Politics Coronavirus

[Bodhi]

View: https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1253013387203796998?s=19

 

[caLLous]

Air-conditioning spread the coronavirus to 9 people sitting near an infected person in a restaurant, researchers say. It has huge implications for the service industry.

 

[Moriath]

The room under my stairs is amazing. So much wildlife.

Also found a new game. Go into the loft and walk across the rafters without falling through the ceiling.

I sleep in my loft. I guess i could crawl into the eaves.

 

[Bodhi]

French researchers to test nicotine patches on coronavirus patients | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian

“Our cross-sectional study strongly suggests that those who smoke every day are much less likely to develop a symptomatic or severe infection with Sars-CoV-2 compared with the general population,” the Pitié-Salpêtrière report authors wrote.

“The effect is significant. It divides the risk by five for ambulatory patients and by four for those admitted to hospital. We rarely see this in medicine,” it added.

 

[Moriath]

Air-conditioning spread the coronavirus to 9 people sitting near an infected person in a restaurant, researchers say. It has huge implications for the service industry.

That would be obvious i would have thought. Any air recirculation system. Hotels, offices, airplanes

 

[Jupitus]

I sleep in my loft. I guess i could crawl into the eaves.

Just watch out for the Killing Eve.

./coat

 

[Tuthmes]

But how does that work cause most of the roads don't have guard posts and such any more do they? Have they suddenly posted guards on every border. Or just said to the population if they wouldn't mind awfully not driving down the road over there for a while?

Border guards are back, provincial roads blocked (containers) No valid reason to go through, you get send home.

 

[Wij]

Look, I know the scheme hasn’t amounted to much so far but this lying/incompetence is ridiculous:

UK still not in EU coronavirus equipment help scheme despite health secretary's claim

 

[caLLous]

Downing Street under fire after refusing to guarantee independent inquiry into coronavirus crisis

Let's go back to those posters who said they were sure questions would be asked and that we should let the dust settle before holding the government to account.

 

[Scouse]

Carpet > Brush.

Just the way we like it: Continue to vote Tory, guilt-free.

 

[Yoni]

Whats happened to the free travel zone in europe? I wondering how they handled in law the closing of boarders in that zone.

Greece is looking to open late July to some countries.

 

[Bodhi]

View: https://twitter.com/ChuckIOM/status/1253008879576891394?s=20


Thought you would be interested, considering I suspect the media will probably ignore this.

 

[Deebs]

View: https://twitter.com/ChuckIOM/status/1253008879576891394?s=20


Thought you would be interested, considering I suspect the media will probably ignore this.

Much like the following website:

Every UK manufacturer helping to produce PPE and equipment for NHS workers - The Manufacturer

 

[Bodhi]

Much like the following website:

Every UK manufacturer helping to produce PPE and equipment for NHS workers - The Manufacturer

Yep, and about those companies that were allegedly on hand to assist and getting no response from the NHS - Guido has done some digging:

https://order-order.com/2020/04/22/rachel-reeves-sends-government-wild-ppe-goose-chase/

I can see why some of those offers were ignored tbh. Sadly even in a situation like this, it looks like the usual chancers and frauds were trying to get in on the act. That's why the NHS use approved suppliers, to stop shit like this happening.

 

[Talivar]

I think half the problem is both the media and government atleast appear to lack the ability to research as most of the problems come from misinformation and ignoring of information on both sides. Surely both sides could afford to hire people to make sure they have all the facts, or more of the facts atleast. Until they do then both sides will keep saying things that are not accurate and the other side will just pick up on it.

 

[Deebs]

Yep, and about those companies that were allegedly on hand to assist and getting no response from the NHS - Guido has done some digging:

https://order-order.com/2020/04/22/rachel-reeves-sends-government-wild-ppe-goose-chase/

I can see why some of those offers were ignored tbh. Sadly even in a situation like this, it looks like the usual chancers and frauds were trying to get in on the act. That's why the NHS use approved suppliers, to stop shit like this happening.

