks he's a racist. If it's the other way around, then it isn't a problem.

Thats just because everyone is afraid of being called a racist, i've been called it lots when i tell kids, parents etc you cannot do that. But i could not care less about them calling me that. I've even been called a racist for doin my job. when i'm following the rules his own company has set up.

 

[Olgaline]

whats this about the world ending ?
why was i not informed?

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Immigration, like anything else is healthy for the country in moderation. That is the key word here - Moderation. Anything to excess is bad for you and this applies to countries too - look at the world economy for example as to why excess borrowing is bad.

It's truly horrific just how lax we are with our borders and controls (don't even get me started on kicking the illegal ones out).

And before any extreme liberal halfwit starts with the black & white argument again: I'm not talking about building a wall around the UK, nor am i talking about kicking people back to their own countries where torture/murder is a possibility.

And no I haven't read that in the daily mail, that's coming direct from people who work for the borders agency that i know. His exact words were "leaks like a sieve"...

 

[Platin]

Thats just because everyone is afraid of being called a racist, i've been called it lots when i tell kids, parents etc you cannot do that. But i could not care less about them calling me that. I've even been called a racist for doin my job. when i'm following the rules his own company has set up.

That word has lost it's meaning here, nowadays even icecreams are racist according to some retar...people. Everything has just gone too far, and I certainly hope something is done soon. I'd rather see us become like Denmark, than Norway. Funny thing is, in both Denmark and Norway politicians use Sweden as an example to scare their voters: "Look at Malmö - this is what happens if you don't vote for us". While in Sweden the leftists say: "Look at Denmark, uuuuuh they're like uuuuh stupid, and uuuh racist", always makes me giggle.

 

[Platin]

Immigration, like anything else is healthy for the country in moderation. That is the key word here - Moderation. Anything to excess is bad for you and this applies to countries too - look at the world economy for example as to why excess borrowing is bad.

It's truly horrific just how lax we are with our borders and controls (don't even get me started on kicking the illegal ones out).

And before any extreme liberal halfwit starts with the black & white argument again: I'm not talking about building a wall around the UK, nor am i talking about kicking people back to their own countries where torture/murder is a possibility.

And no I haven't read that in the daily mail, that's coming direct from people who work for the borders agency that i know. His exact words were "leaks like a sieve"...

Exactly. Pro-immigration people always wanna see everything in black and white, and that's just a cheap argument trick. It's like George Bush: "Either you're with us, or you're against us"!

 

[Fafnir]

Exactly. Pro-immigration people always wanna see everything in black and white, and that's just a cheap argument trick. It's like George Bush: "Either you're with us, or you're against us"!

So does the people against immigration.

I'm both against and for immigration, just at a limited scale, and more demanded of immigrants as they arrive.

And never forget all thoose highly educated people who come here but cant work cause they dont have the correct diplomas/papers.

And most of the SD people just need to get up off their arse and get a job.

and thoose who come here and get pension, and move back home should loose the pension. Think we have around 10000 people who is living in their home countries, after getting pension here. And not worked a single day here.

 

[Platin]

So does the people against immigration.

I'm both against and for immigration, just at a limited scale, and more demanded of immigrants as they arrive.

I agree.

And never forget all thoose highly educated people who come here but cant work cause they dont have the correct diplomas/papers.

Actually, Sweden has been pretty good at translating grades and so on, I think this is bit of a modern myth, which the socialdemocrats have been promoting to justify their policies. How many times haven't you heard Mona Sahlin point out how many cab-driving braindoctors and engineers that we have?

Plus there's also been cases of people with false diplomas that they bought from *fake universities*, most known cases in Sweden are "doctors", which have practised their own special kind of medicine that hurt people. For example the polish doctor:

Fyra nya falska läkare avslöjade | Nyheter | Aftonbladet

I think there's another known case of an egyptian doctor which circumcised a little boy without anesthetics, he cut too deep and almost castrated the boy.

A friend of mine is doing his thesis on working law in Sweden at the moment, and he's been going through cases. He came across one case of which there was an african engineer (woman) who was employed by Ericsson, who was laid off. Apearantly she had had one working task when she started, however she wasn't capable of doing a very good job for some reason, so they replaced her to another job, which she couldn't do, so they replaced her again with a simpler job, which she couldn't do and so on. They obviously realised they had been tricked, she wasn't an engineer. So they laid her off, but she took them to court, meaning they had no grounds for doing that. Ericsson eventually won that case.

So it's not always simple, and everything the politicians tell you isn't true

And most of the SD people just need to get up off their arse and get a job.

Allright.

and thoose who come here and get pension, and move back home should loose the pension. Think we have around 10000 people who is living in their home countries, after getting pension here. And not worked a single day here.

Yes, bugs me too.

 

[Raven]

I will say what I always say, if you want to work and to fit in (you don't need to lose your cultural identity to fit in) then its fine by me. If you are a work shy scrounger then you should fuck off on the first boat out and that counts for the native British scummers too.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Less then two months away now!

