Politics Coronavirus

[Bodhi]

Nah, think I'll stick around.

You really should wipe up after you've done that - it isn't terribly hygenic.

 

[caLLous]

Of course there are procedures employees can follow to complain but the gov advice (remember, today's Tory vs. Everybody Who is Capable of Critical Thinking row started because of overcrowding on public transport) is to avoid public transport *where possible*. They're not shutting it down, they're saying don't use it unless you *have to*. What if an employee's only way of getting to work is via public transport but they don't feel like they want to take the risk but their Bad Company (TM) employer says "lol I need you to come in, man up and get on the bus"? Where is a complaint about that scenario going to lead? Does a non-furloughed employee have the right to tell their boss they won't be coming in or will that employee end up on statutory sick pay or sacked?

Also social distancing at work, these are guidelines that have been set out and wanged up on a website. Are there going to be inspections? Random spot checks? It looks like they're going to do something to extend Health and Safety to include COVID-19 bits but what's the bet we start seeing stories of overcrowding at work and lack of PPE and no staggered shift times and all the rest of it.

 

[Job]

Im not really sold on this testing.
A relative on the wifes side in his 80s gets the shits and a fever.
They take him in.
Tested..no covid, tests positive for gastro.
Sent home...72hrs later gets a call, weve re analysed the sample, you have got covid, how do you feel?

Fine...

Well self isolate for 2 weeks.

My wifes in her 80s with diabetes.

Oh..well keep an eye on her.

Hmmmmmm

 

[BloodOmen]

Don't worry! we have social distancing, it'll save us all.

 

[Yoni]

Are you either an infectious disease specialist OR an HR specialist with a detailed knowledge of employment law?

Ok I guess you are neither so you are in no place to criticise any company encouraging their staff back to work given that it is done in the correct way with distancing and thoughts surrounding transportation. Believe it or not even the UK is not 100% full of retarded managing directors who are going to behave like asshats - most of the big companies employ HR specialists in employement law whose JOB it is to ensure the safety of their employees and most reputable companies will adhere - how do I know this because I work for an organisation who values their reputation as to most very large organisations and the weekly email that is sent out to all employees is the same - your health comes first - I do not believe that my mother company (one of the top 500 companies in the world) is the only one not willing to risk their reputation either.

 

[Yoni]

Don't worry! we have social distancing, it'll save us all.

This is retarded humans not companies or government

 

[Yoni]

Yup Doris who works in the knicker factory or Derek that drives a forklift in a warehouse they are well up for that.
"Boss I want to make a complaint or I'm calling Piers Morgan"

"Fuck off you're sacked"

Edit: You need to get out more and smell the roses.

Do you actually think that companies are allowed to behave in that way?

 

[Yoni]

Of course there are procedures employees can follow to complain but the gov advice (remember, today's Tory vs. Everybody Who is Capable of Critical Thinking row started because of overcrowding on public transport) is to avoid public transport *where possible*. They're not shutting it down, they're saying don't use it unless you *have to*. What if an employee's only way of getting to work is via public transport but they don't feel like they want to take the risk but their Bad Company (TM) employer says "lol I need you to come in, man up and get on the bus"? Where is a complaint about that scenario going to lead? Does a non-furloughed employee have the right to tell their boss they won't be coming in or will that employee end up on statutory sick pay or sacked?

Also social distancing at work, these are guidelines that have been set out and wanged up on a website. Are there going to be inspections? Random spot checks? It looks like they're going to do something to extend Health and Safety to include COVID-19 bits but what's the bet we start seeing stories of overcrowding at work and lack of PPE and no staggered shift times and all the rest of it.

Well in the real world employees who can only get to work by public transport continue to stay home and be paid by the government (the scheme is current until October in the UK).

 

[~Yuckfou~]

This is retarded humans not companies or government

Who would not be there had they not been told to go to work when they only have public transport to rely on.

Do you actually think that companies are allowed to behave in that way?

Allowed? No.
Do they? Absofuckinglutely. Which is shown by the fact that people are complaining, you did understand that part didn't you?

 

[Yoni]

Who would not be there had they not been told to go to work when they only have public transport to rely on.