To be fair it is common sense. You don't hand over shitloads of money without due diligence to ensure the Company is legit and able to supply the goods to the proper standard.

It’s not true that any PPE is better than no PPE - The Manufacturer

 

[Bodhi]

Much like the following website:

Every UK manufacturer helping to produce PPE and equipment for NHS workers - The Manufacturer

Interesting, two of our customers are on that list

 

[Deebs]

Interesting, two of our customers are on that list

The information about what they are making and the quantity is nice to read as well.

 

[Scouse]

The information about what they are making and the quantity is nice to read as well.

Manufacturer says one thing, scientists say another...

 

[Deebs]

Manufacturer says one thing, scientists say another...

What the fuck? The link provides a list of standards that the BSI says must be adhered to before using PPE in a health area. If they fail then they are not safe to use.

Fuck me. Tell you what I can sell you a spacesuit with holes in it. Not up to full standards but it should be ok.

 

[caLLous]

To be fair it is common sense. You don't hand over shitloads of money without due diligence to ensure the Company is legit and able to supply the goods to the proper standard.

No-deal Brexit ferry contract scrapped

 

[Bodhi]

Manufacturer says one thing, scientists say another...

See I felt bad the other day for suggesting you fuck off after I'd had a bottle and a half of red.

Now, not so much. In fact I'm tempted to add in a few suggestions of just how you can fuck off. Not sure why you're so keen to belittle companies that have stepped up to help the national effort?

 

[Deebs]

No-deal Brexit ferry contract scrapped

Look I know you hate the Tories, Brexit and pretty much anything else that is not to your liking but fuck me, every fucking Govt has made cockups, even those who are not known as the Tories.

The bigger issue is would you trust your life to a shady startup who claims to be able to make regulation standard PPE? No didn't think so.

 

[Deebs]

See I felt bad the other day for suggesting you fuck off after I'd had a bottle and a half of red.

Now, not so much. In fact I'm tempted to add in a few suggestions of just how you can fuck off. Not sure why you're so keen to belittle companies that have stepped up to help the national effort?

They cannot then knock the Government and relish in the negativity.

 

[Scouse]

What the fuck? The link provides a list of standards that the BSI says must be adhered to before using PPE in a health area. If they fail then they are not safe to use.

Fuck me. Tell you what I can sell you a spacesuit with holes in it. Not up to full standards but it should be ok.

Follow the argument please.

Scientists have said SHIT PPE > NO PPE.

Yes shit PPE is dangerous. Yes, we'd all prefer all PPE to be manufactured to BSI standards and all the wanky procurement procedures to work right now, but they're not.

In the meantime, doctors and nurses lack access to proper PPE. And to reiterate what the scientists have said:

SHIT PPE > NO PPE

Not me. I didn't say that. Scientists did.

End of really. The fact that standards exist (and for very good reasons that I agree with) doesn't matter. Because in the absence of PPE scientists say grabbing an old t-shirt and sewing it together with some kitchen roll and elastic for your ears is better than fucking nothing.

This isn't anti-tory, or some principled rant, it's a re-statement of scientific guidance.

SHIT PPE > NO PPE.

So buy the shit stuff. It's better than nothing.

 

[Bodhi]

Follow the argument please.

Scientists have said SHIT PPE > NO PPE.

Yes shit PPE is dangerous. Yes, we'd all prefer all PPE to be manufactured to BSI standards and all the wanky procurement procedures to work right now, but they're not.

In the meantime, doctors and nurses lack access to proper PPE. And to reiterate what the scientists have said:

SHIT PPE > NO PPE

Not me. I didn't say that. Scientists did.

End of really. The fact that standards exist (and for very good reasons that I agree with) doesn't matter. Because in the absence of PPE scientists say grabbing an old t-shirt and sewing it together with some kitchen roll and elastic for your ears is better than fucking nothing.

This isn't anti-tory, or some principled rant, it's a re-statement of scientific guidance.

SHIT PPE > NO PPE.

So buy the shit stuff. It's better than nothing.

