Politics Coronavirus

[MYstIC G]

1) Nobody is getting tested.
2) If you were, and you were clear, you still stay indoors.

So how is there any point in doing any of that over and above just you stay indoors

 

[Deebs]

View: https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1245703952173338625

@Deebs - we're not testing pre OR post OR NHS staff properly.

Testing in the UK is pretty much a fantasy scenario atm, which is the worst of all worlds.

Unlike South Korea, who nailed it.


Social distancing is largely being followed as far as I'm aware. But are we going to keep that up until the Autumn or beyond, like government reports have stated, or should we lock people down hard, test and contact-trace?

Yes, social distancing will work short term. But there will be no long-term substitute to proper testing.

Or we'll fail, lots will die... IMO.

No, testing if I have the virus right now will do fuckall for the general population. It should only be done for the key workers/health/care etc and it needs to be every day.

Look at this twitter and read the comments, a professor in Germany stating that regardless of the amount of their testing things won't be much different.

Long term testing is the anti-body test which is the only test worth doing on anyone who may have or did have symptons as it allows them to get back to work etc.

South Korea was the only country to do the mass testing from the get it. Every other country got it wrong and cannot go back.

Social distancing is not being followed, I live in Hampshire, it is either 1st or 2nd in England for most confirmed cases of Covid-19. I popped out to get bread, saw two neighbours talking over a brickwall less than 2ft apart. Went into a shop, luckily not many people but still people came within 2 metres of me (I was picking stuff from shelf) and I had to tell them to get back.

 

[Scouse]

So how is there any point in doing any of that over and above just you stay indoors

Because you can contact-trace those who test positive without it being an unmanageable shitshow.

Test. Trace. Limit spread through social distancing so your testing isn't a pile of shit.

Like worked in south korea.

 

[Deebs]

1) Nobody is getting tested.
2) If you were, and you were clear, you still stay indoors.

What, are you hugging everyone you meet? Or are you keeping 2m from any passerby, keeping your contact points to a minimum and ensuring you wash your hands after shopping?

I do all of that but as per my previous message others do not. I am a key worker but could be called into the office and pick up the virus. That means I cannot stay indoors. I also need to shop.

 

[Deebs]

1) Nobody is getting tested.
2) If you were, and you were clear, you still stay indoors.

What, are you hugging everyone you meet? Or are you keeping 2m from any passerby, keeping your contact points to a minimum and ensuring you wash your hands after shopping?

See you spread misinformation.

You said "Nobody is getting tested". That is a blatant lie. People ARE getting tested, just not in the numbers that the hysterical and MSM want. Stop spreading bullshit.

 

[Wij]

See you spread misinformation.

You said "Nobody is getting tested". That is a blatant lie. People ARE getting tested, just not in the numbers that the hysterical and MSM want. Stop spreading bullshit.

The numbers in the NHS ARE pitiful though and that matters.

 

[Scouse]

Social distancing is not being followed, I live in Hampshire, it is either 1st or 2nd in England for most confirmed cases of Covid-19. I popped out to get bread, saw two neighbours talking over a brickwall less than 2ft apart. Went into a shop, luckily not many people but still people came within 2 metres of me (I was picking stuff from shelf) and I had to tell them to get back.

WTF you doing popping out to get bread tbpfh.

Shop every two weeks. It's the touching of surfaces, then your mouth and eyes, which is the biggie.

Cashpoints and shops (people picking up produce then putting it back, for example).

Yeah, airborne, if people are coughing. But shared surfaces are where it's at.

 

[Deebs]

The numbers in the NHS ARE pitiful though and that matters.

Agreed but saying "Nobody is getting tested" is spreading misinformation and should not be happening.

 

[Deebs]

WTF you doing popping out to get bread tbpfh.

Shop every two weeks. It's the touching of surfaces, then your mouth and eyes, which is the biggie.

Cashpoints and shops (people picking up produce then putting it back, for example).

Yeah, airborne, if people are coughing. But shared surfaces are where it's at.

FUCKING HELL. How do you know today was not my 2 week shop?

 

[Scouse]

See you spread misinformation.

You said "Nobody is getting tested". That is a blatant lie. People ARE getting tested, just not in the numbers that the hysterical and MSM want. Stop spreading bullshit.

They're not.

Miniscule numbers of NHS staff have been tested. Miniscule.

Not general public. Front line workers.

It's a disgrace.

 

[Scouse]

FUCKING HELL. How do you know today was not my 2 week shop?

Was it?

Don't be so touchy.

 

[Scouse]

2000 out of half a million front line staff.

That qualifies as nobody.

Testing is a fantasy in our backwards-ass country

 

[Deebs]

They're not.

Miniscule numbers of NHS staff have been tested. Miniscule.

Not general public. Front line workers.

It's a disgrace.

You said nobody which is factually incorrect

 

[Deebs]

Was it?

Don't be so touchy.

Sorry, everyone is a little worked up. Not my 2 week shop but I needed bread and milk (it had gone off). There is a but though, if the shop is busy I do not go in. Period. I go back home and try another time.

 

[Scouse]

You said nobody which is factually incorrect

2000 out of 500,000 is 0.004%.

You round that up to 0%.

0% is "nobody"

 

[Deebs]

2000 out of half a million front line staff.

That qualifies as nobody.

Testing is a fantasy in our backwards-ass country

You sound like @Job. Let me ask you, is 1 > 0?

 

[Deebs]

2000 out of 500,000 is 0.004%.

You round that up to 0%.

0% is "nobody"

They are testing more than 2000 people a day. Don't just turn it around to the NHS which has more than 500,000 workers.

 

[Scouse]

They are testing more than 2000 people a day. Don't just turn it around to the NHS which has more than 500,000 workers.

