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Notice that the excess deaths graph has been growing steadily under Tory rule since 2010, when it's been steadily declining since the 1960's.
Well the old Mum, got her second shot today.
Completely weird considering the government going with the strategy of 12 weeks apart to vaccinate more of the population. Another point to note is that my Step Dad in his 70s and considered in an at risk group due to him recovering from the Big C a number of years ago is yet to be asked for his first jab
On one hand, excess deaths are at their highest since World War Two, while on the other, death rates, once age and size of population are taken into account, are at their worst level for a little over a decade 'only'
So Whittys bigging up a severe lockdown.
Once a week outing, no talking in public etc, banding numbers like 30K in hospital with covid compared to 18K at April peak.
But thats 'with' covid, not rushed to hospital with breathing problems and the massive increase in testing is bound to increase that number.
Anyway the Mail started predicting yesterday and now its looking more likely, they are rarely wrong about these kinds of government decisions, so I think were looking at practically martial law over the next few weeks if numbers dont start dropping.
Wow, holy misleading reporting Batman! Highest since WW2 on an absolute level yes, but considering the growth in population since then, entirely irrelevant. It's mentioned a bit further down the page:
So about where we were before the flu vaccines got rolled out. If you also dig a little bit deeper into the ONS report as well, you see there are a significant amount of non-COVID excess deaths - up to around 35k, which are the collateral damage from lockdown. Guessing they don't count tho.
Bad yes. Unprecedented? Not in the slightest. Apart from the lockdown deaths of course, but that happens when you focus Public Health on one thing.
Yes misleading. But they are obviously under some level trying to find real things to show the public how bad this is to get them to stay inside and stop bending and breaking the rules. That seems to be the nudge theory way of doing things to counter act the deniers etc.Wow, holy misleading reporting Batman! Highest since WW2 on an absolute level yes, but considering the growth in population since then, entirely irrelevant. It's mentioned a bit further down the page:
So about where we were before the flu vaccines got rolled out. If you also dig a little bit deeper into the ONS report as well, you see there are a significant amount of non-COVID excess deaths - up to around 35k, which are the collateral damage from lockdown. Guessing they don't count tho.
Bad yes. Unprecedented? Not in the slightest. Apart from the lockdown deaths of course, but that happens when you focus Public Health on one thing.
Yes misleading. But they are obviously under some level trying to find real things to show the public how bad this is to get them to stay inside and stop bending and breaking the rules. That seems to be the nudge theory way of doing things to counter act the deniers etc.
Im not blaming anyone. The virus is a natural thing that happens.I shall point you again to the BMJ article I linked to - written by members of SAGE - on why blaming the outbreak on rule breakers is an incredibly dodgy road to go down, especially as adherance is over 90%. I would suggest that if your strategy relies upon 100% compliance of 66 million people, it's a shit strategy and is doomed to fail. Also, considering the number of outbreaks in care homes and nosocomial infections in hospital, who we blaming for those then?
I blame the virus personally, but YMMV.
Since 2000, but only up to 2018. What point do you think you're making here?Heres the annual death rate since 2000, I presume thats the whole of the UK because for some bizarre reason they keep including and excluding various countries, to just muddy the waters I suppose.
Then complain that theres fake news on social media, oh that stat doesnt include Scotland and that ones England Wales only.
The term UK seems very flexible atm if you work in death stats.
UK annual number of deaths 2021 | Statista
There were 667,479 deaths in the United Kingdom in 2021, compared with 689,629 in 2020.www.statista.com
I shall point you again to the BMJ article I linked to - written by members of SAGE - on why blaming the outbreak on rule breakers is an incredibly dodgy road to go down, especially as adherance is over 90%. I would suggest that if your strategy relies upon 100% compliance of 66 million people, it's a shit strategy and is doomed to fail. Also, considering the number of outbreaks in care homes and nosocomial infections in hospital, who we blaming for those then?
I blame the virus personally, but YMMV.
I think its unfair to compare the death rates of Covid and previous Flu outbreaks as we have never done a country wide lockdown before. To compare the effects just look at how few standard Flu Deaths we had last year as a result of the lockdown.
I feel very much for this couple but right now they are technically in breach of the rules.
Went to see their 94 year old mum who's in a care home, stood in a car park and talked to her through the window.
However, the mum won't be part of their "support bubble" because technically she's being supported in the care home. By law that means there's no exception for them.
Add to that - care homes are a high risk - from viruses being brought in, and for viruses being taken away.
So, yeah, technically I think it's correct. But very hard
Edit: Once they'd been vaccinated properly and time had passed to enable the vaccine to work for them I'd be very tempted to break that rule though.
I blame the virus too, but there have been some pretty fucking glaring issues, lack of mandatory masks outdoors at all times is the main one. Poor compliance is another, but certainly less than the first. Xmas was a shambles, I understand what the govt was trying to do, but it gradually turning into another 'sending the old folks home from hospital'.
For every SAGE member there is an equal (maybe more) and opposite number that disagrees, yes, its the best we have right now but it isnt the be all and end all. People need to take responsibility for their own actions.
The common denominator in this pandemic is that this virus is spread from human to human. So blaming something else for the rise in infection rates is daft.
As for care homes, hospitals were told to brace for a huge influx of infected cv19 people and it made sense to get the elderly and frail out of hospitals fast and thats what they did. Alas, that had a pretty horrendous outcome as we all know because it was too late by then. You can blame the virus on that.
I feel very much for this couple but right now they are technically in breach of the rules.
Went to see their 94 year old mum who's in a care home, stood in a car park and talked to her through the window.
However, the mum won't be part of their "support bubble" because technically she's being supported in the care home. By law that means there's no exception for them.
Add to that - care homes are a high risk - from viruses being brought in, and for viruses being taken away.
So, yeah, technically I think it's correct. But very hard
Edit: Once they'd been vaccinated properly and time had passed to enable the vaccine to work for them I'd be very tempted to break that rule though.
Nope. It takes time for the body to develop an immune response.The vaccination has an almost immediate affect
This it gets greater over time. Building up. So you are more likely to get the virus the closer to the vaccine date you get exposed.Nope. It takes time for the body to develop an immune response.
Vaccines don't protect you. Your immune system protects you. All vaccines do is provoke an immune response that the body can repeat if it comes across the real thing.