Politics Coronavirus

[Ormorof]

Checking ours we are at 126/100k, which is about where it's hovered since late December - we had our big wave during the November lockdown ironically enough, been very quiet since then. There was an outbreak in my Nan's nursing home a couple of weeks ago, but as everyone had their Pfizer vaccine there were only 2 cases, both asymptomatic. so looking good round here.

Interesting that you mention how the various regions are getting on within Sweden - from data I've seen there seems to be a large element of areas that got hit hard in March/April doing much better this time round, yet regions like Skane that were reasonably quiet last time have been hit fairly hard - to me that shows Tegnell got it mostly right, despite out of context quotes from the Swedish king. Although in the case of Skane it probably doesn't help having that big bridge for easy transport to Denmark, as they've been clobbered this time round. Would be interesting to see the comparitive infection rates between Skane and Copenhagen however.

Shame Sweden had the issues they did with nursing homes really, that's the only real black mark against the response that I can see from over here.

Theres been videos throughout the year of danes breaking quarantine to party in Malmö, seems absurd to try to restrict flights but not the relatively short trip across the bridge

 

[Embattle]

26 per 100k here.

The holiday thing is slightly irritating, why do people keep thinking going abroad is a smart thing to do this year.

 

[Yoni]

They are not going aborad.... instead they are going north where medical facilities are sparse.... I was hoping that they would close the slopes.... no such luck

 

[Yoni]

I am forever thankful that my mum is on the Isle of Man as she is 82.... she had a hospital stay in August due to heart failure and did not catch CV19. They used their opportunity as an Island well by taking tough measures at the start.. they have lived pretty freely for the most part except for the last 5 or 6 weeks where they have been a little stricter.

 

[Bodhi]

26 per 100k here.

The holiday thing is slightly irritating, why do people keep thinking going abroad is a smart thing to do this year.

Because of course, going on holiday is the only reason to travel abroad.

 

[Raven]

True, some people still live in 2010 and still need face to face meetings.

 

[Embattle]

Because of course, going on holiday is the only reason to travel abroad.

No it isn't but plenty of people are only talking about it in the form of a holiday, or using the business excuse as cover for a holiday.

 

[Ormorof]

Fingers crossed all is OK m8.

Spoke to a mate from Uni last night. His wife picked it up from kids in school before christmas. She's now suffering from some neuropathy - she can't feel her feet or lower legs and her hands are really numb.

I don't know about the mental health effects of lockdown but physical and memtal health affects of the thousands who've survived covid aren't to be dismissed.

So far it's not been too bad, kids have no symptoms so mostly its been games and movies to keep them busy while rest of us rest.

 

[Raven]

Thinking I might go for a test tomorrow. Been coughing for days and put it down to inhaling dust when sanding, but feeling absolutely exhausted too. Don't feel ill as such though but I usually only sleep for around 5 hours a night and been smashing 8-9 for the last few nights.

 

[Scouse]

Thinking I might go for a test tomorrow. Been coughing for days and put it down to inhaling dust when sanding, but feeling absolutely exhausted too. Don't feel ill as such though but I usually only sleep for around 5 hours a night and been smashing 8-9 for the last few nights.

Do it.

 

[Embattle]

Thinking I might go for a test tomorrow. Been coughing for days and put it down to inhaling dust when sanding, but feeling absolutely exhausted too. Don't feel ill as such though but I usually only sleep for around 5 hours a night and been smashing 8-9 for the last few nights.

Worth doing not only for yourself but for others as well.

 

[Raven]

Booked a test for tomorrow, it took 10+ minutes on the website. Utter shit, how many people just get bored and give up. I was expecting them to ask my inside leg measurement.

Should be, have symptoms no, go to no, yes, go to book a slot at test centre.

 

[Gwadien]

Booked a test for tomorrow, it took 10+ minutes on the website. Utter shit, how many people just get bored and give up. I was expecting them to ask my inside leg measurement.

Should be, have symptoms no, go to no, yes, go to book a slot at test centre.

I thought the same when I applied for mine.

Although most government website services seem to be designed to try and put people off using their services, in a weird questioning way and because their website are utter shit (yet I'd imagine someone out there is stinking rich off it).

 

[Tay]

OK, just off the top of my head:

- Herd Immunity was never a "strategy" in Sweden, which Tegnell and Gisecke have clarified in multiple interviews since this all started - their strategy was to look at Public Health as a whole and try to keep as much of the country running as possible, whilst ensuring the peaks stayed somewhere below the available health care capacity. Other than a couple of concerns in December, they seem to have done that pretty well.

