Politics Coronavirus

[Scouse]

I don't understand it. If we're wrong, why not explain clearly how it really is?

Warrants a funny?

Why are you so scared of explaining your thinking?

 

[Scouse]

Public transport is *rammed* on every city I've ever been to at rush hour @Bodhi.

The fact that some people aren't affected (you) doesn't mean it's not a very serious problem.

The fact many people feel coerced (and don't just feel it - are coerced) is disgusting in a civilized society.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Warrants a funny?

Why are you so scared of explaining your thinking?

Because there isn't any.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Public transport is *rammed* on every city I've ever been to at rush hour @Bodhi.

The fact that some people aren't affected (you) doesn't mean it's not a very serious problem.

The fact many people feel coerced (and don't just feel it - are coerced) is disgusting in a civilized society.

Coronavirus: Hundreds of firms suspected of pressuring furloughed staff to work

 

[Bodhi]

Coronavirus: Hundreds of firms suspected of pressuring furloughed staff to work

Conflating two different issues there, that article is talking about asking furloughed staff to still come in - which is shocking (and fraudulent) I'll quite happily admit. However for the rest of the morning we've been discussing work starting up again properly which a large proportion of society are quite keen to do. If an employer is taking the piss then there are plenty of avenues for complaint - the local council, the HSE and the media would all be interested to hear of employers flouting the rules.

And yes @Scouse I'm well aware that Public Transport in cities gets quite busy when everyone's trying to use it - but at the moment numbers are still way down, around 45% of usual capacity. Strikes me that if the bus and tube operators (both TFL in London and private companies elsewhere) put some more services on, there would be more possibility to keep your distance from others. And we aren't talking about the majority of the population as you claim - remember, 80% of workers in the UK don't use public transport to get to work.

 

[Scouse]

at the moment numbers are still way down, around 45% of usual capacity.

There's capacity for 10%. So we're 4-5x over-subscribed already.

That 10% figure was from the Transport Secretary. He repeated it today.

Strikes me that if the bus and tube operators (both TFL in London and private companies elsewhere) put some more services on...

Tube is running at maximum capacity.

And we aren't talking about the majority of the population as you claim

I've not claimed that anywhere other than in your head.

remember, 80% of workers in the UK don't use public transport to get to work.

That's irrelevant to this conversation - which is about people who DO have to use public transport.

OFC, that's something that other people have pointed out:

That's all wonderful but we're clearly talking about crowded public transport. I'm sure everybody would love to go back to work but if they *rely* on public transport to get there (as in they have no other means of getting to and from work) or if their employer hasn't put proper social distancing in place, why should they feel like they have to take the risk or risk losing their jobs or being forced to take statutory sick pay?

Which you're steadfastly blinkered about. As usual.


And of course, when people get to work - social distancing in place?

If I ever have to go into the office maintaining social distancing would be impossible unless only 20% of the workforce turned up. And that's in a nice, safe, spacious office environment. It's not like that for millions.

And you know it.

 

[Yoni]

Why? He talks shit all the time.

So do you recently oO however Job was on a rant about lack of preparedness...

 

[Yoni]

Because they've been told to go to work and feel they have no choice - on fear of being sacked.

That is not 100% true though is it?

 

[Yoni]

You can facepalm all you like @Embattle - but go look at the papers - journo's are asking that question and those are the answers people are giving.

Unless you're calling them all liars?

I mean not everyone works at a good company...

Not everyone works for a bad company either so you are also generalising

 

[Yoni]

Conflating two different issues there, that article is talking about asking furloughed staff to still come in - which is shocking (and fraudulent) I'll quite happily admit. However for the rest of the morning we've been discussing work starting up again properly which a large proportion of society are quite keen to do. If an employer is taking the piss then there are plenty of avenues for complaint - the local council, the HSE and the media would all be interested to hear of employers flouting the rules.

And yes @Scouse I'm well aware that Public Transport in cities gets quite busy when everyone's trying to use it - but at the moment numbers are still way down, around 45% of usual capacity. Strikes me that if the bus and tube operators (both TFL in London and private companies elsewhere) put some more services on, there would be more possibility to keep your distance from others. And we aren't talking about the majority of the population as you claim - remember, 80% of workers in the UK don't use public transport to get to work.

I think it would also be interesting to know how many people are using public transport in London when many have two good feet and can walk - maybe they should implement rules stating that unless you have a disability sticker you cant use public transport if you work within walking distance (somewhere between 3 and 5 km)

 

[Yoni]

There's capacity for 10%. So we're 4-5x over-subscribed already.

That 10% figure was from the Transport Secretary. He repeated it today.


Tube is running at maximum capacity.



I've not claimed that anywhere other than in your head.


That's irrelevant to this conversation - which is about people who DO have to use public transport.

OFC, that's something that other people have pointed out:


Which you're steadfastly blinkered about. As usual.


And of course, when people get to work - social distancing in place?

If I ever have to go into the office maintaining social distancing would be impossible unless only 20% of the workforce turned up. And that's in a nice, safe, spacious office environment. It's not like that for millions.

And you know it.

