Danish Psychologist: “Integration of Muslims in Western Societies is not possible”

[Gorbachioo]

Danish Psychologist: ?Integration of Muslims in Western Societies is not possible? | EuropeNews


So does he have a point? Should we stop taking muslims in?

 

[CorNokZ]

We sure do have a problem, with some muslims here in Copenhagen.. Those I go to uni with are just fine

Others are fucking pricks and should be send back imo along with their parents who has failed at rasing them

 

[Lamp]

I think the guy's talking out of his arse. Sure there are SOME Muslims that are trouble-makers. But this doesn't mean all Muslims are impossible to integrate into western society. Yet another example of xenohpobic ignorance.

 

[Overdriven]

ZOMGSPLOSION.

*Nod*

 

[CorNokZ]

I think the guy's talking out of his arse. Sure there are SOME Muslims that are trouble-makers. But this doesn't mean all Muslims are impossible to integrate into western society. Yet another example of xenohpobic ignorance.

You have chavs, we have muslims.. I'm not kidding

They are by far the worst here in Copenhagen, when it comes to crime

 

[Gorbachioo]

I think the guy's talking out of his arse. Sure there are SOME Muslims that are trouble-makers. But this doesn't mean all Muslims are impossible to integrate into western society. Yet another example of xenohpobic ignorance.

I dont think hes xenophobic. I think hes a scientist whos sharing his views. Views which i, atleast partially, share. Muslims dont integrate very well. Some, probably even the majority, do. But, as the article pointed out, if 25% have criminal records thats not just "some muslims".

 

[crispy]

I dont think hes xenophobic. I think hes a scientist whos sharing his views. Views which i, atleast partially, share. Muslims dont integrate very well. Some, probably even the majority, do. But, as the article pointed out, if 25% have criminal records thats not just "some muslims".

So do you think its because they are muslim that 25% of them have criminal records, or because they are another skin color, or because they all happen to be thrown into the same community? Or fourth pool option: Laddey trained them?

 

[CorNokZ]

Your sig is fail crispy

 

[Olgaline]

Right, because this is clearly a religion issue!?
/..plants head on table!

wow they found a danish guy willing to say this, really!?
wonder if this had been news if he was say norwegien..

I bet you the book is full of social stereo types, and it must be the fact that they are muslims, and not the fact that most muslims in denmark live generally in low income areas and ghettos, most come from historic fugetive back grounds ect and so on...No! it must be that theya re muslims!

Really!?

cultural ? sure, middel eastern ? sure, but muslim...really? Really!?!?

sod it cba*

this is jsut as retared as blaming Denmark in general or say Anders fogh for the muhammed pics.
I can Understand why a muslim would be offended, but then be mad at the sorce "that would be the news paper that printed it" yet amazingly...well...you get the general point, oh and i dont even like Anders fjøh!

 

[Gorbachioo]

So do you think its because they are muslim that 25% of them have criminal records, or because they are another skin color, or because they all happen to be thrown into the same community? Or fourth pool option: Laddey trained them?

Alot of Europeans are thrown in to the same communities. They turn out just fine. I dont see your point. As for the skin color thing, blaming this on racism is just sooooo old.

Right, because this is clearly a religion issue!?
/..plants head on table!

wow they found a danish guy willing to say this, really!?
wonder if this had been news if he was say norwegien..

I bet you the book is full of social stereo types, and it must be the fact that they are muslims, and not the fact that most muslims in denmark live generally in low income areas and ghettos, most come from historic fugetive back grounds ect and so on...No! it must be that theya re muslims!

Really!?

cultural ? sure, middel eastern ? sure, but muslim...really? Really!?!?

sod it cba*

this is jsut as retared as blaming Denmark in general or say Anders fogh for the muhammed pics.
I can Understand why a muslim would be offended, but then be mad at the sorce "that would be the news paper that printed it" yet amazingly...well...you get the general point, oh and i dont even like Anders fjøh!

Where does culture end and religion begin? In most muslim countries religion is a big part of culture (which is not the case in the west) so i think its pointless to ask whether its a cultural or a religious thing. The point is: No matter what the reason, they still dont integrate.

We should not compare them with white people. We should compare them with other immigrants. And the fact is that muslims are always on the top spots when it comes to crime/unemployment etc.

 

[Olgaline]

White poeple can be muslim to!! blacks too, hell even Aisians!
but you just prooved my damn point, so thank you

You are talking, and he is likely talking about Imigrant Arabs, " and to some extent Somalians probebly"
and if that's the case, well then sure lets have a discussion about imigrant Arabs.

 

[Gorbachioo]

White poeple can be muslim to!! blacks too, hell even Aisians!
but you just prooved my damn point, so thank you

You are talking, and hb is likely talking about Imigrant Arabs, " and to some extent Somalians probebly"
and if that's the case, well then sure lets have a discussion about imigrant Arabs.

So let me get this straight.

Its ok to blame ETHNIC groups but blaming religion is a no no? Islam has nothing to do with it?

Im not saying its all about Islam. Im sure arab/african culture plays a big part in it too BUT Islam is the combining factor. Iranians, Somalis and Iraqis share the exact same problems even though their only link is Islam.