- Also, saying "Herd Immunity" is a strategy for ending a pandemic is like saying "Gravity" is a strategy for landing a plane, as there's just a little bit more to it than that. Herd Immunity is how all pandemics have ended since the beginning of time, what's being discussed is how we get there, whilst hopefully ignoring the idiots who suggest it can be eradicated.

- Lots of thought was given to care homes in Sweden, and that is the one area where we can say they failed - like every other Western Nation just about. Sweden's move to big commerical care homes has come back to bite them there, and is more than likely to be the reason why Sweden got so badly hit compared to their neighbours - well that and the fact Sweden is a very different country in outlook to Norway and Finland anyway.

- If UK adherance to guidelines was so terrible, we wouldn't be on our third lockdown now where infections peaked several days before we locked down.

- And as Yoni mentions, the Swedish strategy hasn't changed at all, other than a limit of 4 on groups in bars and restaurants.

So pretty much all wrong. I was going to suggest at least you got Tegnell's name right, but doesn't even look like you managed that. Must try harder.

Anders "Tegnell" has talked about herd immunity going back to March 2020 in numerous interviews and articles, interviews at the Cambridge union debates, interviews where he talked about herd immunity starting to work, a plethora of material on youtube involving him directly and quoting him, interviews with the daily show where he talks about the levels of herd immunity in Stockholm where its reaching 20-25% herd immunity.

The herd immunity has been an inherent part of the strategy, this was reiterated in papers by The Lancet, BMJ, Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, the Sage Journals, there is far too many to cite and frankly I cant be arsed, all by highly respected organisations in and outside of Sweden.

Sweden chose a path of limited interaction and social acceptance of the guidelines, relying on herd immunity, not too dissimilar to the UK but the UK only mentioned that a few times early on.

UK adherence to lockdowns was and still is terrible, just look at the numerous 100+ people parties broken up weekly in this country, you cannot in good conscience state anything to the contrary, the reason they have seen moderate success in Sweden as I stated is because it was socially accepted there, the people chose to WFH, limit numbers at gatherings, they did this for the most part off their own back. The brits seem to spend inordinate amounts of times trying to figure out ways around it.

As for Sweden not changing: the FT Jan 8th
"The government this week proposed an emergency law that would allow it to lock down large parts of society; the first recommended use of face masks came into force; and the authorities gave schools the option to close for pupils older than 13 — all changes to its strategy to combat the pandemic."

So, all of it correct, despite your rather feeble and derisory attempt to belittle my comments.

Lastly, if you are going to criticise a spelling mistake of mine you better learn to spell commercial and adherence !

 

[Bodhi]

True, some people still live in 2010 and still need face to face meetings.

Bit hard to work offshore on an oil rig via Zoom. Also, given our sizeable immigrant population, do you not think a few people might have family abroad they want to see, possibly urgently?

But no, let's shut the borders hard, nothing in or out. That will stop the new variants which have appeared in....*checks notes*....Kent, Bristol and Liverpool.

Guess I shouldn't still be shocked at the complete and utter empathy bypass from the House Arrest Enthusiasts, but fucking hell.

 

[Raven]

Bit hard to work offshore on an oil rig via Zoom. Also, given our sizeable immigrant population, do you not think a few people might have family abroad they want to see, possibly urgently?

But no, let's shut the borders hard, nothing in or out. That will stop the new variants which have appeared in....*checks notes*....Kent, Bristol and Liverpool.

Guess I shouldn't still be shocked at the complete and utter empathy bypass from the House Arrest Enthusiasts, but fucking hell.

I have family in the UK I would quite like to see, urgently. What's your point?

Also, classic whataboutery with oil platforms. What have they got to do with jetting off here there any everywhere "To urgently see family or whatevz lolz"

 

[Ormorof]

As those of us who are not living in same country has shared repeatedly, yes its fucking hard not being able to see family. Using us as an excuse for your own laissez-faire approach to this global pandemic is pathetic

Being on an oil rig is not the same as travelling abroad for a jolly holiday or a meeting in an office, using an extreme example that affects a small group of workers (who i guess will have an exemption for this anyway) is absurd

 

[Raven]

Anyway, test done. Pretty painless, will wait and see.

 

[Bodhi]

Anders "Tegnell" has talked about herd immunity going back to March 2020 in numerous interviews and articles, interviews at the Cambridge union debates, interviews where he talked about herd immunity starting to work, a plethora of material on youtube involving him directly and quoting him, interviews with the daily show where he talks about the levels of herd immunity in Stockholm where its reaching 20-25% herd immunity.

