Politics Coronavirus

[Job]

Its descending into farce, with WHO basically admitting political pressure changed their mask advice.

And now its revealed that you wont need to wear a mask in the gym next week.

With studies claiming exercise breathing can fill a room with the virus.

What is the evidence to support the 2-metre social distancing rule to reduce COVID-19 transmission? | The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

www.cebm.net

 

[caLLous]

Face Masks Really Do Matter. The Scientific Evidence Is Growing.

Face masks are emerging as one of the most powerful weapons to fight the novel coronavirus, with growing evidence that facial coverings help prevent transmission—even if an infected wearer is in close contact with others.

www.wsj.com

 

[Scouse]

‘Junk food is the new tobacco’: experts call for restrictions to tackle obesity

Scientists and health campaigners want bans on outlets near schools and an advertising watershed

www.theguardian.com

 

[Raven]

I had a McDonalds the other day, not had one in years but plans had been torpedoed and I was out and starving.

Was fucking grim, really don't see why people habitually go there. Dry, tasteless burger, overly salted chips and watery coke.

 

[Moriath]

‘Junk food is the new tobacco’: experts call for restrictions to tackle obesity

Scientists and health campaigners want bans on outlets near schools and an advertising watershed

www.theguardian.com

Yay i totally agree with @Scouse. And then off the back of junk food was born a diet industry which doesnt work either. Only to take your money. Our society is broken

 

[Scouse]

Yay i totally agree with @Scouse. And then off the back of junk food was born a diet industry which doesnt work either. Only to take your money. Our society is broken

Was reading this by Andrew Lansley - who was health secretary under the tories from 2010-2012

We must not let the government seize back control from doctors | Andrew Lansley

Boris Johnson wants to restructure the NHS. But the lesson of Covid-19 is there is not too little central power, but too much, says former health secretary Andrew Lansley

www.theguardian.com

And whilst not the main thrust his article thie following stood out:

..our centralising approach to health and wellbeing in this country has diminished individual responsibility and has played a key part in determining our poor health outcomes. In part this is a failure to tackle social issues .... In part, put bluntly, it is because British people are just too unhealthy and take too little responsibility for their own health

So whilst I agree with you about the diet industry - that only exists in the first place because people have refused to take responsibility for their own health and have already let themselves go.

Eat the right food, in the right amounts and exercise.

That's all that's needed. Period.

 

[MYstIC G]

Was reading this by Andrew Lansley - who was health secretary under the tories from 2010-2012

We must not let the government seize back control from doctors | Andrew Lansley

Boris Johnson wants to restructure the NHS. But the lesson of Covid-19 is there is not too little central power, but too much, says former health secretary Andrew Lansley

www.theguardian.com

And whilst not the main thrust his article thie following stood out:



So whilst I agree with you about the diet industry - that only exists in the first place because people have refused to take responsibility for their own health and have already let themselves go.

Eat the right food, in the right amounts and exercise.

That's all that's needed. Period.

Well actually the education, messaging, environment (fuel, tools, etc.) all are needed as well.

 

[Raven]

You don't need to follow a fancy diet. You just need to eat a mixed and varied diet. Meat, veg, nuts, cereals and exercise.

It's not even that difficult if you learn to cook some simple dishes. I was trained by a professional chef (my mum) so it's a piece of piss for me but anyone can follow a recipe and then adapt those recipes. It's often not that expensive either...there is no reason to eat stuff out of a cardboard box.

 

[Moriath]

Was reading this by Andrew Lansley - who was health secretary under the tories from 2010-2012

We must not let the government seize back control from doctors | Andrew Lansley

Boris Johnson wants to restructure the NHS. But the lesson of Covid-19 is there is not too little central power, but too much, says former health secretary Andrew Lansley

www.theguardian.com

And whilst not the main thrust his article thie following stood out:



So whilst I agree with you about the diet industry - that only exists in the first place because people have refused to take responsibility for their own health and have already let themselves go.

Eat the right food, in the right amounts and exercise.

That's all that's needed. Period.

Theres been fancy fad diets for ages and still we have an obesity epidemic. So they dont work and make a shit ton of money while they dont work.