Anyways, i'll say it again: I dont give a shit is it culture or religion. I just want people to get real about this massive muslim/arab (whatever you want to call it) problem.

 

[Olgaline]

Its ok to blame ETHNIC groups but blaming religion is a no no? Islam has nothing to do with it?

I never said it was ok now did I ?

Im not saying its all about Islam. Im sure arab/african culture plays a big part in it too BUT Islam is the combining factor. Iranians, Somalis and Iraqis share the exact same problems even though their only link is Islam.

or the combining factor is that they are imigrants from war raven opresive and generally unstable regions ? "just an example"

I'm just seriously tired of seeing bs like this:

We should not compare them with white people. We should compare them with other immigrants. And the fact is that muslims are always on the top spots when it comes to crime/unemployment etc.

 

[crispy]

So let me get this straight.

Its ok to blame ETHNIC groups but blaming religion is a no no? Islam has nothing to do with it?

Im not saying its all about Islam. Im sure arab/african culture plays a big part in it too BUT Islam is the combining factor. Iranians, Somalis and Iraqis share the exact same problems even though their only link is Islam.

Hows 'war torn countries' for a combining factor?

The problem is not blaming religion, I really don't care. Blame it all you want, its some silly concept to me anyways, but saying its BECAUSE they are muslims is even more silly. Many of these problems is traced back to bad parenting, which often is explained by the fact that they were refugees from war, which probably is something that makes you feel a little depressed.

 

[Olgaline]

lets see,

how can we spell this out for you so you might comprehend it.
if you want to discuss why 2'nd and 3'rd world imigrants seem to have problems intergrating into western society, then sure, lets do so.

But declaring that it's due to them being Muslim is well, retarded at best, people from these regions will have difficulties, no matter what their reliouse belief might be.

 

[Gorbachioo]

I never said it was ok now did I ?

"cultural ? sure, middel eastern ? sure, but muslim...really? Really!?!?"

Sure looks like it to me.

or the combining factor is that they are imigrants from war raven opresive and generally unstable regions ? "just an example"

I'm just seriously tired of seeing bs like this:

Is Iran war raven or oppressive? And that argument is flawed anyway. First generation immigrants may have psychological problems from their home countries but their children grow up in safety. Yet the problems remain.

The last comment: Maybe you misunderstood me. What i meant was that theres always problems with immigration so one group of immigrants should not be compared with the natives because they will always loose. Instead they should be compared with other immigrant groups. I dont see how that is bs.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Hows 'war torn countries' for a combining factor?

The problem is not blaming religion, I really don't care. Blame it all you want, its some silly concept to me anyways, but saying its BECAUSE they are muslims is even more silly. Many of these problems is traced back to bad parenting, which often is explained by the fact that they were refugees from war, which probably is something that makes you feel a little depressed.

Not good enough. Turkey and Iran are on the list. They are neither war torn or oppressive. (on a global scale anyway)

lets see,

how can we spell this out for you so you might comprehend it.
if you want to discuss why 2'nd and 3'rd world imigrants seem to have problems intergrating into western society, then sure, lets do so.

But declaring that it's due to them being Muslim is well, retarded at best, people from these regions will have difficulties, no matter what their reliouse belief might be.

Ever heard anyone complain about indian immigrants? Or chinese? I can honestly say i never have. Not exactly rich countries are they?

Muslims are at the top of the list when it comes to crime rates therefore it is reasonable to assume that Islam (or the culture that goes with it, can we please just drop this already?) has something to do with it.

 

[Olgaline]

read whats being said, and in it's context, not what you want it to be,
I said could it be cultural sure, could it be geografical, sure , I actually never said that any where to blame, or did that slip your comprihension ?


you need to look at things in their entirety,

so here's a break down,
Statement 1: young European muslims commint more crimes due to thier choice of religion.
Statement 2: young muslims commint more crimes due to social circumstances.

now wich would you deduct to be the most likely ?

 

[Olgaline]

you dont think Iran is opressive ? heh oookay!
yup real beakens on the whole human right things, they both are

and yes I have, plenty.
I've also heard plenty complain about white imigrants in other parts of the world..whoot? go figure!

 

[Raven]

Not good enough. Turkey and Iran are on the list. They are neither war torn or oppressive. (on a global scale anyway)



Ever heard anyone complain about indian immigrants? Or chinese? I can honestly say i never have. Not exactly rich countries are they?

Muslims are at the top of the list when it comes to crime rates therefore it is reasonable to assume that Islam (or the culture that goes with it, can we please just drop this already?) has something to do with it.

Its the fags and Jews innit?

 

[Olgaline]

lol

 

[Lamp]

I dont think hes xenophobic. I think hes a scientist whos sharing his views. Views which i, atleast partially, share. Muslims dont integrate very well. Some, probably even the majority, do. But, as the article pointed out, if 25% have criminal records thats not just "some muslims".

Yes but his view are based on a small number of people. You can't take a small number of trouble makers and tar 300,000,000 people with the same brush.

You contradict yourself in the same sentence. Quote: Muslims don't integrate very well. Thats incorrect and borderline racist. Then you say "some probably even the majority do". I don't think you are clear what your own view are.