Allowed? No.
Do they? Absofuckinglutely. Which is shown by the fact that people are complaining, you did understand that part didn't you?

How many give me statistics please? or is it someone from the daily star, mail , express insert other very shitty paper?

 

[Yoni]

I have to wonder if it is boring in Spain, France and Wales because all I see is three middle aged / old men who live in glass houses throwing stones, none of which appear to have any experience or detailed knowledge - but insist that not only the UK government but now UK organisations are shit...... just unbelievable

 

[dysfunction]

Just going to the garden centre

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I have to wonder if it is boring in Spain, France and Wales because all I see is three middle aged / old men who live in glass houses throwing stones, none of which appear to have any experience or detailed knowledge - but insist that not only the UK government but now UK organisations are shit...... just unbelievable

All I see is a middle aged/old woman who thinks she is better than others. You've been given loads of evidence during the coarse of today alone. If you choose to ignore it then that's your fault.

 

[Yoni]

I haven’t seen any evidence though ..... I have seen some retarded humans getting off a bus....

 

[Job]

People going to jobs they need in the only way they can because theyre not eligible for free money like everyone else.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I forgot to mention yes it's boring, we are still in lockdown.

 

[Embattle]

I see Remdesivir is getting a production boost, beyond that initial trial has any one else seen any more trials?

 

[caLLous]

Ok I guess you are neither so you are in no place to criticise any company encouraging their staff back to work given that it is done in the correct way with distancing and thoughts surrounding transportation. Believe it or not even the UK is not 100% full of retarded managing directors who are going to behave like asshats - most of the big companies employ HR specialists in employement law whose JOB it is to ensure the safety of their employees and most reputable companies will adhere - how do I know this because I work for an organisation who values their reputation as to most very large organisations and the weekly email that is sent out to all employees is the same - your health comes first - I do not believe that my mother company (one of the top 500 companies in the world) is the only one willing to risk their reputation either.

Honestly the snotty tone of your question barely warrants a response but no I'm not either of those things. However, I can read and the advice from the Government's employment advice portal which describes furloughing as a written agreement between employer and employee.

Nobody is saying the UK is "100% full of retarded managing directors who are going to behave like asshats" - where did you get that idea? And who says we're talking about big companies? You've made assumptions and gone off and had an argument with yourself. It sounds like you have your lovely experiences working in a big company and are refusing to accept that that's not how it is for everybody. Why is the concept that there are wanker bosses out there who care more about the bottom line than anything else so unimaginable to you? Of course big companies will comply but what about the smaller companies or the tiny companies?

Do you actually think that companies are allowed to behave in that way?

How naive can you get?

I pasted a question from somebody who works for a removals firm earlier...

I have been asked to go back to work next Monday. I have asthma and work as a removal man. There will be around four of us and it is impossible to stay two metres apart.

I have been told I will be on sick pay, not furloughed, if i don't come in. I can't afford to live on sick pay as I have a mortgage to pay. I feel pressured to go in and it does not feel right.

Note that he says that it's impossible to socially distance while he works and that his employer told him he is not furloughed.

The response (from someone called Marianna who seems to be a Finance writer for the Telegraph):

If you have a letter from the Government saying you are considered vulnerable because of your asthma, you should not have to go into work. However your employer will then only pay you statutory sick pay. You could take a three-month break from your mortgage payments, although interest will be charged during that time. You could also apply for benefits such as Universal Credit or Job Seeker’s Allowance (JSA).

Even if he's officially considered vulnerable, if his employer wants him to work and he refuses he will get statutory sick pay (£~85 a week) and nothing more.

I haven’t seen any evidence though ..... I have seen some retarded humans getting off a bus....

They're retarded because they've been told to go to work and public transport is their only way of getting there? Fucking hell. How unpleasant are you?

 

[Bodhi]

All I see is a middle aged/old woman who thinks she is better than others. You've been given loads of evidence during the coarse of today alone. If you choose to ignore it then that's your fault.

Loads of evidence? One letter to The Telegraph and a Sky News story referring to a completely different issue?

Overwhelming! All companies are clearly assholes.