The purpose of food companies is to make money for their share holders. Therefore they want to shift the most product they can. Therefore they develop the tastiest products possible. They dont care what the availability of high fat and sugar foods on every street corner do as long as they are making more and more money.

at every turn capitalism doesnt work. It creates more exploits and demands the companies push stuff that is appealing but not healthy because thats how they make the ‘value’ they sell. Find a cheap food add sugar or fat to it market it as exclusive of deluxe and rinse and repeat while everyone is consuming too much.

@Scouse no one has ever argued that more moving and less calories = fitter population.

 

[Scouse]

@Scouse no one has ever argued that more moving and less calories = fitter population.

Just checking. Is this a typo?

The rest of the waffle is irrelevant. You don't need a diet industry if you take personal responsibility for what you put in your own body.

 

[MYstIC G]

You don't need to follow a fancy diet. You just need to eat a mixed and varied diet. Meat, veg, nuts, cereals and exercise.

It's not even that difficult if you learn to cook some simple dishes. I was trained by a professional chef (my mum) so it's a piece of piss for me but anyone can follow a recipe and then adapt those recipes. It's often not that expensive either...there is no reason to eat stuff out of a cardboard box.

So education...

Well actually the education, messaging, environment (fuel, tools, etc.) all are needed as well.

... yep, got that one.

When you get to things like fuel poverty let me know

 

[Moriath]

Just checking. Is this a typo?

The rest of the waffle is irrelevant. You don't need a diet industry if you take personal responsibility for what you put in your own body.

The thing is that as a human we are animals. Animals are programmed to eat when food is plentiful incase of shortages.

and the companies know this and use all sorts of psychological and unconscious manipulation to sell as much of their stuff as possible.

now if people like @Scouse were more of the rule rather than the exception when it comes to food and exercise i would agree with him more. However, thats not the case.

and with poor being obese as well as rich you can see its not just those who can afford more food who are getting fat. A supermarket is a bombardment of sales Manipulation from when you enter to leave. Or even before with tv ads and such.

yes ofcourse each person is in control of what they put in their mouth. But that control is manipulated and targeted at ever corner or every street of every town in the western world. Individuals are at war with companies competing to entice them to eat more than they need.

thats why you are a sanctimonious twat when you talk about this stuff.

People need protecting from an industry who doesnt care how they damage lives just that the share holders are happy.

 

[Raven]

I'm not sure stuffing poor quality meat full of salt and water and wrapping it in breadcrumbs has anything to do with times of plenty. People are lazy, and poorly educated when it comes to food. I'm not even sure fuel poverty has anything to do with it either, they still have to go to a shop to buy processed crap or fresh stuff and often the processed crap costs more than fresh anyway.

Tastes like shit, has limited nutritional value and is expensive. I am not sure what level of marketing would make me buy that garbage, I certainly wouldn't feed it to my kids (If I was to ever have them)

The McDonalds I had the other day cost me £6, I could do two decent, healthy meals for 2, 2 days running for that. Madness.

 

[Scouse]

Help me help me I'm helpless in the face of horrible advertising and I just can't help myself!

Treat me like a child that needs caring for, because I won't look after myself

FTFY

 

[Yoni]

It is not always about people not taking responsibility for what they put in to their bodies - I find the over simplification of the discussion both condescending and insulting and yes some of you are sanctimonious and ignorant twats - I do not agree with all of @Moriath ’s arguments but he is correct when he talks about complexity of issue - if it were easy then this discussion wouldn’t be an issue ....

 

[Yoni]

FTFY

@Deebs pkease can you make a non offensive cunt smilie

 

[Scouse]

@Deebs pkease can you make a non offensive cunt smilie

I've repeatedly pointed out we need reform of our obeseogenic environment.

Repeatedly. And everyone's down with that. Everyone agrees.

But @Moriath consistently denies that humans have any responsibility for their own situation.

The health secretary said this, quoted again:

put bluntly, it is because British people are just too unhealthy and take too little responsibility for their own health

And I totally agree with him.

The day I stopped whining about being fat and took personal responsibility for what I ate, regardless of what was going on about me, was absolutely a fantastic decision.

I have sympathy for people because of the environment we live in but I've got zero tolerance for people who will not take personal responsibility for themselves - like eating all that fucking food was someone else's actions.

If you can't take responsibility for yourself - and, furthermore, deny that it's your responsibility, then you're the cunt.

 

[Raven]

Sounding awfully Libertarian there @Scouse

 

[caLLous]

What does any of this have to do with COVID-19?

 

[Raven]

Diet, health, poverty, excuses.