I have muslims living across the road from me. A nice family. They work hard, are law abiding, and pay their taxes. They seem integrated to me. I work with a LOAD of muslims. Same again. I am friends with quite a lot. Again, no problems.

Most Moslems can and do integrate. What about other ethnic groups and religions?

I stand by what I say 100%. Just because there's a problem with a few people in Copenhagen doesn't mean the entire population of them can't integrate.

 

[Olgaline]

that's often the problem tho lamp,
often people draw a = between being Arab and being Muslim
now wtf does he mean by that? Olga you fat fuck are you racist ?
no I'm not, but think about it, it'll make sence...

They meat a white guy who happens to be muslim, they jsut dont know it , "no problem!"
They meat an Arab, they take for granted his muslim and presto "you muslim Fuck!"

He might be christian, he might not even be arab, hell he could be greek,

 

[Gorbachioo]

you dont think Iran is opressive ? heh oookay!
yup real beakens on the whole human right things, they both are

and yes I have, plenty.
I've also heard plenty complain about white imigrants in other parts of the world..whoot? go figure!

No Iran is not oppressive. Neither is Turkey. Atleast no more than China. And chinese immigrants dont cause problems like this.

I already said that immigration always brings conflict. No matter whos moving where. But we have to ask why is it that its always the muslims causing the most trouble.

Yes but his view are based on a small number of people. You can't take a small number of trouble makers and tar 300,000,000 people with the same brush.

You contradict yourself in the same sentence. Quote: Muslims don't integrate very well. Thats incorrect and borderline racist. Then you say "some probably even the majority do". I don't think you are clear what your own view are.

Its not a "small number" of people. The article says: "one fourth of all young male Muslims in Denmark have a criminal record." This alone justifies saying that muslims dont integrate very well. And there sure as hell aint nothing racist about saying that.

I have muslims living across the road from me. A nice family. They work hard, are law abiding, and pay their taxes. They seem integrated to me. I work with a LOAD of muslims. Same again. I am friends with quite a lot. Again, no problems.

Most Moslems can and do integrate. What about other ethnic groups and religions?

I stand by what I say 100%. Just because there's a problem with a few people in Copenhagen doesn't mean the entire population of them can't integrate.

Do you understand what he means when says that integration of muslims is not possible? Hes not saying that there is not a single law abiding tax paying muslim out there. What hes saying is that there are too many muslims out there who are not law abiding and tax paying and that nobody knows how to fix that.

 

[Olgaline]

so here's the question,
do you actually belive that it's due to them being muslim

it's a simple question Yes or No

 

[BloodOmen]

What, no reply and defence from Chronic yet? what is this shit.


As for the danish geeza I agree to an extent but not fully.

 

[Gorbachioo]

so here's the question,
do you actually belive that it's due to them being muslim

it's a simple question Yes or No

You know very well its not a simple question.

What is Islam and what is arab culture? What is this true Islam that doesnt seem to excist anywhere but is always reminded off when some looney blows himself up?

The best answer i can give you is that its a mixture of arab culture and Islam.

 

[Olgaline]

actually it was that simple, but I'll leave you to the likes of chronic, I usually dont get involved in these threads, I just basicly dislike the term Muslim thrown around as if it was a "bad" word or something to be afraid off. social segregation is more than often the true crook, brought on by many factors one of wich is intolerance and ignorance"on both sides of the fence" I get just as anoyed listenning to some random guy bitching that Anders fogh is a Jew and hates all Muslims, ect and so on. "yes

I'll leave you with this thought though, How Religiouse do you think most of these young "muslims" really are ? the answer might suprise you, and so if Islam isnt to blame, then what actually is ?

 

[Gorbachioo]

actually it was that simple, but I'll leave you to the likes of chronic, I usually dont get involved in these threads, I just basicly dislike the term Muslim thrown around as if it was a "bad" word or something to be afraid off. social segregation is more than often the true crook, brought on by many factors one of wich is intolerance and ignorance"on both sides of the fence" I get just as anoyed listenning to some random guy bitching that Anders fogh is a Jew and hates all Muslims, ect and so on. "yes

I'll leave you with this thought though, How Religiouse do you think most of these young "muslims" really are ? the answer might suprise you, and so if Islam isnt to blame, then what actually is ?

Their culture...? Which is heavily influenced by Islam... ;o

 

[Olgaline]

right now we'r getting somewhere,so do you belive, that if took the same group of people,
and not stick them into ghetto's and the low levels of society, they'd still end up in unemployed and in prison ?

or

is it becuase we in the western society did a shitty job of integrating the refugees we got from the midle east and somallia ?
also did we take in far more than we could effectively integrate ? and was it a bad idea to alocate them into ghettos ?

See If Islamic/midle eastern Cultur "wich yes, is heavilly influenced by islam" is the root of the problem, well then,
social class, income and education would all be irrellevent. so if you can proove to me, that this is an issue despite class, location and education,
if you can isolate Islamic/midle eastern cultur as the Only! common denominator. then I'll review my opinion, but well, lets say i dout that'll happen.