Or it could be a bit like saying all doctors are murderers based on Harold Shipman.

 

[caLLous]

What's with the Tories and @Yoni repeatedly arguing against an argument that nobody else even mentioned? Who is even talking about "all companies" apart from the Tories and @Yoni?

If I have a box of apples and there are a couple of bad ones in it, are all the apples good, bad or are the vast majority of them good but there are a couple of bad ones in there too? I feel like this is pretty elementary stuff.

 

[Scouse]

Luckily trains are only 2% of journeys cos theyre shit

... outside the commuter belt...like Liverpool where they were invented....not so much.

10%. So you're only out by a factor of five. Keep on making things up though eh. Don't break the habit

And Liverpool has a much higher rate of rail journey use than most of the UK outside of London. Because the tube and rail system in Liverpool is useful.

 

[Scouse]

Do you actually think that companies are allowed to behave in that way?

Do you actually believe that companies don't?

Not everyone works at a top 500 company @Yoni. Maybe if you had a less middle-class job you'd find the world works very differently.

 

[Scouse]

I have to wonder if it is boring in Spain, France and Wales because all I see is three middle aged / old men who live in glass houses throwing stones, none of which appear to have any experience or detailed knowledge - but insist that not only the UK government but now UK organisations are shit...... just unbelievable

I'll avoid the pissing contest if you do...

 

[Scouse]

What's with the Tories and @Yoni repeatedly arguing against an argument that nobody else even mentioned? Who is even talking about "all companies" apart from the Tories and @Yoni?

If I have a box of apples and there are a couple of bad ones in it, are all the apples good, bad or are the vast majority of them good but there are a couple of bad ones in there too? I feel like this is pretty elementary stuff.

Like they don't want to deal with the real world, they don't want to deal with the argument put in front of them - and consistently point at other things and go "look at this"...

 

[Bodhi]

10%. So you're only out by a factor of five. Keep on making things up though eh. Don't break the habit

And Liverpool has a much higher rate of rail journey use than most of the UK outside of London. Because the tube and rail system in Liverpool is useful.

No. It's because all the cars have been stolen.

 

[Bodhi]

What's with the Tories and @Yoni repeatedly arguing against an argument that nobody else even mentioned? Who is even talking about "all companies" apart from the Tories and @Yoni?

If I have a box of apples and there are a couple of bad ones in it, are all the apples good, bad or are the vast majority of them good but there are a couple of bad ones in there too? I feel like this is pretty elementary stuff.

Probably because your post is the first time in the entire discussion I've seen any concessions given that good apples exist. Pretty sure that's been mine and @Yoni point all along, so if that's your current position, I now wonder what the point of the last two pages was?

 

[Scouse]

Probably because your post is the first time in the entire discussion I've seen any concessions given that good apples exist.

It didn't need stating because it's fucking obvious and it was never the argument. I actually pointed that out - so just because @caLLous or @~Yuckfou~ didn't bring that up explicitly - I did.

And, at no point have you "conceded" the other.

Pretty sure that's been mine and @Yoni point all along

Yes. Yes it was. And it's pure deflection. Nothing more.

Zero legs to stand on @Bodhi. Many people feel forced to go to work, to disregard social distancing, for fear of their jobs.

 

[caLLous]

No. It's because all the cars have been stolen.

I thought the underground would be so popular because they could get around without having to look at Liverpool.

 

[Yoni]

I know there are people working in Spain

Do you actually believe that companies don't?

Not everyone works at a top 500 company @Yoni. Maybe if you had a less middle-class job you'd find the world works very differently.

You know as well as I do that I started my life on the shop floor of a factory, so please fuck off I am fully aware how life works

 

[Yoni]

It didn't need stating because it's fucking obvious and it was never the argument. I actually pointed that out - so just because @caLLous or @~Yuckfou~ didn't bring that up explicitly - I did.

And, at no point have you "conceded" the other.


Yes. Yes it was. And it's pure deflection. Nothing more.

Zero legs to stand on @Bodhi. Many people feel forced to go to work, to disregard social distancing, for fear of their jobs.

statistics please