Politics Coronavirus

[Deebs]

Um. Playing politics in crisis time:


View: https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1243143276133261316

Techincally he is correct. We left the EU and are in a transition stage. Your point? Again trying to link the pandemic to Brexit.

 

[Bodhi]

I’m not. I’m questioning poor decision making that could cost lives caused by bad politics.

You have been pretty much all the way through this thread?

Anyway being part of an EU wide purchasing group won't help us as much as speed of delivery, which our friends in Brussels aren't too good at.

 

[Yoni]

And you think the licensed manufacturers are just sitting on their arses? They are more than likely maxed out with no more capacity. The Government has also asked car manufacturers/F1 teams to help with making kit. They are unlicensed.

It is simply another dig at bringing Brexit into the pandemic and frankly is fucking disgusting.

No it’s not Brexit is over - these suppliers have more capacity.

 

[Yoni]

Techincally he is correct. We left the EU and are in a transition stage. Your point? Again trying to link the pandemic to Brexit.

Hang on it is a confirmation from no10. It is no10 who has decided not to be part of an EU initiative. Please can you stop assuming that questioning the governments motives is about Brexit - for me it is not.

 

[Wij]

You have been pretty much all the way through this thread?

Anyway being part of an EU wide purchasing group won't help us as much as speed of delivery, which our friends in Brussels aren't too good at.

That wasn't the reason given though. If they'd said that I wouldn't have posted it. The reason was 'no because Brexit'. Not me saying that. 'Government spokesperson'.

 

[Deebs]

No it’s not Brexit is over - these suppliers have more capacity.

Sigh, if they have more capactity then why are all governments around the world asking NON-licenced manufacturers to work on making ventilators? Dyson got picked out by virtue the owner is a Brexiteer.

 

[Job]

you didn't actually answer the question

If they are just going to put it in my account..splendid.
I doubt I'll get anything with a pension and money in the bank.

 

[Yoni]

Sigh, if they have more capactity then why are all governments around the world asking NON-licenced manufacturers to work on making ventilators? Dyson got picked out by virtue the owner is a Brexiteer.

I am not aware of the owners politics as I said Brexit is done / not interesting what is is why BJ is using not being part of Europe which as you correctly have stated is not technically true to not be part of a European initiative during a crisis... odd no?

 

[Deebs]

I am not aware of the owners politics as I said Brexit is done / not interesting what is is why BJ is using not being part of Europe which as you correctly have stated is not technically true to not be part of a European initiative during a crisis... odd no?

History will judge him and how the Government acted. Personally I think we should have joined the initiative at the EUs invite. At the moment the only reason we have is from a spokesperson. There maybe other reasons/conditions attached to the invite. Anyway, everyone should be doing everything possible to help all of us through this. When we get to the other side the world is going to be very different.

 

[Yoni]

History will judge him and how the Government acted. Personally I think we should have joined the initiative at the EUs invite. At the moment the only reason we have is from a spokesperson. There maybe other reasons/conditions attached to the invite. Anyway, everyone should be doing everything possible to help all of us through this. When we get to the other side the world is going to be very different.

History will judge how all governments behaved during this. No one can disagree with your last two sentences.

 

[Jupitus]

I'm sure plenty of tech firms can produce safe ventilators... it's not rocket science:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqRgISFuE0k&t=0s

 

[Deebs]

So at the G20 summit today the UK was identified as the largest contributor to finding a vaccine giving £210 million.

 

[Scouse]

Techincally he is correct. We left the EU and are in a transition stage. Your point? Again trying to link the pandemic to Brexit.

Disagree.

The important thing is getting product in as fast as possible. If that means pitching in with EU friends, regardless of whether we're members or not, thst's what we should do.

If America has a programme to get 'em quicker then we should get in there too - and nobody would complain.

In a crisis - People, not Politics.

It's Brexiters that are stopping us doing the right thing. "We're not part of the EU". Who gives a fuck.

Oh. Brexiters, that's who. Killing health workers because they have a non-cooperation stick up their arse then blaming remainers when they point that fact out.

 

[Deebs]

Under this lockdown wonder if it is possible to get out and fix all the potholes using a 1 person per vehicle and performing a conveyor belt system? ie. first person prepares hole to be filled, when done they move on, 2nd person fills and packs hole with tarmac (or whatever it is they use).