The herd immunity has been an inherent part of the strategy, this was reiterated in papers by The Lancet, BMJ, Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, the Sage Journals, there is far too many to cite and frankly I cant be arsed, all by highly respected organisations in and outside of Sweden.

Sweden chose a path of limited interaction and social acceptance of the guidelines, relying on herd immunity, not too dissimilar to the UK but the UK only mentioned that a few times early on.

UK adherence to lockdowns was and still is terrible, just look at the numerous 100+ people parties broken up weekly in this country, you cannot in good conscience state anything to the contrary, the reason they have seen moderate success in Sweden as I stated is because it was socially accepted there, the people chose to WFH, limit numbers at gatherings, they did this for the most part off their own back. The brits seem to spend inordinate amounts of times trying to figure out ways around it.

As for Sweden not changing: the FT Jan 8th
"The government this week proposed an emergency law that would allow it to lock down large parts of society; the first recommended use of face masks came into force; and the authorities gave schools the option to close for pupils older than 13 — all changes to its strategy to combat the pandemic."

So, all of it correct, despite your rather feeble and derisory attempt to belittle my comments.

Lastly, if you are going to criticise a spelling mistake of mine you better learn to spell commercial and adherence !

You can double down all you want chap, but all you've done is prove again how poor your understanding of the topics at hand are. You've even had someone who lives in Sweden calling out your bullshit, and yet you carry on like a demented parrot.

I could post the SAGE research which shows adherance to the rules in the UK is over 90%, or point out that if these gatherings are making the news then they probably aren't that common - otherwise they wouldn't be news, but you'll just ignore that as usual so I shan't bother.

So in summary, you're still wrong.

 

[Ormorof]

Anyway, test done. Pretty painless, will wait and see.

Did you do a drive through one or inside one?

I got to do a drive through one this time and was much better all round

 

[Raven]

Did you do a drive through one or inside one?

I got to do a drive through one this time and was much better all round

It was a drive through just outside of town, all very well organised.

Wasn't that busy which is a good sign. My symptoms haven't got any worse so just putting it down to dust inhalation and exhaustion after taking a break from work but better safe than sorry.

 

[Bodhi]

I have family in the UK I would quite like to see, urgently. What's your point?

Also, classic whataboutery with oil platforms. What have they got to do with jetting off here there any everywhere "To urgently see family or whatevz lolz"

If you have to give care to a vulnerable family member, or if they are seriously ill and unlikely to recover, you can still go and see them within the rules. People with family abroad, say I dunno, that Portuguese nurse that looked after Boris when he was ill, do not have that option. That to me is actual cruelty tbh, especially when all these scary variants we are trying to avoid are turning up in the UK anyway.

And oil platforms are just an example - working abroad where your presence is required is not rare in the slightest, but hey, let's make that as difficult as possible shall we?

 

[Bodhi]

Oh and on testing, we are being told that the Mad Saffer variant is in the local area and we should go get tested. As I am not currently ill, I'll pass thanks.

 

[Raven]

You're just flapping now.

 

[Yoni]

You can double down all you want chap, but all you've done is prove again how poor your understanding of the topics at hand are. You've even had someone who lives in Sweden calling out your bullshit, and yet you carry on like a demented parrot.

I could post the SAGE research which shows adherance to the rules in the UK is over 90%, or point out that if these gatherings are making the news then they probably aren't that common - otherwise they wouldn't be news, but you'll just ignore that as usual so I shan't bother.

So in summary, you're still wrong.

I would not bother answering... it is Scouse mk2 and one is enough so I just used the ignore button... so far not having to read his drivvel has not affected the flow of any thread.

 

[Tom]

I see that Job has been banned. Hopefully permanently, he's the reason I stopped posting here.

In other news, fuck Covid and fuck anyone who doubts its severity on human health and economic wellbeing.

 

[Scouse]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Lo @Tom. How's tricks?

You keeping Covid free? How's the recumbent?

 

[Embattle]

I see that Job has been banned. Hopefully permanently, he's the reason I stopped posting here.

In other news, fuck Covid and fuck anyone who doubts its severity on human health and economic wellbeing.

Did you enjoy your 2 year break?

 

[Jupitus]

I see that Job has been banned. Hopefully permanently, he's the reason I stopped posting here.

In other news, fuck Covid and fuck anyone who doubts its severity on human health and economic wellbeing.

TOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!!! Yay!!!!

 

[Moriath]

Police 'outnumbered' by Middlesbrough and Newcastle sledging crowds

Cleveland Police says large crowds take a lot of resources to disperse and are "hugely frustrating".

www.bbc.co.uk

people are shite