Politics Coronavirus

[Scouse]

22 Bame doctors dead and only 1 white.

Jezus fucking christ

Link.

 

[caLLous]

None of our Tories going to say anything about the glaringly obvious spinning and rigging that took place to get to 100k "tests" in a day (wink wink), magically on the deadline for when they set the target? They haven't built a solid base of testing, they spunked everything into hitting a target on one day to save Hancock from getting a bit of egg on his face and the numbers have gone to shit since. Even with maximum spin they're not coming close...

Now Johnson is talking about 200k a day by the end of May but surprise surprise, he's talking about testing capacity, not actual tests. Capacity means bollock-all if you're not getting out there and actually doing the tests to get close to capacity.

As for your question earlier @Deebs, it's shit like this. And the fact that no other country that I can think of has a leader who boasted about shaking hands with COVID-19 sufferers on the day that SAGE said "stop shaking hands". How many other governments do we know of that have had so many ministers/advisers/scientists test positive or have the symptoms? Johnson, Hancock, Cummings, Whitty, Ferguson, Gove (although I think he was self-isolating because someone in his family had it)...

 

[Embattle]

Certainly ironic you talk about Matt Hancock doing everything to avoid getting a bit of egg on his face then continue to pound the government on the same target.

To me they should have targets but I don't like them making such a song and dance about it.

 

[caLLous]

Certainly ironic you talk about Matt Hancock doing everything to avoid getting a bit of egg on his face then continue to pound the government on the same target.

To me they should have targets but I don't like them making such a song and dance about it.

Targets are great. Putting all of their energy into hitting those targets to the detriment of the actual testing effort is less great.

If you can see that you're not going to hit a target, you either put your hands up and say "look chaps, I'm sorry, we're not going to make it but we're fucking trying, ok?" or you do what the Tories did and scurry around, changing rules and sending out a shitload of testing kits just so they can be added to the count for a specific day to make it look like they achieved their target.

 

[Job]

Link.

Well its a mail article..but its just a deeper look into Dianne Abbots statement that 16 out of 17 doctors who died from covid were bame and they have their names.

So it seems legit.

Concerns grow over 'disproportionate impact' of coronavirus on BAME community | Daily Mail Online

 

[caLLous]

Closing down criticism: No.10's campaign to silence the outrage over covid

 

[Job]

Worrying ideas of permanent changes based on soci distancing rather than simply improving lifestyle.

Widening pavements by shops so people can queue outside.
Wtf.
London cycling could increase tenfold after lockdown, says TfL

 

[Jupitus]

My mum has dementia, brain damage, is pre-diabetic and wayyyy overweight.

If she gets a sniff of coronavirus she won't make it. Period.

Because of the way she now is, rational conversation cannot influence her action, never mind overrule a nicotine addiction.

So yes, bollocking, including a raised voice and choice swearwords she *really* doesn't like.

She now waits for her fags like a good little spastic.

There ain't no other way to manage the situation, unfortunately. I make it up to her by talking her on nightly zoom walks.

We collectively (4 siblings) told my Dad off on a zoom chat for not being great with the social distancing and shopping too much.

3 days later he had a stroke.

Thankfully he's recovering very well and almost back to his usual self.

 

[Scouse]

That sucks @Jupitus - but don't blame yourselves. If he was due a stroke then it was going to happen. And if he'd contracted covid then, with the underlying condition of potential stroke, could have been very serious.

I think you clearly collectively did the right thing.

 

[Embattle]

Coronavirus PPE: all 400,000 gowns flown from Turkey for NHS fail UK standards

 

[Yoni]

Old employee now friend from my time managing an SSC NL lost both mum and brother in the space of the last two weeks :/

 

[Job]

Coronavirus PPE: all 400,000 gowns flown from Turkey for NHS fail UK standards

The arms too short.
Thankgod the NHS management dont run a real company

 

[Scouse]

The arms too short.
Thankgod the NHS management dont run a real company

Link to statement about arm length. And NHS's fault why?

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Link to statement about arm length. And NHS's fault why?