No one who generally works backoffice needs to go to work - we are at 50% and have been since the start of this crisis and there is plenty of social distancing. The only people who MAY need to go in to work are people who can not work from home. Those who have no option but to use public transport should remain furloughed and if organisations want people back so desperatly they should start to look at transport themselves if there are individuals coming from similar areas or suburbs.

 

[caLLous]

Those who have no option but to use public transport should remain furloughed and if organisations want people back so desperatly they should start to look at transport themselves if there are individuals coming from similar areas or suburbs.

Yes they should, shouldn't they?

Furloughing is an agreement between employer and employee. If the employer decides that they're open for business again and they need people to come in and those people can't come in, they are not furloughed. At best they will get statutory sick pay.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

PMQs was mostly about Coronavirus as to be expected. Starmer impresses more in opposition the more I see of him, which does not mean I'd vote for him btw. Boris didn't answer many of the questions and lied, again.
He's been called on it by Labour.



Sky News: LIVE: Starmer challenges PM on 'unexplained' 10,000 deaths in care homes

 

[Scouse]

Not everyone works for a bad company either so you are also generalising

"Good companies exist - therefore we'll ignore the fact that bad companies definitely do exist".

So weird. So very very weird.

 

[Scouse]

No one who generally works backoffice needs to go to work - we are at 50% and have been since the start of this crisis and there is plenty of social distancing. The only people who MAY need to go in to work are people who can not work from home. Those who have no option but to use public transport should remain furloughed and if organisations want people back so desperatly they should start to look at transport themselves if there are individuals coming from similar areas or suburbs.

FFS Yoni - what companies should do and what some companies ARE doing are two different things.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Yoni]

Yes they should, shouldn't they?

Furloughing is an agreement between employer and employee. If the employer decides that they're open for business again and they need people to come in and those people can't come in, they are not furloughed. At best they will get statutory sick pay.

Are you either an infectious disease specialist OR an HR specialist with a detailed knowledge of employment law?

 

[Yoni]

FFS Yoni - what companies should do and what some companies ARE doing are two different things.

Ffs Scouse many many companies are working correctly in the UK.....

 

[Yoni]

"Good companies exist - therefore we'll ignore the fact that bad companies definitely do exist".

So weird. So very very weird.

I am sorry but this is such crooked thinking - if a company is not complying then there are mechanisms to deal with this or are ALL citizens of the UK children who are unable to report issues of non compliance?

 

[Yoni]

@Embattle I understand your responses so much more....oO

Rrpeating the same level of drivel will neither change my viewpoint or mean any of you are correct or more importantly know what you are talking about, so please stop pretending you are or you do - it makes you look silly

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Coronavirus: Hundreds of firms suspected of pressuring furloughed staff to work

People are starting to report it, see? Many though don't know how or are frightened to.
Not everyone works for Ace Corp.

I am sorry but this is such crooked thinking - if a company is not complying then there are mechanisms to deal with this or are ALL citizens of the UK children who are unable to report issues of non compliance?

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[caLLous]

And the Obnoxious Sentence of the Year award goes to...

Rrpeating the same level of drivel will neither change my viewpoint or mean any of you are correct or more importantly know what you are talking about, so please stop pretending you are or you do - it makes you look silly

 

[Bodhi]

I am sorry but this is such crooked thinking - if a company is not complying then there are mechanisms to deal with this or are ALL citizens of the UK children who are unable to report issues of non compliance?

There are, if you are uncomfortable with conditions in the workplace post-COVID, you can raise a complaint with either Local Government , the Health and Safety Executive (who never miss an opportunity to don a Hivis vest and clipboard), or if you are having no joy there, you can go to the media. Most companies won't be too keen for any media spotlight in the current circumstances, so it's a fairly powerful tool.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

And the Obnoxious Sentence of the Year award goes to...

She's right and we are wrong, look she told us.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

There are, if you are uncomfortable with conditions in the workplace post-COVID, you can raise a complaint with either Local Government , the Health and Safety Executive (who never miss an opportunity to don a Hivis vest and clipboard), or if you are having no joy there, you can go to the media. Most companies won't be too keen for any media spotlight in the current circumstances, so it's a fairly powerful tool.

Yup Doris who works in the knicker factory or Derek that drives a forklift in a warehouse they are well up for that.
"Boss I want to make a complaint or I'm calling Piers Morgan"

"Fuck off you're sacked"

Edit: You need to get out more and smell the roses.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

You really are a pair of morons.

 

[Bodhi]

You really are a pair of morons.

What for disagreeing with you, and pointing out that the article you posted doesn't actually have anything to do with what we're discussing?

Says more about you than anyone else here. Throw in wishing death on people you disagree with politically, you really aren't making yourself look too clever. Maybe go and have a walk and a cool off eh?

 

[~Yuckfou~]

What for disagreeing with you, and pointing out that the article you posted doesn't actually have anything to do with what we're discussing?

Says more about you than anyone else here. Throw in wishing death on people you disagree with politically, you really aren't making yourself look too clever. Maybe go and have a walk and a cool off eh?

Nah, think I'll stick around.

 

[Job]

Luckily trains are only 2% of journeys cos theyre shit.

Probably 99% or summit in London, outside the commuter belt...like Liverpool where they were invented....not so much.
We have this silly thing called affordable space for car parks..