 

[Scouse]

Sounding awfully Libertarian there @Scouse

We should sugar tax the fuck out of stuff and personally I'd like to stop companies being able to call something "food" if it isn't really.

The environment we live in is absolutely makes it really fucking hard to not get fat. Obeseogenic is the right word.

However, I've not met anyone who's successfully gone from fat bastard > proper weight without accepting that it's *all* up to them to make the right choices and stick to them.

 

[Scouse]

What does any of this have to do with COVID-19?

Bojo's threatening to do something about all the fatties because of Covid-19. And he's also threatening to re-centralise control of the NHS (when the central control was part of the issue).

 

[Moriath]

I've repeatedly pointed out we need reform of our obeseogenic environment.

Repeatedly. And everyone's down with that. Everyone agrees.

But @Moriath consistently denies that humans have any responsibility for their own situation.

The health secretary said this, quoted again:


And I totally agree with him.

The day I stopped whining about being fat and took personal responsibility for what I ate, regardless of what was going on about me, was absolutely a fantastic decision.

I have sympathy for people because of the environment we live in but I've got zero tolerance for people who will not take personal responsibility for themselves - like eating all that fucking food was someone else's actions.

If you can't take responsibility for yourself - and, furthermore, deny that it's your responsibility, then you're the cunt.

i said everyone has responsibility for what they put in their mouth. But you have a tirade of external factors as well as in built animal instincts and it only takes being a bit depressed or many other complex psychological things and you become vulnerable.

to say everyone who is fat is because they ate too much is true mostly.

but there are a lot of reasons and its not just down to will power. Just because you never had an issue. doesnt mean everyone else is the same. On this particular point you have no compassion and no insight beyond your own nose.

Mr hancock hasnt looked into the reasons why the british public are not as healthy as they should be.

but we been here time and time again. Anyone who isnt on their bike every day living in rural wales is a fat cunt who doesnt deserve to live and is getting in @Scouse way and the resources he would like but are being wasted on others Who dont deserve it.

 

[Moriath]

Any how

Hundreds gather in Hyde Park to protest against wearing masks

Hundreds of people have gathered in Hyde Park in central London to protest against wearing masks.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Raven]

Darwinism in action...on a species level. Trouble is, these stupid fucks will still mingle with the rest of us.

 

[Raven]

Coronavirus: Outbreak investigated at Motherwell contact tracing centre

An investigation is under way after six people test positive at the NHS call centre in Motherwell.

www.bbc.co.uk

I don't think lol is appropriate...but lol?

 

[BloodOmen]

Were at this level of stupid now.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaFSH0K4BdQ

Seen one of those videos before, its tragic isn't it? I cannot even begin to comprehend how someone can be that stupid.

 

[Scouse]

'I can tie my laces, I've lost a few chins': how fear of Covid-19 made me shape up

When the risks of coronavirus to an overweight, older man hit home, Robin McKie, the Observer’s science editor, took action

www.theguardian.com

...article by the guardian's science editor includes a mea culpa @Yoni, @Moriath.

 

[MYstIC G]

We should sugar tax the fuck out of stuff and personally I'd like to stop companies being able to call something "food" if it isn't really.

Yeah, that's the solve, give more money to central government to waste whilst increasing the financial burden on most vulnerable...

 

[Scouse]

Yeah, that's the solve, give more money to central government to waste whilst increasing the financial burden on most vulnerable...

This isn't just about poor people - obesity is cross-demographic.

There's good evidence that making junk food more expensive will have the desired outcomes:

The Effectiveness of Tax Policy Interventions for Reducing Excessive Alcohol Consumption and Related Harms - PMC

A systematic review of the literature to assess the effectiveness of alcohol tax policy interventions for reducing excessive alcohol consumption and related harms was conducted for the Guide to Community Preventive Services (Community Guide). ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And frankly, there are costs associated with poor health that the most vulnerable can't afford.

In the absence of banning these foods (freedom of choice!!!) the next lever is clearly financial.

Frankly - we shouldn't be eating that shit. We've had years of public health campaigns and yet 70% of our population is unhealthily fat.

Tough titties if it's nanny-statism - if the british public took personal responsibility for their own health and stopped cramming shit into their puffy, bloated maws (and that's not an 'emotive' description of Brits, but a scientifically verified one) then there wouldn't be a need for government to pull these moves anyway.