I was under the impression that these were procured by the government? They certainly made a big deal about sending the RAF on a special mission to pick them up.

 

[Wij]

I was under the impression that these were procured by the government? They certainly made a big deal about sending the RAF on a special mission to pick them up.

Who was actually responsible for the purchase is beside the point. If they were good the government will take the credit. If they were bad the NHS will take the blame. Simples

 

[Wij]

Fullfacts breakdown of the deaths.
14% are unlikely to be covid and heart disease deaths are down 26%

The comment that 'without the stats this death toll would be invisible'..says it all about perception.

What we know, and what we don’t, about the true coronavirus death toll

Um - not invisible :/


View: https://twitter.com/EdzardErnst/status/1258311988112998400

 

[dysfunction]

Um - not invisible :/


View: https://twitter.com/EdzardErnst/status/1258311988112998400

Ah you popping @Job little bubble he keeps creating for himself.

 

[Yoni]

The Economists missing deaths analysis is also
Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

 

[Job]

Hmmm you showed the graphs that are the only way we can grasp the situation to disprove my point that the graphs are the only way we can grasp the situation.

 

[Wij]

Hmmm you showed the graphs that are the only way we can grasp the situation to disprove my point that the graphs are the only way we can grasp the situation.

I wasn't trying to disprove. Just querying why does that equal invisible?

 

[Job]

Link to statement about arm length. And NHS's fault why?

Its in a telegraph article

A spokesman for the Department of Health would not reveal exactly what was wrong with the equipment, but senior NHS sources suggested problems had been found with the type of material used and the length of the sleeves.

Link if you have access.

Exclusive: All 400,000 PPE gowns from Turkey found to be 'useless'

 

[Job]

I wasn't trying to disprove. Just querying why does that equal invisible?

Because the death toll isnt hugely greater than the flu and if there werent charts, no one would notice in the general public without the stats.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Kay Burley (who I can't stand) ripping Brandon Lewis a new one. Lewis in not answering the question shocker.

Coronavirus: PPE shipment flown in from Turkey fails UK safety standards

 

[Job]

It was more of a media story anyway.

It was only a few hours worth of protection.
Bit of a non event, but good to have a laugh at.

 

[Wij]

It was more of a media story anyway.

It was only a few hours worth of protection.
Bit of a non event, but good to have a laugh at.

As Ms Burley pointed out, it was the government who made a big hoohaa about the shipment in the first place.

 

[caLLous]

The earlier article even said that the DHSC advised the government not to say anything (presumably in case of this exact outcome or the exact outcome where it was delayed x times) and they went ahead and did it anyway.

 

[Moriath]

My family in indiana and its removal of lock down. By the 24th may you can have gatherings of 100ppl and it increases from there.

i cant see how this is a good thing.

 

[Job]

The media just dont want to praise...pointlessly obviously....the US for their very low death rate so far.

More interested in ramming home our total deaths and calling us the sick man of Europe.

Where as this is our actual death rate vs population...doesnt make clickbait headlines though.

 

[Yoni]

The earlier article even said that the DHSC advised the government not to say anything (presumably in case of this exact outcome or the exact outcome where it was delayed x times) and they went ahead and did it anyway.

Probably because they were being put under huge amounts of pressure on this topic by the good old British press.... They shouldn’t have risen to the occasion by bragging

For me one of the biggest mistakes this government is making throughout the crisis is over-promising and under delivering or failing to deliver.

In my country of residence there have been big challenges in testing and PPE and when pushed the PHA answer when they have the capacity and when the goods have arrived and been checked. No numbers no peacocking just straight answers - and when a shitload of CE equipment arrived that was not fit for use it was reported no hoohar.

 

[Yoni]

The media just dont want to praise...pointlessly obviously....the US for their very low death rate so far.

More interested in ramming home our total deaths and calling us the sick man of Europe.

Where as this is our actual death rate vs population...doesnt make clickbait headlines though.

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Sorry Job too many reasons to list as to why you can not use that compare- please stop