No.

They've tested 2000 frontline NHS staff so far.

If they were doing 2000 people a day then they only started today.

I stand by "nobody" and "the UK is a disgrace" - because it's a true and accurate picture of reality.

 

[DaGaffer]

WTF you doing popping out to get bread tbpfh.

Shop every two weeks. It's the touching of surfaces, then your mouth and eyes, which is the biggie.

Cashpoints and shops (people picking up produce then putting it back, for example).

Yeah, airborne, if people are coughing. But shared surfaces are where it's at.

Generally speaking people aren't picking things up and putting them back, and the supermarkets have pretty much taken loose fruit and veg and baked goods off the shelves and packaged them for this very reason. And in my local supermarket everyone is given disposable gloves and sanitiser at the door. Supermarkets are manageable if sensible precautions are taken and some people are going to have to visit them because there simply isn't enough capacity in the online delivery fleets to deliver to 24m households even every two weeks.

 

[Deebs]

No.

They've tested 2000 people so far.

If they were doing 2000 people a day then they only started today.

I stand by "nobody" and "the UK is a disgrace" - because it's a true and accurate picture of reality.

Seriously? You believe that the UK Government has only test 2000 people in total so far since the start of this virus outbreak?

 

[Scouse]

Seriously? You believe that the UK Government has only test 2000 people in total so far since the start of this virus outbreak?

See amendment - posts coming faster than I can type.

Tell me that's not a joke.

 

[Scouse]

Generally speaking people aren't picking things up and putting them back, and the supermarkets have pretty much taken loose fruit and veg and baked goods off the shelves and packaged them for this very reason. And in my local supermarket everyone is given disposable gloves and sanitiser at the door. Supermarkets are manageable if sensible precautions are taken and some people are going to have to visit them because there simply isn't enough capacity in the online delivery fleets to deliver to 24m households even every two weeks.

Our local tescos is one in one out, everything else is as usual.

 

[Deebs]

See amendment - posts coming faster than I can type.

Tell me that's not a joke.

That's better. I agree they need to step it up. Undone my facepalm you scouse cunt Do not make me do it again as it was painful.

 

[DaGaffer]

Seriously? You believe that the UK Government has only test 2000 people in total so far since the start of this virus outbreak?

2000 NHS staff apparently. Out of 1.3 million.

 

[Deebs]

2000 NHS staff apparently. Out of 1.3 million.

Yeh @Scouse corrected his statement to reflect NHS staff which I also corrected to state they have more than 500,000 staff.

Still it is ridiculous. Stop testing anyone who does not work or is receiving care in a hospital right now. Concentrate on those within a hospital or a health/care worker isolated at home.

 

[DaGaffer]

Our local tescos is one in one out, everything else is as usual.

Then don't go to your Tescos. We have two supermarkets in lockdown range (a Dunnes and a Lidl) and the Dunnes is meticulous, the Lidl less so (although its enforcing distancing it isn't forcing gloves or sanitiser), so I just use the Dunnes, even if it is more expensive.

Missus has just been told she has to take a pay cut for the duration. Not happened to me yet but if this carries on it to May we might look back on a pay cut as a small mercy.

 

[Embattle]

Should they be doing more testing = Yes
Are they willfully not doing testing = No

Hopefully in about a years time once this all over the results, errors, etc. will come out and fingers crossed all governments will learn and create a proper action plan for a inevitable future virus. Like realising what a pandemic does to a heavily integrated world when countries start locking up their supplies from being exported, how a just in time world hits the buffers badly, how doing emergency tests actually require proper emergency plans afterwards, etc.

Still people being inconsiderate arseholes, my mum had someone practically cough in her ear the other day in the supermarket and then her friend who works in on a Tesco's checkout in London had a woman start arguing with her when she was asked to stand behind the line on the floor twice. In the later case the woman(customer) got very rude to her and made her upset but she got support from her manager and a customer behind with the woman and her friend eventually being thrown out.

 

[Bodhi]

Yeh @Scouse corrected his statement to reflect NHS staff which I also corrected to state they have more than 500,000 staff.

Still it is ridiculous. Stop testing anyone who does not work or is receiving care in a hospital right now. Concentrate on those within a hospital or a health/care worker isolated at home.

I agree with prioritizing those self isolating at home, so they can return to the front line - but in terms of front line staff I can see some issues. For eg you test a nurse before her shift, and she's clear - awesome. But do you test again when she's finished her shift? If not how do you know whether she picked it up on that shift or not?

That's also assuming test results are available immediately, which from what I have read they are not - more like 1 - 2 days.

 

[Deebs]

I agree with prioritizing those self isolating at home, so they can return to the front line - but in terms of front line staff I can see some issues. For eg you test a nurse before her shift, and she's clear - awesome. But do you test again when she's finished her shift? If not how do you know whether she picked it up on that shift or not?

That's also assuming test results are available immediately, which from what I have read they are not - more like 1 - 2 days.

I know it is hard but the hysterical and MSM want testing for have I got it right now to be done.

The only viable and worthwhile testing is the antibody testing now in my opinion.

My other issue which seems to be what this Union has become is to criticize and put down (like it is going out of fashion) everything the Government is doing. Apart from maybe South Korea no other Government has performed well. Yeh they all fucked up somewhere but as a citizen of your country help support and get through this, then start the bitching.

If the Government declares a Military/Police curfew tomorrow to enforce social distancing I cannot comprehend how may people will moan or launch legal battles.

They offered a common sense approach to social distancing and were slated for it, if they go to the next level they will get slated for it.

 

[MYstIC G]

Is it supposed to be different in here with @Job on time out, because I'm not seeing it...