Gorb, you're contradicting yourself.

You're saying we don't need immigrants, immigrants should go home, but at same time, we need some immigrants to do the shitty jobs but if they f*ck up at all, out they go.

That's slavery my good man.

Pure and simple, you're talking about using foreign workforce but give them less rights.

Thats right. Thats exactly what im saying. Good job!

 

[Vintersorg]

I will say what I always say, if you want to work and to fit in (you don't need to lose your cultural identity to fit in) then its fine by me. If you are a work shy scrounger then you should fuck off on the first boat out and that counts for the native British scummers too.

This man speaks the truth.
That's where the problem lies in many cases.
Those good Muslims, the ones who do work and who do tend to fit in, are stigmatized because of the assholes who don't.
What I've also noticed where I live, is that the older ones tend to have worked (very hard, I might add) and have generally not caused trouble.
But it's those younger generations who screw it up. They're born here and have seen our culture and try to integrate it in theirs. And they are the ones who tend to feel superior over the autochtonous population (and say things like "we don't have to follow your laws...in 20 years we'll be the majority here, and you'll do as WE say" (I've heard some of them say it) ). Again, they're probably not the majority, but they're the most vocal ones.
Yesterday, I took the tram for example. In the station, there are obvious signs there that you can't smoke their and you're not allowed to play music there. Everybody there respected that. Then, two young arabs walk in. They light a cigarette, and start playing some irritating Arab music on their cellphones. ANd when somebody told them it was not allowed, they quite simply said "fuck off". And that's the kind of behaviour that causes our local population to start disliking them.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

then you should fuck off on the first boat out and that counts for the native British scummers too.

We're going to need a bigger boat...

 

[old.Tohtori]

Thats right. Thats exactly what im saying. Good job!

That IS what you're saying.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

You want only controlled immigration. Check.
You want them all to work menial jobs. Check.
You want their paychecks to be smaller 'cause the jobs don't matter. Check.
You want to keep a close eye on them. Check.
You want EVERYTHING they do reported. Check.
You want ANY troublemakers deported. check.

Here's your whip sir.

 

[Gorbachioo]

That IS what you're saying.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

You want only controlled immigration. Check.
You want them all to work menial jobs. Check.
You want their paychecks to be smaller 'cause the jobs don't matter. Check.
You want to keep a close eye on them. Check.
You want EVERYTHING they do reported. Check.
You want ANY troublemakers deported. check.

Here's your whip sir.

Again great job!

 

[old.Tohtori]

If you can't argue against it and show how i'm wrong or how you didn't say that, do so.

Otherwise, you're a slave supporting person.

 

[Lethul]

That IS what you're saying.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

You want only controlled immigration. Check.
You want them all to work menial jobs. Check.
You want their paychecks to be smaller 'cause the jobs don't matter. Check.
You want to keep a close eye on them. Check.
You want EVERYTHING they do reported. Check.
You want ANY troublemakers deported. check.

Here's your whip sir.

Your interpretation skills is really below the average chimp skill :lol:

 

[old.Tohtori]

EDIT: On second thought, nevermind. I'll drop off this discussion.

 

[Gorbachioo]

EDIT: On second thought, nevermind. I'll drop off this discussion.

I thought so. After that performance it would be hard for you to continue.

 

[Lethul]

I've got to agree with this scientist's views.
I'm living in the periphery of Brussels. Some of the towns integrated by Brussels are full of Muslims (Schaerbeek for example, has about 70% Muslims). When you enter in those parts of town as an European, they look at you strangely (and generally with strong dislike) in their eyes, or you get insulted because you don't belong there.
Hell, in some sides of Molenbeek, the Police doesn't dare to come out of their cars, because they are afraid of the local Muslim populace
There are parts of Brussels full with Chinese, black people, Polish, Russians, etc... There are troubles with none of them.
But those Muslim Arabs cause trouble most of the time...Ironically, the non-Muslim Arabs cause far less trouble
I'm not a racist, and I don't have a problem with Oriental People (my wife being Assyrian), but I do seriously distrust anything that has got to do with Islam.

I agree with you I have to say. I never had any problems with Muslims etc where I lived before, and nor did I understand how people could have problems just because they were Muslims! Then I moved to study and I ended up in a neighborhood with a majority of Muslims. And I must confess i have become a bit more racist since that day. I still have a lot of muslim/immigrant friends, the difference is that they are behaving and have integrated well.

When i come home from the pub late at nights here i regularly see Muslim kids trashing the buss stops. Lighting stuff on fire etc, even a fair few fights. I never see that when i go through other neighborhoods (ok, fights i see outside clubs by drunken people )

We really should stop accepting more immigrants until we got the immigrants we have now sorted. They are a problem, but people don't understand that until they live next to them. When you live in your nice upper class home you can preach all you want that everyone is as likely to do crimes etc, but when you get closer you see that that is not the case.

(maybe i explained it badly here but, eh )