It is the ideal time

 

[Deebs]

Disagree.

The important thing is getting product in as fast as possible. If that means pitching in with EU friends, regardless of whether we're members or not, thst's what we should do.

If America has a programme to get 'em quicker then we should get in there too - and nobody would complain.

In a crisis - People, not Politics.

It's Brexiters that are stopping us doing the right thing. "We're not part of the EU". Who gives a fuck.

Oh. Brexiters, that's who. Killing health workers because they have a non-cooperation stick up their arse then blaming remainers when they point that fact out.

Actually I said we should have done it. If you read my messages I have been saying the exact same thing, fuck politics and scoring points at this time.

Tho you have to be careful where you buy stuff from. Was reading that most of what China/Russia have shipped overseas simply does not fucking work.

 

[Embattle]

The basic issue is supply and demand, the major issue in this is it's a pandemic.

 

[Scouse]

I know you did @Deebs - but @Wij wasn't scoring points. He was pointing out our government said no because Brexit.

Not wanting to speak for @Wij but I daresay he's on the same page as you and me here. - we just want to get shit done.

But Brexit is absolutely the reason shit ain't getting done. As announced by our government.

It's a bit off to have a pop at Wij for "political points scoring" when he's simply expressing frustration with a 100% accurate assessment of the situation.

 

[Deebs]

I know you did @Deebs - but @Wij wasn't scoring points. He was pointing out our government said no because Brexit.

Not wanting to speak for @Wij but I daresay he's on the same page as you and me here. - we just want to get shit done.

But Brexit is absolutely the reason shit ain't getting done. As announced by our government.

It's a bit off to have a pop at Wij for "political points scoring" when he's simply expressing frustration with a 100% accurate assessment of the situation.

No no no. Sorry my point was not aimed at him in the slightest, was more a rant over the shit on twitter. If I have offended @Wij then I apologise.

Like you I just want people to stop fucking trying to score points with politics and get working together whatever your alignment is to fix and solve this worldwide crisis.

I get absolutely raging when I see videos of our key workers crying or saying they need PPE. My employer was asked if we could offer our supply of PPE but were told no as we are key workers supporting CNI like telecoms, the national grid, supply and generation. Christ I want to join the NHS volunteer service but as I an now listed as a key worker supporting the management platforms which supply telecoms for Blue Light services and CNI I don't think I can afford to take the risk. It fucks me right off.

 

[Scouse]

Under this lockdown wonder if it is possible to get out and fix all the potholes using a 1 person per vehicle and performing a conveyor belt system? ie. first person prepares hole to be filled, when done they move on, 2nd person fills and packs hole with tarmac (or whatever it is they use).

It is the ideal time

This is a great idea.

Road closures should be easy.

 

[Deebs]

I mean look at how politics can have a massive influence on this pandemic, tRump and the USA esp NYC. Drop all of it, fuck Brexit, fuck elections, fuck it all. Work together and solve it. Once done you can go back to your political fighting.

Over 500,000 worldwide now infected, NYC reporting a 40% rise in hospital patients. It is absolutely fucking terrifying.

 

[Job]

Derbyshire Police using drones to catch people walking in the mountains.

I mean really, its not even clear thats not allowed, obviously people driving great distances isnt on.

But they are letting people come in from Spain and Italy unchecked on flights and the Police are showing off they can find you in the middle of nowhere with exactly zero chance of causing a problem.

Coronavirus UK: Police checkpoints stop non-essential journeys | Daily Mail Online

 

[Deebs]

Derbyshire Police using drones to catch people walking in the mountains.

I mean really, its not even clear thats not allowed, obviously people driving great distances isnt on.

But they are letting people come in from Spain and Italy unchecked on flights and the Police are dhowing off they can find you in the middle of nowhere with exactly zero chance of causing a problem.

Coronavirus UK: Police checkpoints stop non-essential journeys | Daily Mail Online

Well for a start your source is the Daily Fail.

 

[Wij]

No no no. Sorry my point was not aimed at him in the slightest, was more a rant over the shit on twitter. If I have offended @Wij then I apologise.

Like you I just want people to stop fucking trying to score points with politics and get working together whatever your alignment is to fix and solve this worldwide crisis.