For the 17th time, that is advice for the General Public, not frontline healthcare workers. Otherwise why would the Dutch send back 600,000 masks that were no use to their healthcare workers?

Unless you're suggesting ICU nurses just use fucking scarves instead?

Jesus.

 

[Bodhi]

Anyway, just to try to move on from blaming the Tories for a worldwide PPE shortage, thought I'd tell you a little personal experience of CV-19 and what we are dealing with.

Some of you may be aware, by my Nan is currently 98 years old. At the beginning of 2019 she had a fall and it became clear she couldn't look after herself, so had to either get a home carer or we had to put her in a home. She wouldn't accept a home carer or the work that had to be done to her home to make it safe for her, so we had to put her in a local home. Since then she has started to deteriorate, mentally, with concerns she may have to be moved to another home specialising in dementia.

Anyway since this has all kicked off apparently she has started to seriously go downhill. She is only briefly lucid, but spends the rest of the time away with the fairies, or going for walks with my Aunt Ethel who passed away 10 years ago. We have been in constant contact with the home, who reported their first CV-19 case last week, and the latest update is that they have sadly passed on, and there are two more identified cases. However the update also mentioned that they had lost another number of residents, which they were at pains to point out did not have CV-19.

Now, given that since this has all kicked off my Nan has gone seriously downhill, I wonder how many of these excess care home deaths are due to not the disease, but the panic and inability to see their family members, mean that they are effectively "giving up". Most of the residents in my Nan's home are 100+....

 

[Yoni]

Follow the argument please.

Scientists have said SHIT PPE > NO PPE.

Yes shit PPE is dangerous. Yes, we'd all prefer all PPE to be manufactured to BSI standards and all the wanky procurement procedures to work right now, but they're not.

In the meantime, doctors and nurses lack access to proper PPE. And to reiterate what the scientists have said:

SHIT PPE > NO PPE

Not me. I didn't say that. Scientists did.

End of really. The fact that standards exist (and for very good reasons that I agree with) doesn't matter. Because in the absence of PPE scientists say grabbing an old t-shirt and sewing it together with some kitchen roll and elastic for your ears is better than fucking nothing.

This isn't anti-tory, or some principled rant, it's a re-statement of scientific guidance.

SHIT PPE > NO PPE.

So buy the shit stuff. It's better than nothing.

Sorry but no you have constantly chosen the rhetoric that is most anti government through most of this thread.

If the government were to tell medical professionals to use sub standard PPE as it is better than no PPE the you would be here ranting again so for me at the moment I have stopped reading your posts as they seemed to have lost objectivity. Remember please I am not a Tory.

 

[Yoni]

Anyway, just to try to move on from blaming the Tories for a worldwide PPE shortage, thought I'd tell you a little personal experience of CV-19 and what we are dealing with.

Some of you may be aware, by my Nan is currently 98 years old. At the beginning of 2019 she had a fall and it became clear she couldn't look after herself, so had to either get a home carer or we had to put her in a home. She wouldn't accept a home carer or the work that had to be done to her home to make it safe for her, so we had to put her in a local home. Since then she has started to deteriorate, mentally, with concerns she may have to be moved to another home specialising in dementia.

Anyway since this has all kicked off apparently she has started to seriously go downhill. She is only briefly lucid, but spends the rest of the time away with the fairies, or going for walks with my Aunt Ethel who passed away 10 years ago. We have been in constant contact with the home, who reported their first CV-19 case last week, and the latest update is that they have sadly passed on, and there are two more identified cases. However the update also mentioned that they had lost another number of residents, which they were at pains to point out did not have CV-19.

Now, given that since this has all kicked off my Nan has gone seriously downhill, I wonder how many of these excess care home deaths are due to not the disease, but the panic and inability to see their family members, mean that they are effectively "giving up". Most of the residents in my Nan's home are 100+....

My colleagues father in law is in the same boat (in Sweden) he was so confused and upset that he couldn’t see his son and couldn’t understand why. I believe the phone calls were very distressing :/.

 

[Yoni]

Facepalm me all you like @Scouse - you have lost perspective.