I get absolutely raging when I see videos of our key workers crying or saying they need PPE. My employer was asked if we could offer our supply of PPE but were told no as we are key workers supporting CNI like telecoms, the national grid, supply and generation. Christ I want to join the NHS volunteer service but as I an now listed as a key worker supporting the management platforms which supply telecoms for Blue Light services and CNI I don't think I can afford to take the risk. It fucks me right off.

Not offended. Panic over

 

[Scouse]

I mean look at how politics can have a massive influence on this pandemic, tRump and the USA esp NYC. Drop all of it, fuck Brexit, fuck elections, fuck it all. Work together and solve it. Once done you can go back to your political fighting.

Over 500,000 worldwide now infected, NYC reporting a 40% rise in hospital patients. It is absolutely fucking terrifying.

I love the sentiment and 100% agree with you - but the reality is we signed up to this when we voted the way we did.

Politics is personal. It's not some esoteric non-event - if people vote for Brexit then our rulers are duty-bound to reflect the will of those people as expressed it at the ballot box.

We strongly expressed non-cooperation with the EU. We did that. Our government is not going to ignore that - or they can pick-and-choose what else to ignore.

So, whilst I agree with your sentiment, in many ways political points-scoring should intensify during a crisis - because politics and politicians run the whole shebang as an expression of the will of the people. And "I told you so" is a precursor to "remember when you..." at the next election - hopefully in an effort to get people to change the way they voted.

Brexit is isolationist. It was pointed out before the election that Isolationism comes with dangers - especially when dealing with regional and global threats - like global warming and, well what a fucking turnup, global pandemics.

We are less secure apart.

 

[Job]

Well for a start your source is the Daily Fail.

Good for you, now just comment on the article.

 

[Deebs]

Sorry, had to post this as I just received it and it made me shed tears of laughter in this dark time.

Now back to being serious.....

 

[Job]

I love the sentiment and 100% agree with you - but the reality is we signed up to this when we voted the way we did.

Politics is personal. It's not some esoteric non-event - if people vote for Brexit then our rulers are duty-bound to reflect the will of those people as expressed it at the ballot box.

We strongly expressed non-cooperation with the EU. We did that. Our government is not going to ignore that - or they can pick-and-choose what else to ignore.

So, whilst I agree with your sentiment, in many ways political points-scoring should intensify during a crisis - because politics and politicians run the whole shebang as an expression of the will of the people. And "I told you so" is a precursor to "remember when you..." at the next election - hopefully in an effort to get people to change the way they voted.

Brexit is isolationist. It was pointed out before the election that Isolationism comes with dangers - especially when dealing with regional and global threats - like global warming and, well what a fucking turnup, global pandemics.

We are less secure apart.

Nope..even the Guardian admits the EU have fucked this up and the single currency is now under huge pressure after failing miserably to even out Europe.

The EU is at crunch point now

 

[Deebs]

I love the sentiment and 100% agree with you - but the reality is we signed up to this when we voted the way we did.

Politics is personal. It's not some esoteric non-event - if people vote for Brexit then our rulers are duty-bound to reflect the will of those people as expressed it at the ballot box.

We strongly expressed non-cooperation with the EU. We did that. Our government is not going to ignore that - or they can pick-and-choose what else to ignore.

So, whilst I agree with your sentiment, in many ways political points-scoring should intensify during a crisis - because politics and politicians run the whole shebang as an expression of the will of the people. And "I told you so" is a precursor to "remember when you..." at the next election - hopefully in an effort to get people to change the way they voted.

Brexit is isolationist. It was pointed out before the election that Isolationism comes with dangers - especially when dealing with regional and global threats - like global warming and, well what a fucking turnup, global pandemics.

We are less secure apart.

But during an issue like this you drop all that. Look at WW1 and WW2. Regardless of our relationships with each other we worked together to solve a crisis. This is no different, Brexit or not. That is my point.

 

[Job]

How about the Daily Star?

Coronavirus latest news: Police get new powers to arrest lockdown flouters and double fines

 

[Deebs]

How about the Daily Star?

Coronavirus latest news: Police get new powers to arrest lockdown flouters and double fines

FFS. Another rag not even worthy to be used to wipe your arse with. I am glad the police have the power to do this. It stops the spread.